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Dear Mr Dolson, you already hired a gun slingin’ sh!t talkin’ gangster …

Again. Ole Miss has no reputation to tarnish, no one cares what they do. You think Kentucky, Louisville, and MIchigan just skipped over him last year? You think he would have said no to them. No, they know his reputation and said no thanks. Just as we will.
I’m sure Kentucky skipped over him because Beard wouldn’t want to stain his coaching reputation on the God forsaken place. With NIL, Kentucky can no longer reap the benefits of paying under the table.
 
It’s not as if I’m saying we should try to hire somebody with baggage. I’m saying, within reason, we shouldn’t let these things dictate the decision.

People at Auburn would get out their pitchforks if somebody came to hire Bruce Pearl away from them. Do you honestly think they care that he’s made a mistake? Hell no they don’t. The dude wins. His teams play hard. They consistently outperform the program’s historical level.

You want to think we’re better than they are…and that’s why we wouldn’t debase ourselves to hire a coach like that.

And that is the quintessential loser’s attitude. If we want to get the program back, we need to lose that attitude and let it stay lost.

This is a business filled with sharks and minnows. Well I’m tired of being a minnow swimming around with our chest out about how principled we are…just as we’re about to be swallowed up by a shark who doesn’t give a shit about these things.
Both of them have made more that one mistake and I know Auburn is thrilled with Pearl. The difference is that you seen to think that the only good coaches out there will likely have major character flaws. It’s not a losers attitude to want a decent human coaching and representing our university. I’m sorry you think character is for losers .
 
We don’t have a reputation to tarnish either. We used to, but that ship sailed a long time ago…mostly because we were more concerned with protecting our reputation (or what we thought our reputation was) than we were with winning.

Kentucky hired Calipari. Did he have skeletons in his closet when they did? Did doing so tarnish their reputation?
Yes we do have a reputation. You’re just being silly now. Yes, it did tarnish Kentucky. But we’ve always known Kentucky was slimy, haven’t we? But maybe they are trying to change since they didn’t look at Beard.
 
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I’ve got bad news for you, kraft: our reputation is as a has-been. And it, er, has been for quite a while.

Do you know why? Because attitudes like yours have prevailed. Our decision-makers have been committed to caring about more than just winning….things like not tarnishing a reputation we used to have a long time ago.

And look at where it’s gotten us. The only chance we have to recover is if the people who matter stop thinking like you do.
What a quandary: agreeing with Kraft Macaroni and Boogers and defending ethical behavior and reputation or agreeing with the look the other way, and win ant all costs take. If we no longer care about reputation, then just throw a big bag of money at Kelvin Sampson.? He’s a winner who has never followed the rules and has had a show clause put against him. But of course it’s all about winning no matter how you do it.. SMFH.
 
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Both of them have made more that one mistake and I know Auburn is thrilled with Pearl. The difference is that you seen to think that the only good coaches out there will likely have major character flaws. It’s not a losers attitude to want a decent human coaching and representing our university. I’m sorry you think character is for losers .
But it is a losers attitude to suggest that those making the hire shouldn’t do their due diligence to interview ANY coach that can make the difference IU is looking for…
baggage or not. All they have to tell them after the interview is thanks but no thanks.
 
What a quandary: agreeing with Kraft Macaroni and Boogers and defending ethical behavior and reputation or agreeing with the look the other way, and win ant all costs take. If we no longer care about reputation, then just throw a big bag of money at Kelvin Sampson.? He’s a winner who has never followed the rules and has had a show clause put against him. But of course it’s all about winning no matter how you do it.. SMFH.

That’s where the game has gotten. And, if we’re honest, it got there a long time ago. We’ve been on the outside looking in because we’ve resisted joining it where it is. It makes us feel superior - even if we’re rarely watching Bracket Sunday and hoping for a single-digit seed when we are.

There are limits to this, of course. But, yes, we should hire somebody who insists on winning and won’t tolerate losing. That sort of attitude is contagious.

If we’d have hired Bruce Pearl back when I and many other people who had seen his USI teams play said we should, we’d be in a very different place today.

I’m sure everybody in the Auburn community is really sweating their precious reputation with a guy like that there.
 
But it is a losers attitude to suggest that those making the hire shouldn’t do their due diligence to interview ANY coach that can make the difference IU is looking for…
baggage or not. All they have to tell them after the interview is thanks but no thanks.
Fine talk to him. But my guess is they don’t need to. I’d imagine it’s a well known non secret in coaching and athletic department circles that he has more issues than those widely reported. That’s been speculated by several people.
 
Those coaches make you feel good right up and until they are sanctioned for ethics violations. But hey, everyone is doing it and we are the sanctimonious ones. Keep that in mind when you buy your next used car and it’s a lemon that they did didn’t tell you about..
 
We don’t have a reputation to tarnish either. We used to, but that ship sailed a long time ago…mostly because we were more concerned with protecting our reputation (or what we thought our reputation was) than we were with winning.

