Dems have no one to run for POTUS in 2020

[Morrison]

I think it was Goat who pointed out in a thread earlier this week, that the Democrats "short bench" is not based in reality. He is correct. Quality over quantity is the reality. I've put together my list of possibilities, and their chances as of now. Again, this is just my opinion, and even that could change by tomorrow. When you are looking at four years of being lead by a person as despicable as DJT, it's never too early to look to the next election. I do not think Bernie will run, so I left him off this list. He will however, be the ultimate "King maker", and his endorsement will be sought by everyone on this list.

1. Elizabeth Warren, 67, the obvious early front runner should she decide to run, and I think she will. Not my first choice, as I think she would wear on people over a long campaign. A true liberal, but her life story hardly seems authentic to working class people. I don't think she gets Bernie's endorsement however.

2. Cory Booker, 47, an electric speaker that is more moderate than his image. He is a social media star, that would excite the base. Would the country and Trump's "White America" be over their trauma of Obama being in the office for 8 years this soon? It could actually help Booker, if people long for Obama after 4 years of Trump.

3. Tim Kaine, 58, ran on a losing ticket, but after 4 years of loud, brash, in your face Trumpism, the country could be looking for an honest, competent, Jesuit to lead us.

4. Martin O'Malley, 53, ran a most uninspiring campaign for the Democratic nomination from a person that is a progressive, Kennedyesque, successful Governor. He has the chops to take on Trump head on, and has the time to start immediately.

5. Amy Klobuchar, 56, has long aspired to greater things than the US Senate. Very popular in Minnesota, and highly regarded on both sides of the aisle. She already has visits to Iowa set up, and could have a head start in her neighboring state. She has a legitimate shot to win the thing.

6. Chris Murphy, 43, is a rising progressive star in the Senate, and would be one of the most likely candidates that Bernie would throw his weight behind.

7. Jeff Merkley, 60, was the earliest backer of his friend Bernie this cycle, and Bernie could return the favor in 2020.

8. Kirsten Gillibrand, 49, was appointed to Hillary's Senate seat 8 years ago. She is a prolific fund raiser, and has admirers from both sides of the aisle.

9. Kamela Harris, 51, newly elected Senator from California has always had those whispers out here of "She's going to be POTUS one day". Most likely an A list VP choice in 2020.

10. Tim Ryan, 43, ran against Pelosi for Minority Leader to raise his profile and name recognition for a possible Ohio Governor race in 2018. If he were to run and win that office, he shoots up toward the top of this list. He's been a popular Congressman in the working class district of Northeast Ohio for 14 years.

11. Sherrod Brown, 63, has the credibility with the working class voter to bring the Trump charade to light.

12. Al Franken, 65, has already set up a Franken 2020 site, but I doubt he would run if Klobuchar makes a go of it.

13. Tom Perez, 54, the population Labor Secretary should be the DNC chair, but will most likely run for Governor of Maryland in 2 years, raising his national profile.

14. John Hickenlooper, 64, is the former mayor of Denver, and popular Governor of Colorado.

15. Steve Bullock, 50, is a popular 2 term Governor of red state Montana. An honest Bill Clinton.

16. Martin Heinrich, 44, Senator from New Mexico is young, handsome, and a leader on the environment.

17. Catherine Cortez Masto, 52, is Harry Reid's newly elected Senator from Nevada, and is an Hispanic female.

18. Andrew Cuomo, 58, would have been farther up this list if not for recent corruption charges against some of his New York staffers.

19. Julian/Juaquin Castro, 41, the Texas twins will be on the stage for the long haul, with Julian an early favorite as HRC's VP this cycle. His brother has more substance.

20. Tulsi Gabbard, 35, should have parlayed her resignation as vice chair of the DNC into a solid future within the party. She is trying to move too quick, as evident by her meeting with Trump after the election. Not a good look.

I'm sure some of you are looking at my list, and saying WTF? It's ok, I value all opinions and enjoy learning from your responses as well.

With the current political climate in the US, the Democratic Party may nominate Kanye and Kim as the ticket in 2020. Thay could campaign on a theme of "If you wanted to be entertained by a reality show in the White House, you ain't seen shit".

Another good possibility would be Alec Baldwin running as his Trump character he portrays on SNL. Think about it. That would be some good stuff.

Al Franken could run as a comedian only. Don't even mention he's been a 2 term US Senator, as it would most likely be held against him. But not as a pure comedian, not in this climate! A Jon Stewart/Stephen Colbert ticket would be even better.

And finally, maybe just nominate a Weiner/Holder ticket, or Franken/Stein, and get in the bumper sticker business!


Edit: Spelling

 

[toastedbread]

Very nice post. My main thought is they better nominate someone with pizzazz however it's spelled. I think Booker is the only one that has the "it" factor. Unfortunately he also has some rather serious character issues, though obviously nowhere near approaching trump. Corey cares about Corey and only Corey best I can tell. His political desires are #1. I put him and Gabbard in the same boat in this regard, though booker worse. Black people were no shows in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, etc so that aspect doesn't hurt. Also i don't think women voted for Hillary at the rate expected. Having a male at the top of the ticket is probably a better idea for 2020. Women as VP also wouldn't hurt.

