Davis, Crean, & Archie's records through the 23rd game of their 3rd seasons

[Jayhoosier83]

Mike Davis: 61-33 64% winning percentage

Tom Crean: 28-57 32% winning percentage (2008-09 to 2010-11 seasons)
Or if you want to go the "give him a pass the first 2 years" route: 59-32 64% winning percentage (2010-11 to 2012-13)

Archie Miller: 50-39 56% winning percentage

 

[bsmitty08]

Mike Davis: 61-33 64% winning percentage

Tom Crean: 28-57 32% winning percentage (2008-09 to 2010-11 seasons)
Or if you want to go the "give him a pass the first 2 years" route: 59-32 64% winning percentage (2010-11 to 2012-13)

Archie Miller: 50-39 56% winning percentage

Ouch! That is a sad state for such a storied program

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

Mike Davis: 61-33 64% winning percentage

Tom Crean: 28-57 32% winning percentage (2008-09 to 2010-11 seasons)
Or if you want to go the "give him a pass the first 2 years" route: 59-32 64% winning percentage (2010-11 to 2012-13)

Archie Miller: 50-39 56% winning percentage

In no way possible can you compare Davis’ 1st three seasons with Archie’s. Hell, MD’s first year he had Haston, Jeffries, Fife & Coverdale. Miller had Morgan, McSwain, Newkirk and Robert Johnson. Comparable?

 

[Jayhoosier83]

In no way possible can you compare Davis’ 1st three seasons with Archie’s. Hell, MD’s first year he had Haston, Jeffries, Fife & Coverdale. Miller had Morgan, McSwain, Newkirk and Robert Johnson. Comparable?

Good point. But, look at this point of their 3rd seasons with a couple of recruiting classes under their belts:

Mike Davis: 15-8 5-5 Big 10

Archie Miller: 15-8 5-7 Big 10

And I'd say the roster Davis' 3rd season was pretty similar to what Archie's working with this year
2002-03 Indiana Hoosiers Roster
Player
Jeff Newton
Bracey Wright
Tom Coverdale
Kyle Hornsby
George Leach
Marshall Strickland
A.J. Moye
Sean Kline
Donald Perry
Mike Roberts
Daryl Pegram
Ryan Tapak
Joe Haarman
Mark Johnson
Jason Stewart

 

[fkfootball]

Good point. But, look at this point of their 3rd seasons with a couple of recruiting classes under their belts:

Mike Davis: 15-8 5-5 Big 10

Archie Miller: 15-8 5-7 Big 10

And I'd say the roster Davis' 3rd season was pretty similar to what Archie's working with this year
2002-03 Indiana Hoosiers Roster
Player
Jeff Newton
Bracey Wright
Tom Coverdale
Kyle Hornsby
George Leach
Marshall Strickland
A.J. Moye
Sean Kline
Donald Perry
Mike Roberts
Daryl Pegram
Ryan Tapak
Joe Haarman
Mark Johnson
Jason Stewart

Davis had a way better roster. Coverdale, Hornsby, Wright, Newton, and Leach, would dominate the starting 5 on this team. I miss early 2000s IU.

 

[bailey777]

Mike Davis: 61-33 64% winning percentage

Tom Crean: 28-57 32% winning percentage (2008-09 to 2010-11 seasons)
Or if you want to go the "give him a pass the first 2 years" route: 59-32 64% winning percentage (2010-11 to 2012-13)

Archie Miller: 50-39 56% winning percentage

I look at tourney apperances

Davis had a way better roster. Coverdale, Hornsby, Wright, Newton, and Leach, would dominate the starting 5 on this team. I miss early 2000s IU.

Played a way tougher non conference though also.

 

[fpeaugh]

Best coaches since Knight:

1. Sampson
2. Crean
3. Davis
4. Archie

 

[edub72]

Agree with coach rankings.

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

And I'd say the roster Davis' 3rd season was pretty similar to what Archie's working with this year
2002-03 Indiana Hoosiers Roster
Player
Jeff Newton
Bracey Wright
Tom Coverdale
Kyle Hornsby
George Leach
Marshall Strickland
A.J. Moye
Sean Kline
Donald Perry
Mike Roberts
Daryl Pegram
Ryan Tapak
Joe Haarman
Mark Johnson
Jason Stewart

WHAT??!?!!?

Davis had 5th year seniors Coverdale and Hornsby, both good 3pt shooters. They had Bracey Wright, a top-5 recruit who was a shooter/scorer. Still had Jeff Newton, Moye & Leach.

Archie would SALIVATE to have that kind of talent, particularly Cov & Horny. He has Rob Phinisee with a lingering abdominal issue, a malcontent in Green (at least Bracey could score consistently), a promising but young (re: inconsistent) Franklin and a 200+ player in Durham (think Archie would trade for Marshall Strickland or Donald Perry?).

C’mon, Jay! Not saying Archie doesn’t need to do better. But you’re not comparing apples-to-apples.

 

[ufo33]

Archie may soon need a realtor.

