So what’s the latest people are hearing? Seems like a perfect fit as far a defense and a kid that can create his own shot! Visit was a week ago kinda figured he would have made a decision or be making it very soon. We are currently full and the deadline to enter the portal is Sunday. So I think if he chooses us he will have to do it soon so whoever gets “creaned” has a chance to transfer!
Dexter Dennis News?
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Creaning is over committing. To Crean, first you have to tan yourself stupid, then act like a socially unacceptable spaz .... followed by having too many commits and then having to get rid of some,
If you get rid of a player, have an open spot, and fill it.. that's not what Crean is famous for. RMK and every other coach has done that more than once and it shouldn't be called Creaning.
Now if we signed Dennis without room for him and then let someone go .. that's Creaning. The difference .. optics.
You forgot he would buy new(2sizes big) pants in anticipation of drowning his Creaning in ice cream.
Rob committed to Cincinnati and this kid is definitely a big ten caliber player. He definitely put it to us in assembly hall last time we played.
if you dump a player to create room for another, it's Creaning.
doesn't matter if you break the news to the one being dumped, before or after.
As it sits now, if TJD returns, we're full. If we add someone and he returns, we're over.
They have a clean solution with Leal however where no Creaning or PorkChopping is required.
We'll know, between now and june 1st which is draft exit deadline. Probably soon after draft combine evaluations.
Also, TJD, so far, has not been invited to the draft combine.
I assume with no invite, he's back ahead of June 1. Is there a deadline for the combine invitation or is it possible right up until the start of it on the 16th as people may drop out due to injuries or whatever other reason?
Staying in the draft will be a gamble compared to whatever NIL money he’s making. He will be back. Maybe stating the obvious.
I wonder what his NIL total is? At minimum 750K?
Hard to believe he wouldn't get an invite to the combine; I would think NBA scouts would want to see him in that type of setting
NIL $ isn't tied to being at a school. He could make his NIL money and take a chance on the draft.
I would need proof to believe that the payment schedule outlined is not contingent on him being at IU. I’m sure it could be a mixed bag, but what benefit does TJD bring in the G league or Europe?
I think the correct statement would be he can make a portion of his NIL money and stay in the draft.
If I’m understanding you, you are getting to the crux of the issue.
does college basketball “exist” because of the players or the schools?
take TJD as an example. We will likely see him as a Hoosier next year, making $1 million from boosters, plus getting a full ride. Why will he be back? Because of economics. Nothing can compete with the booster money unless he gets more from the NBA. He can’t make that money in Europe, or anywhere else.
the money is because of IU, not because of him.
in other words, create a USA basketball league, and let’s see what he is paid to play for the Grand Rapids golden Lagers pro team. Or, have him go play for Evansville, or Indiana State, etc. This isn’t the pros where a starting PG makes in some range of X no matter the team. Maybe TJD can make $1 mil at KY, maybe he can make $75k at Iona. It’s about the school.
Obviously it’s not a either / or issue, but TJD is getting paid $1 million because it’s Indiana. He’s making the money by leveraging the fact that IU basketball has market value. I’m not faulting him for wanting to use IU, but …..
These players getting big NIL deals need college basketball way more than college basketball needs them.
college basketball is big money and generates revenue. But, IMHO, that revenue would be there even if the TJDs of the world were sitting on an NBA bench (or in a developmental league) making 10% as much money, and the person replacing him in college basketball was some unknown.
edit: if I’m a Savvy lawyer for IU (and I predict this is where it’s headed), I want a piece of that action. It’s not because of TJDs likeness and image that he’s “worth” a million, it’s because he is being paid to be in an IU uniform.
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CBB exists because of the schools. It is at a high level because of the players, but the one non-negotiable are the schools.
Exactly: I follow IU basketball because I went to IU. I don’t care if we have 5 stars from Greenwood, 2 stars from Spokane, or zero stars from Timbuktu. I went to IU either way. (Note: My enthusiasm level can change based on how good we are, but that is relative. If there were no future NBA players in the NCAAs, but we were elite that would be just fine.)
Edit: I know there is an argument that more talent equals better basketball. Look at pro sports where you have parity with talent and even see expansion teams win it all. What’s better a league with less talent (but more parity), or having more talent but huge imbalances (much greater than now) between teams based on money? Talent without monetary guard rails (ie salary cap, something) will not be good.
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I'd have preferred to just have Rob back imo. Maybe that wasn't an option, but I'd have preferred that, just based on looking at stats for this kid.
Yes, simple economics. It’s why IU will have no issues recruiting going forward. They just need to weave in CULTURE with NIL and it’s party time.
Honestly, I’m not super excited about the new CBB landscape. Money corrupts and it’s a shallow way of being on top. Hopefully they can blend in the culture piece to make it the best version possible given the new landscape. It’s not going anywhere, so accept, adapt, and overcome.