 

[sglowrider]

I had Booker a shoo-in a couple of years ago. But he seemed to have lost that appeal.
Regardless, the Democratic party has to stay young/modern and reflective of the changine demographics.... the millennials and the Hispanics are coming-in a big way the next cycle and their values arent very Republican.
Besides, the democrat's own white folk < the natural old white Repub party naturally offers.

Chris Murphy has that heart on the sleeve authenticity that allegedly swept Trump in. Combine him with one of the Castro brothers.. and bob's your uncle.

 

[sglowrider]

I think it was Goat who pointed out in a thread earlier this week, that the Democrats "short bench" is not based in reality. He is correct. Quality over quantity is the reality. I've put together my list of possibilities, and their chances as of now. Again, this is just my opinion, and even that could change by tomorrow. When you are looking at four years of being lead by a person as despicable as DJT, it's never too early to look to the next election. I do not think Bernie will run, so I left him off this list. He will however, be the ultimate "King maker", and his endorsement will be sought by everyone on this list.

1. Elizabeth Warren, 67, the obvious early front runner should she decide to run, and I think she will. Not my first choice, as I think she would wear on people over a long campaign. A true liberal, but her life story hardly seems authentic to working class people. I don't think she gets Bernie's endorsement however.

2. Cory Booker, 47, an electric speaker that is more moderate than his image. He is a social media star, that would excite the base. Would the country and Trump's "White America" be over their trauma of Obama being in the office for 8 years this soon? It could actually help Booker, if people long for Obama after 4 years of Trump.

3. Tim Kaine, 58, ran on a losing ticket, but after 4 years of loud, brash, in your face Trumpism, the country could be looking for an honest, competent, Jesuit to lead us.

4. Martin O'Malley, 53, ran a most uninspiring campaign for the Democratic nomination from a person that is a progressive, Kennedyesque, successful Governor. He has the chops to take on Trump head on, and has the time to start immediately.

5. Amy Klobuchar, 56, has long aspired to greater things than the US Senate. Very popular in Minnesota, and highly regarded on both sides of the aisle. She already has visits to Iowa set up, and could have a head start in her neighboring state. She has a legitimate shot to win the thing.

6. Chris Murphy, 43, is a rising progressive star in the Senate, and would be one of the most likely candidates that Bernie would throw his weight behind.

7. Jeff Merkley, 60, was the earliest backer of his friend Bernie this cycle, and Bernie could return the favor in 2020.

8. Kirsten Gillibrand, 49, was appointed to Hillary's Senate seat 8 years ago. She is a prolific fund raiser, and has admirers from both sides of the aisle.

9. Kamela Harris, 51, newly elected Senator from California has always had those whispers out here of "She's going to be POTUS one day". Most likely an A list VP choice in 2020.

10. Tim Ryan, 43, ran against Pelosi for Minority Leader to raise his profile and name recognition for a possible Ohio Governor race in 2018. If he were to run and win that office, he shoots up toward the top of this list. He's been a popular Congressman in the working class district of Northeast Ohio for 14 years.

11. Sherrod Brown, 63, has the credibility with the working class voter to bring the Trump charade to light.

12. Al Franken, 65, has already set up a Franken 2020 site, but I doubt he would run if Klobuchar makes a go of it.

13. Tom Perez, 54, the population Labor Secretary should be the DNC chair, but will most likely run for Governor of Maryland in 2 years, raising his national profile.

14. John Hickenlooper, 64, is the former mayor of Denver, and popular Governor of Colorado.

15. Steve Bullock, 50, is a popular 2 term Governor of red state Montana. An honest Bill Clinton.

16. Martin Heinrich, 44, Senator from New Mexico is young, handsome, and a leader on the environment.

17. Catherine Cortez Masto, 52, is Harry Reid's newly elected Senator from Nevada, and is an Hispanic female.

18. Andrew Cuomo, 58, would have been farther up this list if not for recent corruption charges against some of his New York staffers.

19. Julian/Juaquin Castro, 41, the Texas twins will be on the stage for the long haul, with Julian an early favorite as HRC's VP this cycle. His brother has more substance.

20. Tulsi Gabbard, 35, should have parlayed her resignation as vice chair of the DNC into a solid future within the party. She is trying to move too quick, as evident by her meeting with Trump after the election. Not a good look.

I'm sure some of you are looking at my list, and saying WTF? It's ok, I value all opinions and enjoy learning from your responses as well.

With the current political climate in the US, the Democratic Party may nominate Kanye and Kim as the ticket in 2020. Thay could campaign on a theme of "If you wanted to be entertained by a reality show in the White House, you ain't seen shit".

Another good possibility would be Alec Baldwin running as his Trump character he portrays on SNL. Think about it. That would be some good stuff.

Al Franken could run as a comedian only. Don't even mention he's been a 2 term US Senator, as it would most likely be held against him. But not as a pure comedian, not in this climate! A Jon Stewart/Stephen Colbert ticket would be even better.

And finally, maybe just nominate a Weiner/Holder ticket, or Franken/Stein, and get in the bumper sticker business!