Kentucky hired Calipari. Did he have skeletons in his closet when they did? Did doing so tarnish their reputation?
Unlike most of the SEC members, IU does have a reputation as a respected university that holds itself to a high standard. You are proposing IU turn its back on its principles just to hire a low life woman beating alcoholic as its next basketball coach because you believe he would win and you do not care about the cost to the university in its reputation as an institution of higher learning. You just want a winning basketball team and don't care if you have to burn down every building on IU's campus to get it. Your priorities are more screwed up than I thought possible for an IU grad, as you CLAIM to be.
 
Unlike most of the SEC members, IU does have a reputation as a respected university that holds itself to a high standard. You are proposing IU turn its back on its principles just to hire a low life woman beating alcoholic as its next basketball coach because you believe he would win and you do not care about the cost to the university in its reputation as an institution of higher learning. You just want a winning basketball team and don't care if you have to burn down every building on IU's campus to get it. Your priorities are more screwed up than I thought possible for an IU grad, as you CLAIM to be.
To be fair, just read these boards. There are a surprising number of people who feel that way.
 
Why does Ole Miss have no reputation to tarnish?
They also have a long history as a cheating school that STILL loses and they have no academic reputation because they have very low standards, just what you and others are trying to pull all of IU down to. You don't care if IU sinks below Southern Indiana as a school as long as you get to watch a winning basketball team because THAT is IU's god granted RIGHT!!!!
 
To be fair, just read these boards. There are a surprising number of people who feel that way.
True, but I always assumed that is what you get from the IU fans that never went to a class on the Bloomington campus. ND and all their subway alums have the same type of characters that want to tear down the academic side of the house just to give them a better chance at having bragging rights about football............. SMDH
 
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Unlike most of the SEC members, IU does have a reputation as a respected university that holds itself to a high standard. You are proposing IU turn its back on its principles just to hire a low life woman beating alcoholic as its next basketball coach because you believe he would win and you do not care about the cost to the university in its reputation as an institution of higher learning. You just want a winning basketball team and don't care if you have to burn down every building on IU's campus to get it. Your priorities are more screwed up than I thought possible for an IU grad, as you CLAIM to be.
Lighten up Francis
 
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You just want a winning basketball team and don't care if you have to burn down every building on IU's campus to get it.
If the hire leads to a National Championship and Assembly Hall is spared from the fire, I could live with it.
 
Why? Because they’ve never been known for their basketball program and it has zero history.
So that means it's OK for them to hire someone you keep calling immoral, unethical, and lacking character?

You're confused. The rep of a winning basketball program has nothing to do with the upstanding moral character of its coaches. You're talking about two different things, while taking shots at another university that you think has no morals because it doesn't have a historic success in basketball. I can just hear their board of trustees in a meeting:

"should we hire this guy? We think he beat his girlfriend."

"Sure, who cares? we don't win much in basketball so no one will care."

If we had hired a football coach last year who you thought beat his wife, would you have cared? Would the fan base? The local media? Of course they would have, despite IU "never being know for" their football program and "zero history" there.
 
They also have a long history as a cheating school that STILL loses and they have no academic reputation because they have very low standards, just what you and others are trying to pull all of IU down to. You don't care if IU sinks below Southern Indiana as a school as long as you get to watch a winning basketball team because THAT is IU's god granted RIGHT!!!!
Why am I "trying to pull all of IU down?" Because I asked a question? Skip the ad hominem and try to focus on the topic at hand.

Your "reasoning" is as confused as zeke's. Why would a school's academic reputation* have anything to do with the moral character of its basketball coach?

Has Kansas's academic reputation sunk "below Southern Indiana" because they still have Bill Self? No.

Did Xavier's rankings slip because they rehired Sean Miller? No.

Did North Carolina's reputation as a superior academic public school (much higher renowned than Indiana) suffer when the cheating with made-up classes surface? No.

*Academic rep and moral "high standards" also don't necessarily go hand-in-hand. Check out the Water Cooler for discussion of the rampant anti-semitism on elite campuses and their cowardly administrations.
 
Unlike most of the SEC members, IU does have a reputation as a respected university that holds itself to a high standard. You are proposing IU turn its back on its principles just to hire a low life woman beating alcoholic as its next basketball coach because you believe he would win and you do not care about the cost to the university in its reputation as an institution of higher learning. You just want a winning basketball team and don't care if you have to burn down every building on IU's campus to get it. Your priorities are more screwed up than I thought possible for an IU grad, as you CLAIM to be.
Lighten up Francis
True, but I always assumed that is what you get from the IU fans that never went to a class on the Bloomington campus. ND and all their subway alums have the same type of characters that want to tear down the academic side of the house just to give them a better chance at having bragging rights about football............. SMDH
Mikey, what years were you in class on IU campus?
 
Never, I had the good graces to get both of my degrees from Purdue, thank you very much.
😂😂😂😂 So why are you on this board flapping your gums about IU? Wow, what a life you must live trying to spread your gospel on an IU forum. But at least you have those two degrees to fall back on.
 
