"Dream" might be semantics...but he was a manager under Coach Knight. Its not too big of a leap to think he's had many thoughts about coaching IU, in Assembly Hall, in the same places RMK coached, etc... throughout the years since he was a manager, and then navigating his coaching career.A stand-up coach doesn't have a successful first season and then make a lateral move to a conference foe. I'm not buying the whole "it's his dream job so why wouldn't he come here?" argument. Just my take on the situation.
he may not, and his knowledge of the IU job could be a huge plus, or disqualify us. But, it is a bball first school where he's likely to get better support and financial commitment from the school and backers, supposedly has easier entrance requirements (I know they wouldn't accept Caleb Love, but they've had plenty of guys that didn't strike me as academics), and also probably better NIL. Those are all big pluses if you're goal is NCs.A stand-up coach doesn't have a successful first season and then make a lateral move to a conference foe. I'm not buying the whole "it's his dream job so why wouldn't he come here?" argument. Just my take on the situation.
Larry Ellison is worth 151 billion. they will never lose a player due to NILhe may not, and his knowledge of the IU job could be a huge plus, or disqualify us. But, it is a bball first school where he's likely to get better support and financial commitment from the school and backers, supposedly has easier entrance requirements (I know they wouldn't accept Caleb Love, but they've had plenty of guys that didn't strike me as academics), and also probably better NIL. Those are all big pluses if you're goal is NCs.
I think the Dusty May window closed the moment IU decided to retain Woody after last season. If DM goes on to kill it at Michigan on a consistent basis, we can all thank the Bigfoot Brigade ... especially its leader, Quinn."Dream" might be semantics...but he was a manager under Coach Knight. Its not too big of a leap to think he's had many thoughts about coaching IU, in Assembly Hall, in the same places RMK coached, etc... throughout the years since he was a manager, and then navigating his coaching career.
Is it a big enough factor to pull him away from Michigan after 1 year? I think probably not, in and of itself. But it could be a contributing factor if there are other things in IU's favor, for him.
Does Larry pay attention, or care, about Bball?Larry Ellison is worth 151 billion. they will never lose a player due to NIL
He probably doesn't know the difference between a hockey puck and a football, but his wife doesDoes Larry pay attention, or care, about Bball?
I doubt he was contacted last year at any point, by IU. And with how the Woodson end of season, then offseason went, I doubt he felt, or feels, in any way, like he was "spurned".I think the Dusty May window closed the moment IU decided to retain Woody after last season. If DM goes on to kill it at Michigan on a consistent basis, we can all thank the Bigfoot Brigade ... especially its leader, Quinn.
was a done deal Woodson wouldn't step asideI doubt he was contacted last year at any point, by IU. And with how the Woodson end of season, then offseason went, I doubt he felt, or feels, in any way, like he was "spurned".
I'm sure he's flattered, excited, whatever new emotions would bring, if he's now being courted by Dolson for the job. He might stay at Michigan, but it won't be because he's "pissed" he didn't get the job last year.
If that wasn't your point, and you're just saying we missed on the opportunity last year on our own...then sure, maybe. But I don't think that decision permanently closed the door on May coaching at IU. If we get a different coach this time...May is young enough that he could be a candidate, at any point, in the next 10+ years too.
Yep, that's why I said "probably". 1 donor can change the entire dynamic.Larry Ellison is worth 151 billion. they will never lose a player due to NIL
DeCourcy had an interesting take on Coyle's show this week. Said the B10 tourney is in Indy and he doesn't think there's anyway UM will let May come to Indy without an extension in place to avoid all the gossip and smoke about the IU job. He thinks that's a good indicator if it's May. Makes sense to me.I find it interesting that there has still not been any news of contract extension for him at UM.
Thought that would have already been done if he was staying.
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I'm not sure what 1 year has to do with it. If anything, it would be easier to leave after one year than after you've established yourself. Especially in this open-transfer era.A stand-up coach doesn't have a successful first season and then make a lateral move to a conference foe. I'm not buying the whole "it's his dream job so why wouldn't he come here?" argument. Just my take on the situation.
Michigan has a NC and 8 Final Fours, if you count the vacated seasons (for something that would now be legal). They are definitely a place where May could have tournament success, and support comes with winning.he may not, and his knowledge of the IU job could be a huge plus, or disqualify us. But, it is a bball first school where he's likely to get better support and financial commitment from the school and backers, supposedly has easier entrance requirements (I know they wouldn't accept Caleb Love, but they've had plenty of guys that didn't strike me as academics), and also probably better NIL. Those are all big pluses if you're goal is NCs.
he may not, and his knowledge of the IU job could be a huge plus, or disqualify us. But, it is a bball first school where he's likely to get better support and financial commitment from the school and backers, supposedly has easier entrance requirements (I know they wouldn't accept Caleb Love, but they've had plenty of guys that didn't strike me as academics), and also probably better NIL. Those are all big pluses if you're goal is NCs.