Edit: Spelling

Add another -- Gavin Newsom --TV appeal, anti-Trump, progressive and will be well funded by Bay area folks. And who knows, our very own, Mark Cuban? He certainly was testing the waters on TV recently.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

I believe it was 538 who came up with the weak bench theory, and no offense to goat but I tend to value their assessment slightly higher. Here is the thing, how many of those people are known outside their home state/political junkies? Friends in CA love Harris, if I were to poll across the nation what percent of Americans have heard of her, 2? Booker might be the best known, but has other issues. Kaine did not do well in the debate for many Americans. The lack of December governors hurts the bench.

 

[toastedbread]

I believe it was 538 who came up with the weak bench theory, and no offense to goat but I tend to value their assessment slightly higher. Here is the thing, how many of those people are known outside their home state/political junkies? Friends in CA love Harris, if I were to poll across the nation what percent of Americans have heard of her, 2? Booker might be the best known, but has other issues. Kaine did not do well in the debate for many Americans. The lack of December governors hurts the bench.

it all starts at the local level... In fl at least the dems haven't had a decent candidate for governor in years. Speaking more broadly it's all about connections, nepotism, and seniority. How many members of the house are in their 20s or 30s? It's ****ed up. There is literally no fresh blood. About the only thing I'll compliment the tea party on is that "average Joe's" managed to successfully enter office. I think that's quite healthy.

I don't have the personality for politics, but the recent iran sanctions votes made me pissed enough to at least consider unseating my local congressman. My research basically ended when i saw a guy who essentially ran unopposed(heavy D district) has over 4 mil in the political bank. Why the F does someone need such an obscene amount of money for a non competitive district? A district you could just put D on the ballot and it wins by force. And i looked into the demographics a bit... I am 24 will turn 25 by 2018 and this is an older district. I could run the most microtargeted campaign nail every issue that will appeal to the largest voting blocks, and the reality is i have absolutely no chance, even with the necessary campaign $. The reality is old people will vote for the older incumbent no matter what. If i did everything absolutely perfectly i would still have no chance of winning.

And speaking of which, this local D is the kind of liberal who is a vegetarian (im guessing due to animal rights) edit: just checked and it's exactly that reason. Figures), yet when it comes to his little israel he is the biggest hawk around. Each day i feel myself less and less jewish. Im sick and tired of israel being the be all and end all. And you know what, im directly personally affected by these iran sanctions unlike the israel hawks. (And these morons actually think Iran will bomb israel with a nuke or what do these idiots really think? The anti-israel, anti us talk is purely for internal domestic politics. They wouldn't dare act on their talk. They are not stupid. It's purely to maintain power. They would be eliminated in 5 seconds shoule they act. They are pragmatic.)

Anyhow i called his office to voice my displeasure with his position as a constituent directly affected by his policy and not someone abstractly affected by some convulted irrational fear tied to israel. I was told i would receive an email reply weeks ago. Still waiting. Evidently he doesnt give a shit about his constituents and his actions that hurt them. But keep on eating salad.

That's how i feel about politics.

I'm in Ukraine right now so it could be worse.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

it all starts at the local level... In fl at least the dems haven't had a decent candidate for governor in years. Speaking more broadly it's all about connections, nepotism, and seniority. How many members of the house are in their 20s or 30s? It's ****ed up. There is literally no fresh blood. About the only thing I'll compliment the tea party on is that "average Joe's" managed to successfully enter office. I think that's quite healthy.

I don't have the personality for politics, but the recent iran sanctions votes made me pissed enough to at least consider unseating my local congressman. My research basically ended when i saw a guy who essentially ran unopposed(heavy D district) has over 4 mil in the political bank. Why the F does someone need such an obscene amount of money for a non competitive district? A district you could just put D on the ballot and it wins by force. And i looked into the demographics a bit... I am 24 will turn 25 by 2018 and this is an older district. I could run the most microtargeted campaign nail every issue that will appeal to the largest voting blocks, and the reality is i have absolutely no chance, even with the necessary campaign $. The reality is old people will vote for the older incumbent no matter what. If i did everything absolutely perfectly i would still have no chance of winning.

And speaking of which, this local D is the kind of liberal who is a vegetarian (im guessing due to animal rights), yet when it comes to his little israel he is the biggest hawk around. Each day i feel myself less and less jewish. Im sick and tired of israel being the be all and end all. And you know what, im directly personally affected by these iran sanctions unlike the israel hawks. (And these morons actually think Iran will bomb israel with a nuke or what do these idiots really think? The anti-israel, anti us talk is purely for internal domestic politics. They wouldn't dare act on their talk. They are not stupid. It's purely to maintain power. They would be eliminated in 5 seconds shoule they act. They are pragmatic.)

Anyhow i called his office to voice my displeasure with his position as a constituent directly affected by his policy and not someone abstractly affected by some convulted irrational fear tied to israel. I was told i would receive an email reply weeks ago. Still waiting. Evidently he doesnt give a shit about his constituents and his actions that hurt them. But keep on eating salad.

That's how i feel about politics.

I'm in Ukraine right now so it could be worse.

Since you are in Ukraine, any concerns there about Trump's election vis a vie Putin?

Your congressman needs that 4 million in case he ever wants to run for senate/governor or whatever else. The system is entirely broken. I am sure you have seen the stories, if not Google them, all our elected officials are required by parties to be on the phone raising money so many hours a week. Pretty much, that's all they do. They run out to the floor for a vote, then back to begging for money. There absolutely must be a better way. Even if we assume Trump was a poke in the eye to that (and he wasn't), it doesn't scratch the surface downstream.