I’ve counted 3 so far
1, 2, Many-ancient counting system

Bummer about canceling the entire state of Mississippi but sounds like it is populated by a lesser class of people. Someone needs to cancel William Faulkner’s Nobel Prize for Literature pronto. His writing has been irredeemably tainted by the Beard hire.
 
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1, 2, Many-ancient counting system

Bummer about canceling the entire state of Mississippi but sounds like it is populated by a lesser class of people. Someone needs to cancel William Faulkner’s Nobel Prize for Literature pronto.

Fine talk to him. But my guess is they don’t need to. I’d imagine it’s a well known non secret in coaching and athletic department circles that he has more issues than those widely reported. That’s been speculated by several people.
I’m sorry, I forgot. I did hear that he has an issue with toe nail fungus.. but as you said, not widely reported.
 
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Dusty May please! If we take our best shot there and miss, I will be even more pissed about last year. But Beard would be better than many other options.
 
Dusty May please! If we take our best shot there and miss, I will be even more pissed about last year. But Beard would be better than many other options.
I like Dusty too, and he probably has that Bobby Knight attitude about winning after student managing under him. But since Michigan was the first to give him the big chance, he may want to start his own legacy. But then again he may feel obligated to go back to the place that gave him the first chance to get involved in what he really loved.
 
I like Dusty too, and he probably has that Bobby Knight attitude about winning after student managing under him. But since Michigan was the first to give him the big chance, he may want to start his own legacy. But then again he may feel obligated to go back to the place that gave him the first chance to get involved in what he really loved.
McCollum, Beard, May… I’ll take whichever one would want to be at IU, and whoever Dolson/Whitten feel will bring back or restart a winning IU culture. Last words:
GO HOOSIERS!!!
 
Why am I "trying to pull all of IU down?" Because I asked a question? Skip the ad hominem and try to focus on the topic at hand.

Your "reasoning" is as confused as zeke's. Why would a school's academic reputation* have anything to do with the moral character of its basketball coach?

Has Kansas's academic reputation sunk "below Southern Indiana" because they still have Bill Self? No.

Did Xavier's rankings slip because they rehired Sean Miller? No.

Did North Carolina's reputation as a superior academic public school (much higher renowned than Indiana) suffer when the cheating with made-up classes surface? No.

*Academic rep and moral "high standards" also don't necessarily go hand-in-hand. Check out the Water Cooler for discussion of the rampant anti-semitism on elite campuses and their cowardly administrations.
Whhaaatt??? North Carolina had made up classes? It’s got to be Jordan and the shoes. Early NIL…free non-classes
 
I am starting to get bummed now. Without Mississippi, the United States would not have a major river running through it, and the band Mountain would have never written a great song called Mississippi Queen
And that garbage program in Mississippi whipped their holier than thou program in Puerto Rico in 2009 in their only meeting.
 
I should also say…I’m not advocating hiring a cheater. I’m advocating hiring the kind of coach who will not rest and will simply not accept losing, lazy play, repeated mistakes, bad decisions on the floor, bad attitudes on or off it, players who put other interests above basketball.

I’m advocating a coach who will recognize the culture of mediocrity that has consumed IU MBB, get rid of everybody who feels comfortable in that culture, and will basically come in like a bull in a china shop to instill a new one that bears little resemblance to the old one.

We need a hard reset. Or we will continue getting the crap results we’ve been getting.

We could have fought the NCAA, except there was one small problem nobody ever brings up.... he lied about those phone calls after being on probation for those very things.

Don't lie, fall on your sword and see what happens. He forced our hand.

Its not hard to figure out.
 
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So that means it's OK for them to hire someone you keep calling immoral, unethical, and lacking character?

You're confused. The rep of a winning basketball program has nothing to do with the upstanding moral character of its coaches. You're talking about two different things, while taking shots at another university that you think has no morals because it doesn't have a historic success in basketball. I can just hear their board of trustees in a meeting:

"should we hire this guy? We think he beat his girlfriend."

"Sure, who cares? we don't win much in basketball so no one will care."

If we had hired a football coach last year who you thought beat his wife, would you have cared? Would the fan base? The local media? Of course they would have, despite IU "never being know for" their football program and "zero history" there.

Here's an angle to I've thrown out there that nobody seems to think about.

This is gonna be Dolson's hire. He gets to choose who is the coach. I'm sure he's under immense pressure to hire the correct guy.

With all the coaches in the world, and this being a top 10 job in America (and yes, just because we've made terrible coaching hires doesn't negate what we have to offer in terms of resources, NIL, facilities, ect), why would Dolson take a risk on someone that has that kind of baggage?

Sure, it could absolutely go perfectly fine with no hiccups, but if it doesn't, oh buddy, the backlash that would come down would be like no other.

I've heard Dolson isn't gonna risk putting the university in that situation when there are other routes to go.
 
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