I read some of it. I also read what Thomas wrote. Did you read it? How am I spreading disinformation when I prefaced with I think… an opinion. Stop being disingenuous.
Dusting off Loving vs Virginia
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Yeah, I think it’s two or three days.
But at any rate, like Marvin said, it certainly would result in at least some not small number of fertilized eggs being aborted. And I think that’ll be enough for the activists to hang their hats on.
No I understand what you are saying and it's correct. There's just a distinction. Plan B is emergency contraception. It may be a bastardized argument but it prevents a pregnancy from occurring. Abortion pills, conversely, terminate a pregnancy
https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2...traception-same-sex-marriage-rulings-00042256. In case you did indeed miss it.
At page 49, when discussing why he thinks Roe and Casey were wrong, and why the cases used to support a right to privacy and abortion were distinguishable, Alito says the “remaining” cases were related to a right to marry a person of a different race, procreation, a right not to be sterilized, or the rights of married and unmarried persons to obtain contraceptives. He then said “but none of these decisions involved what is distinctive about abortion: its impact on what Roe termed “potential life.“ “
At page 71, when discussing why he thinks the dissent is wrong, Alito says:
“Finally, the dissent suggests that our decision calls into question Griswold, Eisenstadt, Lawrence, and Obergefell … But we have stated unequivocally that “nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.“… We have also explained why that is so: rights regarding contraception and same-sex relationships are inherently different from the right to abortion because the latter (as we have stressed) uniquely involves what Roe and Casey termed “potential life.“
The folks who claim Alito has laid the ground work to do away with gay marriage, inter-racial marriage and contraception have not read these specific statements where he explains specifically why those rights and cases are not changed by the Dobbs decision.
The arguments why Dobbs is wrong and Roe was right Will need to be based in the demand of substantive due process that rights be found to have been historically considered and protected as vital to “liberty.” Saying Dobbs attacks rights it does not attack is a loser. Worse, it just spreads misinformation so that people can get upset and go out and fight with each other in the street, or on the Internet.
Or more appropriately, the very few days since Dobbs have shown that state constitutions may provide protections Which the federal Constitution does not. However, people who will not read this decision will probably not read their own state constitutions either.
I just saw Texas law defines life as beginning at fertilization. Anything preventing that egg from living seems to run afoul.
IVF will be interesting, eggs are scanned for genetic abnormalities and I'd found, not implanted. If those eggs are living humans, must the woman be forced to carry them?
You cherry-picked an article. You constantly allow yourself to remain ignorant and be manipulated.
Read the opinion for yourself.
Think for yourself.
Or read my post to Marvin and be manipulated by me.
Dobbs does not weaken the right to contraception, gay marriage or interracial marriage. Anybody who says it does is stupid or a liar. Or cant or wont read. And as Mark Twain said, the person who will not read has no advantage over the person who cannot read.
Thomas wrote a concurring opinion. Please stop being stupid in public. A concurring opinion is not enforceable as law.
“Stars, Stripes, and reproductive rights”
A 32yo music theory major still living with her parents bitching about how much she owes on college debt was parading around in a shirt with this saying on it yesterday.
Yeah and all the fams with there's frozen. My stoker's close friend did that and even knows the sex. It's amazing. You can pre pick a girl or boy. But yeah what happens to all those frozen/stored etc
The claim is that Dobbs attacks the right to contraception. It is a stupid claim by uniformed propaganda addicts who refuse to read judicial opinions they criticize.
Flat earth theory applied to law.
Birth control that does not prevent fertilization, ie plan B and iuds, are vulnerable if laws like Texas' law that says life begins at fertilization. Explain to me precisely how Alito's opinion guarantees neither can be prohibited?
My brain is marinating and I'm slow from heat and alcohol. I don't mean to belabor the point but I do want to go back to this. "...life begins at fertilization. Preventing that egg from living." Again that's not Plan B. Plan B Fs with ovulation. It delays the release of an egg so there's no egg to meet the sperm. No egg no fertilization. I don't think anything is being killed. Timing is altered so a connection isn't made. The egg isn't destroyed. It's delayed so it misses the sperm.
I didn’t cherry pick an article. Good God do you honestly NOT know what Thomas said? Trust me, I do and so do millions of others . Don’t be a condescending ass. We were told for a decade that Roe was decided law and to stop being hysterical. Pardon me for believing when another Justice implicitly says they are going after birth control. I know what the opinion says. That has nothing to do with my response or what Thomas said. Think for myself? Lol. Sorry if I don’t think how you think is considered nit thinking for myself. Stop your bs.