I think as a nation we need to reevaluate sanctions*. How many times in the last 50 years have they worked, have they forced a nation to alter its behavior? As much as I want to keep Russia from moving on Ukraine or anywhere else, our sanctions aren't going to stop that. It's just a way of appearing hawkish. We should drop the Iranian sanctions, the Russian sanctions, any remaining Cuban sanctions, etc. Even North Korea. Engage the enemy, dictators largely hate a free flow of ideas. Sanctions wall them off. And as we know from US experience, there is nothing like a foreign power trying to tell a domestic audience what to do to rally support for the government.

* I am talking about broad economic sanctions. I certainly don't mean we should sell Iran arms.

I am amazed at your Israeli opinion, it seems like a major change over the years. I have a hard time with Israel, I certainly support their right to exist but at the same point they sometimes make it very hard to fully support them. They seem to be in perpetual Donald Trump mode in negotiations.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

Add another -- Gavin Newsom --TV appeal, anti-Trump, progressive and will be well funded by Bay area folks. And who knows, our very own, Mark Cuban? He certainly was testing the waters on TV recently.

I came here to say this. Newsom is a star-in-waiting and hasn't yet realized his potential.

I've voted blue in the last two elections and will vote red (or 3rd party) if Warren is the nominee. I cannot go any further left...and I certainly cannot go to Warren's populist left which is really almost a parodied antithesis of Trump's populist right.

 

[toastedbread]

Since you are in Ukraine, any concerns there about Trump's election vis a vie Putin?

Your congressman needs that 4 million in case he ever wants to run for senate/governor or whatever else. The system is entirely broken. I am sure you have seen the stories, if not Google them, all our elected officials are required by parties to be on the phone raising money so many hours a week. Pretty much, that's all they do. They run out to the floor for a vote, then back to begging for money. There absolutely must be a better way. Even if we assume Trump was a poke in the eye to that (and he wasn't), it doesn't scratch the surface downstream.

I think as a nation we need to reevaluate sanctions*. How many times in the last 50 years have they worked, have they forced a nation to alter its behavior? As much as I want to keep Russia from moving on Ukraine or anywhere else, our sanctions aren't going to stop that. It's just a way of appearing hawkish. We should drop the Iranian sanctions, the Russian sanctions, any remaining Cuban sanctions, etc. Even North Korea. Engage the enemy, dictators largely hate a free flow of ideas. Sanctions wall them off. And as we know from US experience, there is nothing like a foreign power trying to tell a domestic audience what to do to rally support for the government.

* I am talking about broad economic sanctions. I certainly don't mean we should sell Iran arms.

I am amazed at your Israeli opinion, it seems like a major change over the years. I have a hard time with Israel, I certainly support their right to exist but at the same point they sometimes make it very hard to fully support them. They seem to be in perpetual Donald Trump mode in negotiations.

vis a vie putin specifically i have no idea. However i would be shocked if there isn't an escalation within the next 6 months. Kiev itself would never be touched. I'm actually studying russian here ironically.

As for the politican, i would guess this is one of the wealthiest districts in the entire country per capita. So i doubt he is constantly fundraising. I dont think he has any problems raising money. Just show up at the JCC, chant pro israel slogans, and wait for handouts from the ferrari owners. And trust me, there are plenty of them.

Exactly if you want to sanction arms to iran, russian, etc fine. I'm not opposed to targeted sanctions. Your entire commentary is 100% correct. Good luck finding a reasonable Iran policy though with the amount of Israeli + Gulf $ flowing. All of the think tanks are totally bought right now. Sanctioning my right to send a loved one or relative a birthday present is absolute insanity. People have been sent to jail for similar things to that. It's pure madness.

I dont care for Israelis at all. They are in a survival mindset 24/7. The country has also completely gone away from its secuarlist roots and become something of a religious controlled state. Also even as a jew I experienced horrific discrimination due to being a non Hebrew speaker. As a jew visiting my "homeland" i found this shocking. And this is speaking fron the totality of numerous travel experiences to a variety of countries. Yea i lost all concern for them basically.

 

[toastedbread]

I came here to say this. Newsom is a star-in-waiting and hasn't yet realized his potential.

I've voted blue in the last two elections and will vote red (or 3rd party) if Warren is the nominee. I cannot go any further left...and I certainly cannot go to Warren's populist left which is really almost a parodied antithesis of Trump's populist right.

im quite shocked by this. I was under the impression you were even way to the left of myself.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

im quite shocked by this. I was under the impression you were even way to the left of myself.

No. I'm not left at all. The current (last 8-10 years) state of the GOP has pushed me left but my principles are conservative...insofar as what used to be conservatism. Before the Tea Party and populists took over.

For the last 8-10 years, the Democrats have been the grown-ups.

 

[Noodle]

vis a vie putin specifically i have no idea. However i would be shocked if there isn't an escalation within the next 6 months. Kiev itself would never be touched. I'm actually studying russian here ironically.

Fascinating. Just curious, why are you in the Ukraine? Embarrassingly, I do not recall what line of work you are in.

