If Beard has another incident then Dolson is out the door with him. I'm **very** unconvinced Beard is that good of a coach. Plenty of capable options out there that Dolson should rather hitch his horse to especially if Cigs keeps winning.
Dear Mr Dolson, you already hired a gun slingin’ sh!t talkin’ gangster …
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Or the idea of hiring Kelvin Sampson when he had probation staring him in the face. IU would never do th…
What he can accomplish with these bare rosters is pretty crazy. Ole Miss is a weak roster and he somehow has them winning.
As far as we know, it was a one time event and his ex has said she started it and he was using self defense. I get that it sounds crazy but it's not like this is a guy that beat his ex-wife, other girlfriends, daughters, etc.
We care about more than just those things. Ole Miss is a garbage school in a garbage state and a historically garbage basketball program. No reputation to tarnish.
Hard to say. So many agents try to get their client’s name in the mix and in conversation so they can negotiate a better deal with their current university employer.
What reputation, our brand and reputation only exists with those who knew the Knight years like myself. We are a mediocre, middle of the road program who has regularly been taken to the shed by top teams. The rep is already tarnished
Oh, the hire itself wasn’t a mistake. Far from it.
I’ve got bad news for you, kraft: our reputation is as a has-been. And it, er, has been for quite a while.
Do you know why? Because attitudes like yours have prevailed. Our decision-makers have been committed to caring about more than just winning….things like not tarnishing a reputation we used to have a long time ago.
And look at where it’s gotten us. The only chance we have to recover is if the people who matter stop thinking like you do.
WRONG. Was student when Knight won championship in '81 and attended final 4 when won in '87
I know what the brand and rep was and what is now. Been consistently abused by NW and Wisky, NW was. door mats when IU was considered blue blood. We are not the program of 20 - 30 years ago so need to get off our high horse.
HE was not talking about the basketball program's reputation, he was talking about the university reputation. Ole miss is a garbage school. Athletic scandals hurt alumni giving to the university, by millions of dollars at high standards schools. You may only care about winning basketball and be willing to hire a scum bag that sullies the schools reputation just by walking on campus, but the people paid to protect the universty DO care about how they are perceived by their donors, peers and alumni. And having a winning basketball team is just not that damned important in the grand scheme of their responsibilities, nor should it be.
I’m not talking about the basketball program you dolt. Besides, we hired a known cheater, and it set us back further than we’ve ever been in the history of our program.
The mistake wasn’t hiring Sampson. It was, first, not managing him properly and then, second, firing him instead of fighting the NCAA.
Look at what Bill Self got away with at Kansas. Did they fire him? Nope. They fought back against the NCAA. And *that* is what a program committed to winning looks like.
Our program has been run by a bunch of beta males. And it goes all the way back to firing RMK just as the season was starting and then hiring a man who had never been a head coach at *any* level as his full-time replacement…because Kent Benson said they had to.
I should also say…I’m not advocating hiring a cheater. I’m advocating hiring the kind of coach who will not rest and will simply not accept losing, lazy play, repeated mistakes, bad decisions on the floor, bad attitudes on or off it, players who put other interests above basketball.
I’m advocating a coach who will recognize the culture of mediocrity that has consumed IU MBB, get rid of everybody who feels comfortable in that culture, and will basically come in like a bull in a china shop to instill a new one that bears little resemblance to the old one.
We need a hard reset. Or we will continue getting the crap results we’ve been getting.
That’s what Ole Miss fans were saying about IU football when we finally hit that great all time number of losses.
Stupid
WTF are you talking about? This take seems really naive.
Smpson was given a 5 year show cause for his blatant cheating. "Fighting" the NCAA at that point would have likely resulted in IU being only the second school EVER to get the death penalty.
Sorry, that was supposed to be a response for zeke. He states Dolson won’t even be making a call to Beard. I’m just curious as to how we’ll know if Dolson calls him or not. Zeke apparently knows a lot about not much.
No, that was in reference to the post asking why Ole Miss hired him if he has all this baggage. My response was they don’t care about the baggage, As you say they want to win, I think you can prove you want to win without hiring a woman beater with alcohol issues. I
Oh I do know a lot actually. Thanks. Spoke with a couple low level people in sports admin today at women’s game in a small group. Not a single one thought we would look at Beard ( group of men and women, FTR).
Not true. It’s not going to stay that way forever, but Indiana is still mentioned constantly for their reputation as a blue blood.
Ulrey, I can’t say I’m the least surprised you think beating women is funny. Not a bit surprised.
Doubtful. You gotta fight in this world. He could’ve and so could IU.
They may have gotten that penalty reduced…especially considering the rule was changed after the following season. But you never know unless you let the process play out instead of pulling a France at the first sign of trouble.
But, again, their mistake wasn’t hiring him. Their mistake was mismanaging him.
This has been discussed ad nauseum. Read the police report.
That’s so sad. We can’t win unless we hire a bad human. Somehow it’s a bad thing to want to hire a coach with some decent ethics and morals. You honestly, seriously think the reason we have not won is because after being burned once, we won’t hire someone witha boatload of baggage? Personally, I’m pretty sure we can find a good coach who doesn’t have the kind of baggage that both Pearl and Beard do.
All of that is fine. But evidently you don’t think we can find someone like that without significant issues. I think we can.
Has Ole Miss suffered for having hired Beard? No.
Do you think they’d fight to keep him if they knew he was being courted elsewhere?
Again. Ole Miss has no reputation to tarnish, no one cares what they do. You think Kentucky, Louisville, and MIchigan just skipped over him last year? You think he would have said no to them. No, they know his reputation and said no thanks. Just as we will.Has Ole Miss suffered for having hired Beard? No.
Do you think they’d fight to keep him if they knew he was being courted elsewhere?
Well there we have it. A couple people in sports admin say Beard won’t be called either. They probably talk to Dolson and Whitten every day then. Guess I’ll mark him off my possibility board.
It’s not as if I’m saying we should try to hire somebody with baggage. I’m saying, within reason, we shouldn’t let these things dictate the decision.
People at Auburn would get out their pitchforks if somebody came to hire Bruce Pearl away from them. Do you honestly think they care that he’s made a mistake? Hell no they don’t. The dude wins. His teams play hard. They consistently outperform the program’s historical level.
You want to think we’re better than they are…and that’s why we wouldn’t debase ourselves to hire a coach like that.
And that is the quintessential loser’s attitude. If we want to get the program back, we need to lose that attitude and let it stay lost.
This is a business filled with sharks and minnows. Well I’m tired of being a minnow swimming around with our chest out about how principled we are…just as we’re about to be swallowed up by a shark who doesn’t give a shit about these things.
We don’t have a reputation to tarnish either. We used to, but that ship sailed a long time ago…mostly because we were more concerned with protecting our reputation (or what we thought our reputation was) than we were with winning.
Kentucky hired Calipari. Did he have skeletons in his closet when they did? Did doing so tarnish their reputation?