God you’re an ass. Do you think I don’t know that? Stop being an ass in public.
I don’t understand your question. The same way it does everything else. A state, say Texas brings up a case and it makes its way to the SC. Isn’t that the way it always works?
BTW, my complaint is not so much with Dobbs but with the pathetic Thomas. He is heartily encouraging challenges to everything. It might be the others all know he is a loon, it also might be he is the only one with the courage to say it out loud.
Exactly. You’re saying the exact same thing I did but let’s see if MTIOF asks you to stop spreading misinformation, propaganda, and to stop being stupid.
Is contraception deeply rooted in American history and tradition? No.
Is homosexual activity deeply rooted in American history and tradition? Probably yes, but certainly not something that was acknowledged.
Is gay marriage deeply rooted in American history and tradition? No. Marriage is, but we literally had DOMA and other statewide legislation specifically defining what marriage is and is not. It wasn’t like Obergfell was a unanimous opinion.
Alito made those shoutouts to other cases as damage control, full stop. And nothing about his reasoning undermining substantive due process can’t be extended to other unenumerated rights cases.
And regardless of what Alito says in this particular opinion, a future jurist could look at Thomas’s concurrence and decide that he was right and Alito was wrong. Although the concurrence has no precedential value itself, concurrences and dissents have long been used in the justification of later opinions.
Nope. She’s a good kid and we have a good relationship.
She’s just broke because she doesn’t know how the world goes around.
The shovel is going to be wore out before she stops digging.
I don't think they are all the same. I think some operate with the same result - such as making it where the sperm can't get through to meet the egg, by way of example. So in that way it's not destroying anything. It's a missed connection
Same as I’ve been trying to explain to MTIOF. Which is why I don’t need to read Alito decision in its entirety as that’s not what I’m discussing here.
- The released progesterone or copper creates changes in the cervical mucus and inside the uterus that kills sperm or makes them immobile.
- The IUD changes the lining of the uterus, preventing implantation should fertilization occur. It is important to consider the ethical implications of this third method.
Intrauterine Devices
IUDs are a T-shaped piece of plastic placed inside the uterus, containing copper or a synthetic progesterone hormone preventing pregnancy.
americanpregnancy.org
President Biden Just Signed An Executive Order To Protect Plan B
It aims to safeguard access to medication abortion and emergency contraception.
It’s contraception. Are “they” going after contraception?
- The released progesterone or copper creates changes in the cervical mucus and inside the uterus that kills sperm or makes them immobile.
- The IUD changes the lining of the uterus, preventing implantation should fertilization occur. It is important to consider the ethical implications of this third method.
Intrauterine Devices
IUDs are a T-shaped piece of plastic placed inside the uterus, containing copper or a synthetic progesterone hormone preventing pregnancy.
If the Tx law says life begins at fertilization and emergency contraception prevents fertilization be ensuring the sperm and egg don't meet then emergency contraception does not run afoul of the TX law
I think I have explained it several times, Texas law says human life begins at fertilization. If an IUD blocks that egg from implanting, the egg passes and dies. Isn't that therefore murder?
Yes I just picked that as an example. Idaho and Louisiana are the two states where lawmakers have mentioned looking at other methods of birth control.
No. Life begins at fertilization. This occurs BEFORE fertilization so no life has come into existence. Fertilization is when the sperm and egg fuse. THEN the law is triggered. Emergency contraception acts BEFORE that fusion by interrupting same before it happens, thereby never triggering the law
You think Texas is going to outlaw IUDs?
I don’t see it.
If Indiana proposes something that stupid I will be right there with you railing against the proposal.
It does not matter that the IUD went in before, some will say by using the IUD the woman has preplanned murdering that human. If that egg is a human, the IUD use 8s killing it.
Imagine setting a shotgun up wired to your door and leaving for 6 months. At 5 months some tries to open the door triggering the gun. Claiming you set that up 5 months ago so clearly you did not do it will hardly exonerate you.
I’m surprised you’re reaching so much.
“Some will say” occurs on every topic.
Then explain to me the relevance of "life begins at fertilization." Because the contraception occurs BEFORE life begins. If the ban is after life begins, after fertilization, contraception that occurs by stopping a sperm from reaching an egg does not violate the stat
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