I took 6 weeks of Russian back in 8th grade (we had 8 weeks each of Russian, Spanish, French and German). Had my high school offered it, I probably would have stuck with Russian rather than German. Always had trouble writing the Russian version of Z. Only thing I remember is "ya galodnay" (phonetic spelling, obviously), which I believe means "I'm hungry." I figure if I ever find myself stranded in Russia (or the Ukraine) at least I would be able to get something to eat.

 

[sglowrider]

I came here to say this. Newsom is a star-in-waiting and hasn't yet realized his potential.

I've voted blue in the last two elections and will vote red (or 3rd party) if Warren is the nominee. I cannot go any further left...and I certainly cannot go to Warren's populist left which is really almost a parodied antithesis of Trump's populist right.

Why do you rate gavin?

 

[toastedbread]

Fascinating. Just curious, why are you in the Ukraine? Embarrassingly, I do not recall what line of work you are in.

I took 6 weeks of Russian back in 8th grade (we had 8 weeks each of Russian, Spanish, French and German). Had my high school offered it, I probably would have stuck with Russian rather than German. Always had trouble writing the Russian version of Z. Only thing I remember is "ya galodnay" (phonetic spelling, obviously), which I believe means "I'm hungry." I figure if I ever find myself stranded in Russia (or the Ukraine) at least I would be able to get something to eat.

oh just i wanted to improve my russian and was in a hurry to go somewhere. Didnt wsnt to wait for a russian visa so i decided to come here. After these 90 days i should be fairly close to fluent.

Yes that's right. Ya golodny is im hungry. Or if very hungry you can say ya ochen golodny. Im very hungry. Funny story is my canadian friend went to moscow a few years ago for a chess championship and literally had trouble eating because no one spoke english and no one would help him so he was practically relegated to eating mcdonalds.

About work i had been teaching chess for a year and a half. It pays better than people might expect. I was sick of it though. Its not a career for me, but more like a side income. If you remember i had posted a political trading site awhile back. So ive been doing that on and off since may. Sometimes for 4* hours straight and other times take a week off. Can still do it while im away if i wish and do ok. Ive made mid 5 figures since early may. Made about 8k on election day and a bit more after that. So it gives me some flexibility. Prices in ukraine are also quite cheap. Trying to find what im really passionate about for a couple years now. keep going back and forth. I think eventually ill study a masters in politics or international affairs somewhere if i dont start a business.

Edit: 4 hours should be 40. Just noticed a typo there lol.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

Why do you rate gavin?

I don't follow

 

[IDontWannaLargeFarva]

Not sure who the Dems will run in 2020. But I do know the Chelsea V. Ivanka 2024 is going to be electric.

 

[mjvcaj]

5. Amy Klobuchar, 56, has long aspired to greater things than the US Senate. Very popular in Minnesota, and highly regarded on both sides of the aisle. She already has visits to Iowa set up, and could have a head start in her neighboring state. She has a legitimate shot to win the thing.

I don't think she would win it. Not moderate or charismatic enough.

 

[mjvcaj]

I think it was Goat who pointed out in a thread earlier this week, that the Democrats "short bench" is not based in reality. He is correct. Quality over quantity is the reality. I've put together my list of possibilities, and their chances as of now. Again, this is just my opinion, and even that could change by tomorrow. When you are looking at four years of being lead by a person as despicable as DJT, it's never too early to look to the next election. I do not think Bernie will run, so I left him off this list. He will however, be the ultimate "King maker", and his endorsement will be sought by everyone on this list.

1. Elizabeth Warren, 67, the obvious early front runner should she decide to run, and I think she will. Not my first choice, as I think she would wear on people over a long campaign. A true liberal, but her life story hardly seems authentic to working class people. I don't think she gets Bernie's endorsement however.

2. Cory Booker, 47, an electric speaker that is more moderate than his image. He is a social media star, that would excite the base. Would the country and Trump's "White America" be over their trauma of Obama being in the office for 8 years this soon? It could actually help Booker, if people long for Obama after 4 years of Trump.

3. Tim Kaine, 58, ran on a losing ticket, but after 4 years of loud, brash, in your face Trumpism, the country could be looking for an honest, competent, Jesuit to lead us.

4. Martin O'Malley, 53, ran a most uninspiring campaign for the Democratic nomination from a person that is a progressive, Kennedyesque, successful Governor. He has the chops to take on Trump head on, and has the time to start immediately.

5. Amy Klobuchar, 56, has long aspired to greater things than the US Senate. Very popular in Minnesota, and highly regarded on both sides of the aisle. She already has visits to Iowa set up, and could have a head start in her neighboring state. She has a legitimate shot to win the thing.

6. Chris Murphy, 43, is a rising progressive star in the Senate, and would be one of the most likely candidates that Bernie would throw his weight behind.

7. Jeff Merkley, 60, was the earliest backer of his friend Bernie this cycle, and Bernie could return the favor in 2020.

8. Kirsten Gillibrand, 49, was appointed to Hillary's Senate seat 8 years ago. She is a prolific fund raiser, and has admirers from both sides of the aisle.

9. Kamela Harris, 51, newly elected Senator from California has always had those whispers out here of "She's going to be POTUS one day". Most likely an A list VP choice in 2020.

10. Tim Ryan, 43, ran against Pelosi for Minority Leader to raise his profile and name recognition for a possible Ohio Governor race in 2018. If he were to run and win that office, he shoots up toward the top of this list. He's been a popular Congressman in the working class district of Northeast Ohio for 14 years.