I thought Caleb rejected IU because Woodson didn't know his name? Isn't that the story going around? Seriously.If i recall correctly, IU also rejected Caleb Love because of his academic record.
so why would an Illinois graduate "spend NIL money" to keep a coach at UM?Larry Ellison is worth 151 billion. they will never lose a player due to NIL
yesAnybody with knowledge on how much the buy out would cost in year one of his contract?
wife is a big Michigan fan and donor; she personally bought the #1 qb who they flipped from LSU I thinkso why would an Illinois graduate "spend NIL money" to keep a coach at UM?
So, football....wife is a big Michigan fan and donor; she personally bought the #1 qb who they flipped from LSU I think
Probably. And he probably didn't want his basketball stock to plummet.I thought Caleb rejected IU because Woodson didn't know his name? Isn't that the story going around? Seriously.
It’s not a lateral move. It’s his alma mater, and everyone in basketball, except Michigane would understand that move.A stand-up coach doesn't have a successful first season and then make a lateral move to a conference foe. I'm not buying the whole "it's his dream job so why wouldn't he come here?" argument. Just my take on the situation.
I thought they only cared about football. They already got their qb for the year.Larry Ellison is worth 151 billion. they will never lose a player due to NIL
Hmmmm haven’t heard that from anyone else.was a done deal Woodson wouldn't step aside
One could make a strong case why he'd come to IU. One could also make a strong case why he would not.It’s not a lateral move. It’s his alma mater, and everyone in basketball, except Michigane would understand that move.
Dave Portnoy helped that happen too.wife is a big Michigan fan and donor; she personally bought the #1 qb who they flipped from LSU I think
woody offered 4 more years of buyout said noHmmmm haven’t heard that from anyone else.
don't know, but would have to assume they wouldSo, football....
have they contributed for bball?
I don’t know what Dusty is thinking now, but a couple years ago when he was asked privately about the IU job he said he would not consider it because he understood the difficulty with the unreasonable expectations. I do know that he is very pleased with his situation at UM.One could make a strong case why he'd come to IU. One could also make a strong case why he would not.
Oh to be a fly on Dolson's office wall.
Although most of the college basketball world believes IU getting Dusty is probable (or at least possible), I don't think so at all. If you take away DM's IU ties, there's no reason to leave Michigan after one (successful) season. I'm sorry, but I don't think IU's pull is that strong.I don’t know what Dusty is thinking now, but a couple years ago when he was asked privately about the IU job he said he would not consider it because he understood the difficulty with the unreasonable expectations. I do know that he is very pleased with his situation at UM.
You don't think growing up 20 miles from Bloomington plays a role?Although most of the college basketball world believes IU getting Dusty is probable (or at least possible), I don't think so at all. If you take away DM's IU ties, there's no reason to leave Michigan after one (successful) season. I'm sorry, but I don't think IU's pull is that strong.
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If circumstances were different, maybe. But, by all accounts, he's a stand-up guy, and I don't think a stand-up guy would leave for a competitor after one season ... and a good one at that.You don't think growing up 20 miles from Bloomington plays a role?
And then being a student manager under RMK for 4 years?
And then working as a coordinator of sorts under RMK and Davis for a couple years?
Obviously you could be right. And it is possible his experiences at IU, and being around for the end of the RMK tenure, could have disenfranchised him with IU??
But he has A LOT of IU ties... Is his family still living near Bloomington? Is he close with them?
"Coming home" can be a powerful thing. When "home" includes coaching at Indiana University...I could see it pulling someone like May from a good setup at Michigan.
I don't think there is any rule about leaving after 1 year and it wouldn't make him a bad person to do so.A stand-up coach doesn't have a successful first season and then make a lateral move to a conference foe. I'm not buying the whole "it's his dream job so why wouldn't he come here?" argument. Just my take on the situation.
But you can't take away his IU ties. That is part of the equationAlthough most of the college basketball world believes IU getting Dusty is probable (or at least possible), I don't think so at all. If you take away DM's IU ties, there's no reason to leave Michigan after one (successful) season. I'm sorry, but I don't think IU's pull is that strong.
We'll find out soon enough. If my read on the situation is off and DM comes here, fantastic.I don't think there is any rule about leaving after 1 year and it wouldn't make him a bad person to do so.
His wife grew up 20 minutes from Bloomington. She may have a little bit of influence.
Michigan is worried as they are trying to get him on a new contract.
He will get extended in the next few weeks. His buyout will triple.A stand-up coach doesn't have a successful first season and then make a lateral move to a conference foe. I'm not buying the whole "it's his dream job so why wouldn't he come here?" argument. Just my take on the situation.
If Michigan doesn't lock him up by tourney time, then maybe we've got something. I don't imagine UM wants to go into the NCAAT with the IU/DM thing as a distraction.He will get extended in the next few weeks. His buyout will triple.