I’m glad I was old enough for the last half of the Knight era. On the other hand, I know it will never be the same. I will still be at the fountain with my shirt off if they win #6.
It is better basketball because of the talent, but to your point; if the roster of Wabash played for IU and the roster of Franklin College played for Illinois...it would still be a big deal for alumni.
Tough one to fully measure...but in general, I think .Gerdis is mostly right. The "talent" will always be revolving, and relative. Someone is getting the NIL money, and the "best" IU player will mostly command a similar amount, most years. I think its obvious there is some potential for certain players to make more based on their skill, and more importantly, their marketability. Imagine if someone with the hype that Damon Bailey had, would be considering/attending IU nowadays. Or how NIL would have played a role in the Cody Zeller recruitment. As examples.
Longer term though...the overall interest, and thusly the marketability of college basketball, depends on these NBA/Pro level kids still choosing college as their path to playing professionally. There will always be fans like us, that will watch and support IU basketball basically no matter what. The big money leaves, however, when the casual fans stop watching. And that absolutely would start to happen if the Zion's and Holmgren's of the world find better alternatives for their year layover waiting for the NBA. And if the TJD's think risking the G League for a year or two is a better option than staying at IU.
All I'm saying is that NIL money isn't supposed to be contingent on performance or even attending school. Whether that's the real world agreement or not, I don't know. It's not supposed to be used as a recruiting inducement either, so I get your skepticism.
In other words: While the NIL money is solely contingent on performance and attending school, any formal contract will explicitly deny it.
NIL is just an option for top tier college sports to compete with professional $$$sss.
IMO, “professional” sports (which has lost ALL MEANING) are fine with the arrangement. Letting the colleges keep and train the NonLottery picks, especially their minor leagues, saves them big bucks.
College basketball and college football are different animals, but Both will see a resultant separation between Have and Have-Not because of NIl.
BIG QUESTIONS: 1. When will Women sports require equal NIL as men? Or, 2. when universities see a huge drop in donations in the “GENERAL COLLEGE FUND DONATIONS”, as a result of that money going towards NIL, will the professors and administrators demand a piece of the action?
IMO, “professional” sports (which has lost ALL MEANING) are fine with the arrangement. Letting the colleges keep and train the NonLottery picks, especially their minor leagues, saves them big bucks.
College basketball and college football are different animals, but Both will see a resultant separation between Have and Have-Not because of NIl.
BIG QUESTIONS: 1. When will Women sports require equal NIL as men? Or, 2. when universities see a huge drop in donations in the “GENERAL COLLEGE FUND DONATIONS”, as a result of that money going towards NIL, will the professors and administrators demand a piece of the action?
I would think that as this trends to fair market value, the ladies wouldn't be able to bitch much.
Anyone who lists their "top 6" after playing 4 years at another school has issues.
I agree with some of your points but you state TJD‘s value is because he is in a IU uniform but I disagree that is the sole reason and think he does have value himself. If he had gone into the portal multiple (many) schools would have gone after him and most would have discussed very explicit and lucrative NIL opportunities. He would be cashing in next year wearing nearly any uniform.
In regards to the statement “these players getting NIL deals need college basketball way more than college basketball needs them”….
Isn’t that the also case with nearly all the players, except the superstars, on every professional team? As an example I would guess the average fan doesn’t care who the last 6 guys are on any NBA team as long as Lebron or Giannis roll into town but the end of the bench guys are still making millions.
In regards to “a savvy lawyer for IU getting a piece of that action”. I think it’s more likely that the players get a piece of the next tv deal. The odds of a school like IU (with ticket, booster, BT network $, NCAA tourney $$) getting a piece of the players action is, in my opinion, near zero.
The Professors already have a form of NIL in that they are able, on the side, to consult, give speeches, publish etc and the market decides the worth of their endeavors (just like the NIL).
IU already gets more than it's share of the cut.
and they inherited that money, all of it, not something anyone at IU made happen.
as to player vs school.
heard Cris Collinsworth tell an interesting story one day on the radio.
during the NFL strike yr, he went down to the stadium to check things out with the replacement players.
just as he's walking into seating area, a Cincinnati Bengals replacement player makes a great play, and the crowd goes wild.
he said he knew that second they were all replaceable, and it's about the team, not the player.
And what would those "issues" be?
He has played four years but much like coming out of HS, he is being courted by several programs.
I have read that we are going after him hard and I don't imagine we are the only ones.
A top six does not seem inappropriate at all.
What is Dexter Dennis timeline to announce? Got to be before Trayce makes his or 4-5 of his top 6 will find satisfaction elsewhere.
I think he is waiting on IU. Just a hunch based on his posting of him hitting threes in response to IU fans posting that he is not the shooter we need.
Gotcha, thanks. Believe he can add to both O&D. Losing Rob hurts the defense total. Adding DD makes up for that + more size and additional scoring from the wing. But if we're full I hate to see another player lose out.
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