11. Sherrod Brown, 63, has the credibility with the working class voter to bring the Trump charade to light.

12. Al Franken, 65, has already set up a Franken 2020 site, but I doubt he would run if Klobuchar makes a go of it.

13. Tom Perez, 54, the population Labor Secretary should be the DNC chair, but will most likely run for Governor of Maryland in 2 years, raising his national profile.

14. John Hickenlooper, 64, is the former mayor of Denver, and popular Governor of Colorado.

15. Steve Bullock, 50, is a popular 2 term Governor of red state Montana. An honest Bill Clinton.

16. Martin Heinrich, 44, Senator from New Mexico is young, handsome, and a leader on the environment.

17. Catherine Cortez Masto, 52, is Harry Reid's newly elected Senator from Nevada, and is an Hispanic female.

18. Andrew Cuomo, 58, would have been farther up this list if not for recent corruption charges against some of his New York staffers.

19. Julian/Juaquin Castro, 41, the Texas twins will be on the stage for the long haul, with Julian an early favorite as HRC's VP this cycle. His brother has more substance.

20. Tulsi Gabbard, 35, should have parlayed her resignation as vice chair of the DNC into a solid future within the party. She is trying to move too quick, as evident by her meeting with Trump after the election. Not a good look.

I'm sure some of you are looking at my list, and saying WTF? It's ok, I value all opinions and enjoy learning from your responses as well.

With the current political climate in the US, the Democratic Party may nominate Kanye and Kim as the ticket in 2020. Thay could campaign on a theme of "If you wanted to be entertained by a reality show in the White House, you ain't seen shit".

Another good possibility would be Alec Baldwin running as his Trump character he portrays on SNL. Think about it. That would be some good stuff.

Al Franken could run as a comedian only. Don't even mention he's been a 2 term US Senator, as it would most likely be held against him. But not as a pure comedian, not in this climate! A Jon Stewart/Stephen Colbert ticket would be even better.

And finally, maybe just nominate a Weiner/Holder ticket, or Franken/Stein, and get in the bumper sticker business!


Edit: Spelling

Are any of these Democrats moderate? If so, they could be easy contenders. If you put a far-left, polarizing figure up, how does that do the country any good?

In other words, will any of these candidates pander towards the masses, rather than the small portion of ultra-liberal constituents?

 

[Morrison]

Are any of these Democrats moderate? If so, they could be easy contenders. If you put a far-left, polarizing figure up, how does that do the country any good?

In other words, will any of these candidates pander towards the masses, rather than the small portion of ultra-liberal constituents?

Well, the Republicans sure put up a far right, polarizing figure. He was so far right, he almost touches the left. We all know politicians can change their stripes to suit the political climate of the time. Most people on the list would be considered moderate enough to appeal to the masses, with the possible exceptions of Warren, Merkley, and Perez. Classic moderates would be Kaine, Gillibrand, Harris, Heinrich, and Bullock. The only polarizing figure on the list is Warren, IMO.

 

[Morrison]

I don't think she would win it. Not moderate or charismatic enough.

I agree today. But, I could see a scenario in 4 years where she could be very appealing in her Upper Midwest, bohemian, school teacher kind of appeal. I'm taking into account, my belief that 4 years of Trump's style will wear people out, and a respected, quiet, competent candidate could be very appealing.

 

[mjvcaj]

I agree today. But, I could see a scenario in 4 years where she could be very appealing in her Upper Midwest, bohemian, school teacher kind of appeal. I'm taking into account, my belief that 4 years of Trump's style will wear people out, and a respected, quiet, competent candidate could be very appealing.

The good thing about Amy is her past legal experience is a bonus IMO, particularly when it comes to working with Congress to change/amend legislation on the criminal side.

 

[mjvcaj]

Well, the Republicans sure put up a far right, polarizing figure. He was so far right, he almost touches the left. We all know politicians can change their stripes to suit the political climate of the time. Most people on the list would be considered moderate enough to appeal to the masses, with the possible exceptions of Warren, Merkley, and Perez. Classic moderates would be Kaine, Gillibrand, Harris, Heinrich, and Bullock. The only polarizing figure on the list is Warren, IMO.

I'm not defending the idiotic GOP. Both parties are exactly what is wrong with this country and why the majority of Americans get left in the dust after the far left and far right battle every couple of years.

But, as you suggest, Trump is a unique character. IMO, he's less to the right than say Ted Cruz. While that may not mean much, it is meaningful, given Cruz was the established, right-wing option.

 

[Morrison]

I'm not defending the idiotic GOP. Both parties are exactly what is wrong with this country and why the majority of Americans get left in the dust after the far left and far right battle every couple of years.

But, as you suggest, Trump is a unique character. IMO, he's less to the right than say Ted Cruz. While that may not mean much, it is meaningful, given Cruz was the established, right-wing option.

Tell me the truth. Do classical conservatives dream of Trump being impeached early in his Administration? He pulled a rabbit out of the hat with a stunning win of both the Presidency, and both houses of Congress. It seems like a dream scenario for true conservatives to have Pence and someone like Haley in the White House, with Ryan and McConnell pushing through their agenda. House money.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I'm not defending the idiotic GOP. Both parties are exactly what is wrong with this country and why the majority of Americans get left in the dust after the far left and far right battle every couple of years.

But, as you suggest, Trump is a unique character. IMO, he's less to the right than say Ted Cruz. While that may not mean much, it is meaningful, given Cruz was the established, right-wing option.

I think Trump is good evidence that your traditional extreme-moderate scale is outdated. His positions defy placement on a simple left-right axis. So was Bernie. He's certainly not very moderate, but he had broader appeal than just about any candidate on either party. Sure, some of that appeal would have eroded in a general election campaign, but it's still worth noticing that he was popular among a certain demographic that Hillary sucked at - blue collar white rust belt labor - that itself isn't exactly far left wing.

I think more and more Americans are looking at the parties in a way that doesn't divide them between left and right. I'm still not entirely sure what the new paradigm will look like, but if it's anything like a populist-elite dichotomy, I think populism can come from anywhere on the political scale, and political success will have less to do with ideology, and more to do with politicians convincing us they care about "regular people."

 

[dahldc]

Tell me the truth. Do classical conservatives dream of Trump being impeached early in his Administration? He pulled a rabbit out of the hat with a stunning win of both the Presidency, and both houses of Congress. It seems like a dream scenario for true conservatives to have Pence and someone like Haley in the White House, with Ryan and McConnell pushing through their agenda. House money.

I've long said that DJT will resign before 2020 gets here. Leaving Pence as our POTUS, and both Houses controlled by the GOP.

It would be nightmare to those of us on the left.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I think it was Goat who pointed out in a thread earlier this week, that the Democrats "short bench" is not based in reality. He is correct. Quality over quantity is the reality. I've put together my list of possibilities, and their chances as of now. Again, this is just my opinion, and even that could change by tomorrow. When you are looking at four years of being lead by a person as despicable as DJT, it's never too early to look to the next election. I do not think Bernie will run, so I left him off this list. He will however, be the ultimate "King maker", and his endorsement will be sought by everyone on this list.

1. Elizabeth Warren, 67, the obvious early front runner should she decide to run, and I think she will. Not my first choice, as I think she would wear on people over a long campaign. A true liberal, but her life story hardly seems authentic to working class people. I don't think she gets Bernie's endorsement however.

2. Cory Booker, 47, an electric speaker that is more moderate than his image. He is a social media star, that would excite the base. Would the country and Trump's "White America" be over their trauma of Obama being in the office for 8 years this soon? It could actually help Booker, if people long for Obama after 4 years of Trump.

3. Tim Kaine, 58, ran on a losing ticket, but after 4 years of loud, brash, in your face Trumpism, the country could be looking for an honest, competent, Jesuit to lead us.

4. Martin O'Malley, 53, ran a most uninspiring campaign for the Democratic nomination from a person that is a progressive, Kennedyesque, successful Governor. He has the chops to take on Trump head on, and has the time to start immediately.

5. Amy Klobuchar, 56, has long aspired to greater things than the US Senate. Very popular in Minnesota, and highly regarded on both sides of the aisle. She already has visits to Iowa set up, and could have a head start in her neighboring state. She has a legitimate shot to win the thing.

6. Chris Murphy, 43, is a rising progressive star in the Senate, and would be one of the most likely candidates that Bernie would throw his weight behind.

7. Jeff Merkley, 60, was the earliest backer of his friend Bernie this cycle, and Bernie could return the favor in 2020.

8. Kirsten Gillibrand, 49, was appointed to Hillary's Senate seat 8 years ago. She is a prolific fund raiser, and has admirers from both sides of the aisle.

9. Kamela Harris, 51, newly elected Senator from California has always had those whispers out here of "She's going to be POTUS one day". Most likely an A list VP choice in 2020.

10. Tim Ryan, 43, ran against Pelosi for Minority Leader to raise his profile and name recognition for a possible Ohio Governor race in 2018. If he were to run and win that office, he shoots up toward the top of this list. He's been a popular Congressman in the working class district of Northeast Ohio for 14 years.

11. Sherrod Brown, 63, has the credibility with the working class voter to bring the Trump charade to light.

12. Al Franken, 65, has already set up a Franken 2020 site, but I doubt he would run if Klobuchar makes a go of it.

13. Tom Perez, 54, the population Labor Secretary should be the DNC chair, but will most likely run for Governor of Maryland in 2 years, raising his national profile.

14. John Hickenlooper, 64, is the former mayor of Denver, and popular Governor of Colorado.

15. Steve Bullock, 50, is a popular 2 term Governor of red state Montana. An honest Bill Clinton.

16. Martin Heinrich, 44, Senator from New Mexico is young, handsome, and a leader on the environment.

17. Catherine Cortez Masto, 52, is Harry Reid's newly elected Senator from Nevada, and is an Hispanic female.

18. Andrew Cuomo, 58, would have been farther up this list if not for recent corruption charges against some of his New York staffers.

19. Julian/Juaquin Castro, 41, the Texas twins will be on the stage for the long haul, with Julian an early favorite as HRC's VP this cycle. His brother has more substance.

20. Tulsi Gabbard, 35, should have parlayed her resignation as vice chair of the DNC into a solid future within the party. She is trying to move too quick, as evident by her meeting with Trump after the election. Not a good look.

I'm sure some of you are looking at my list, and saying WTF? It's ok, I value all opinions and enjoy learning from your responses as well.

With the current political climate in the US, the Democratic Party may nominate Kanye and Kim as the ticket in 2020. Thay could campaign on a theme of "If you wanted to be entertained by a reality show in the White House, you ain't seen shit".

Another good possibility would be Alec Baldwin running as his Trump character he portrays on SNL. Think about it. That would be some good stuff.

Al Franken could run as a comedian only. Don't even mention he's been a 2 term US Senator, as it would most likely be held against him. But not as a pure comedian, not in this climate! A Jon Stewart/Stephen Colbert ticket would be even better.

And finally, maybe just nominate a Weiner/Holder ticket, or Franken/Stein, and get in the bumper sticker business!


Edit: Spelling

I think that's a pretty decent list. At this moment, I think the best bet is probably one of the Buckeyes, but I think Kaine or Hickenlooper would each be a good candidate, too.

 

[toastedbread]

I think that's a pretty decent list. At this moment, I think the best bet is probably one of the Buckeyes, but I think Kaine or Hickenlooper would each be a good candidate, too.

better have charisma. Kaine has none. Please tell me you werent serious with the kaine suggestion?

 

[Fro]

Someone will step up. There's been a few names floated out of left field that I think would be literally impossible for Trump to beat.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

better have charisma. Kaine has none. Please tell me you werent serious with the kaine suggestion?

Meh. I don't think Kaine is the dead fish some complain he is. But, fine, whatever, drop him from the list. He'd be fourth out of my four, anyway. Brown, Ryan, Hickenlooper, in that order.

 

[twenty02]

What should be good for the Dems is that they DON'T have a predetermined candidate. Someone will emerge, and they'll emerge a lot stronger than Hillary could have ever imagined this cycle.

Going through a bruising primary usually helps, not hurts.

 

[twenty02]

Tell me the truth. Do classical conservatives dream of Trump being impeached early in his Administration? He pulled a rabbit out of the hat with a stunning win of both the Presidency, and both houses of Congress. It seems like a dream scenario for true conservatives to have Pence and someone like Haley in the White House, with Ryan and McConnell pushing through their agenda. House money.

Yes. Pence's social conservatism is a major turn-off to me, and I was planning to vote against him here in Indiana after RFRA. But he's miles better than Trump from a temperament perspective....which I highly value in a POTUS

 

[twenty02]

Meh. I don't think Kaine is the dead fish some complain he is. But, fine, whatever, drop him from the list. He'd be fourth out of my four, anyway. Brown, Ryan, Hickenlooper, in that order.

Brown....from Ohio?

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Brown....from Ohio?

Yep. I think he's one of the most likely possible candidates to win back labor voters Clinton lost to Trump.

 

[Morrison]

I think that's a pretty decent list. At this moment, I think the best bet is probably one of the Buckeyes, but I think Kaine or Hickenlooper would each be a good candidate, too.

I like a lot of them, especially Harris, Ryan, and Booker. I don't think we'll elect another black man this soon, however. Murphy has impressed me, since he's been doing the political show circuit lately.

Twenty makes a very good point in letting them fight it out in the primaries, and have someone who everyone can respect for having emerged from the battle, bruised, strong, and legitimate.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Hasn't this election proven it's impossible to predict? Who would have thought that a large number of people would think being a reality star/ businessman qualifies someone to be president? So who knows who is on deck at this point, in either party?

 

[UncleMark]

If this election, with Bernie and The Donald, has taught us anything it's that the public wants something different from what they've been offered in the past. Of course, things may change by 2020 and the electorate may pine for sane and stable, but Morrison's list is more of the same old conventional politicians working their way up the ladder.

I actually was hopeful for O'Malley this last cycle, and would like to see him go after it again. Klobuchar or Gillibrand would be solid as VP candidates. But if I could schedule the next election for March of 2017? I'd pick the least conventional politician of the bunch -- Al Franken. I think he'd be able to do a straight talking, no bullshit, tell it like it is and be willing to step on some toes type of campaign better than anyone else mentioned, and that seems to be the key today.

 

[sglowrider]

I don't follow

I am basically asking what are his electability attributes? I like him and think he has a shot, now enhanced a reaction to a post-trump/head trauma election in 2020.

 

[sglowrider]

Hasn't this election proven it's impossible to predict? Who would have thought that a large number of people would think being a reality star/ businessman qualifies someone to be president? So who knows who is on deck at this point, in either party?

Its just reactionary. People are angry that nothing had been done to fix things following a near economic crash -- which initially benefitted Wall Street kind but yet to trickle downstream. Following a Trump administration, I suspect there will need fixing again. Then the same problem of trickling or the lack of will face the next President.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

I am basically asking what are his electability attributes? I like him and think he has a shot, now enhanced a reaction to a post-trump/head trauma election in 2020.

He's incredibly smart, charismatic, candid, and comes across as a real person. His only hindrance is experience. He's a star-in-waiting, and he needs to stop being in-waiting soon.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

He's incredibly smart, charismatic, candid, and comes across as a real person. His only hindrance is experience. He's a star-in-waiting, and he needs to stop being in-waiting soon.

Didn't he just get past a sex scandal a few years ago?

I know it seems kind of silly to care about such things in this day and age, but I'd really like a home run for 2020. No baggage at all.