 

[Cavanagh]

Good point. But, look at this point of their 3rd seasons with a couple of recruiting classes under their belts:

Mike Davis: 15-8 5-5 Big 10

Archie Miller: 15-8 5-7 Big 10

And I'd say the roster Davis' 3rd season was pretty similar to what Archie's working with this year
2002-03 Indiana Hoosiers Roster
Player
Jeff Newton
Bracey Wright
Tom Coverdale
Kyle Hornsby
George Leach
Marshall Strickland
A.J. Moye
Sean Kline
Donald Perry
Mike Roberts
Daryl Pegram
Ryan Tapak
Joe Haarman
Mark Johnson
Jason Stewart

Joe Haarman was a real three point threat, killer box outs as well.

I will be going to his wedding in April!

 

[Cavanagh]

WHAT??!?!!?

Davis had 5th year seniors Coverdale and Hornsby, both good 3pt shooters. They had Bracey Wright, a top-5 recruit who was a shooter/scorer. Still had Jeff Newton, Moye & Leach.

Archie would SALIVATE to have that kind of talent, particularly Cov & Horny. He has Rob Phinisee with a lingering abdominal issue, a malcontent in Green (at least Bracey could score consistently), a promising but young (re: inconsistent) Franklin and a 200+ player in Durham (think Archie would trade for Marshall Strickland or Donald Perry?).

C’mon, Jay! Not saying Archie doesn’t need to do better. But you’re not comparing apples-to-apples.

big red joe was the best player on that team.

 

[victorbear]

Best coaches since Knight:

1. Sampson
2. Crean
3. Davis
4. Archie

Actually Dakich might be number 4 then the midget

 

[Radio Zero]

Actually Dakich might be number 4 then the midget

Thanks for remembering Coach Dakich, vic! Great!

 

[SeaNap]

Best coaches since Knight:

1. Sampson
2. Crean
3. Davis
4. Archie

Davis received more hate hurtful email mail than Samson
and Crean could imagine. Even though this cause much
negative recruiting he still endured as a young coach with
no honeymoon period.

He was also very capable of bringing in elite IU type recruits
that fans would be very proud of who went to class and had
no discipline issues. Our last final four coach to date.

 

[birdforbogey]

Actually Dakich might be number 4 then the midget

Come on now, short people or vertically challenged. No M words here. The IU admin would not like that.

 

[birdforbogey]

Best coaches since Knight:

1. Sampson
2. Crean
3. Davis










4. Archie

FIFY

 

[abraxis]

Tel

Actually Dakich might be number 4 then the midget

Call a real midget that to his face and he'd probably gouge your eyes out with one hand while his other squeezed your testicles until you cried, "Goliath!"

 

[Radio Zero]

Tel

Call a real midget that to his face and he'd probably gouge your eyes out with one hand while his other squeezed your testicles until you cried, "Goliath!"

A real midget couldn’t reach both eyes and testes simultaneously. Don’t be silly.

 

[minneman]

A real midget couldn’t reach both eyes and testes simultaneously. Don’t be silly.

If your balls were being squeezed you'd bend over in agony and the midget would then be able to reach the eyes.

 

[Radio Zero]

If your balls were being squeezed you'd bend over in agony and the midget would then be able to reach the eyes.

Whoa. Hadn’t considered that. Midgets do truly wield immense power, it appears.

Terrifying.

 

[Columbus-Boiler]

Good point. But, look at this point of their 3rd seasons with a couple of recruiting classes under their belts:

Mike Davis: 15-8 5-5 Big 10

Archie Miller: 15-8 5-7 Big 10

And I'd say the roster Davis' 3rd season was pretty similar to what Archie's working with this year
2002-03 Indiana Hoosiers Roster
Player
Jeff Newton
Bracey Wright
Tom Coverdale
Kyle Hornsby
George Leach
Marshall Strickland
A.J. Moye
Sean Kline
Donald Perry
Mike Roberts
Daryl Pegram
Ryan Tapak
Joe Haarman
Mark Johnson
Jason Stewart

So does this mean Archie is fine and the data supports it, or that all 3 of them were bad hires?

 

[Columbus-Boiler]

What would the record be THIS year if each of the previous post-knight coaches had stayed through this year after they were hired?

I think Sampson would be doing the best, but I think Davis would have found himself and been second.

 

[fpeaugh]

Davis received more hate hurtful email mail than Samson
and Crean could imagine. Even though this cause much
negative recruiting he still endured as a young coach with
no honeymoon period.

He was also very capable of bringing in elite IU type recruits
that fans would be very proud of who went to class and had
no discipline issues. Our last final four coach to date.

He’s definitely underrated among IU fans.

 

[fpeaugh]

FIFY

I don’t know what that means.

 

[Harry Hondo]

Tasmanian Devil said:

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In no way possible can you compare Davis’ 1st three seasons with Archie’s. Hell, MD’s first year he had Haston, Jeffries, Fife & Coverdale. Miller had Morgan, McSwain, Newkirk and Robert Johnson. Comparable?

Good point. But, look at this point of their 3rd seasons with a couple of recruiting classes under their belts:

Mike Davis: 15-8 5-5 Big 10

Archie Miller: 15-8 5-7 Big 10

And I'd say the roster Davis' 3rd season was pretty similar to what Archie's working with this year
2002-03 Indiana Hoosiers Roster
Player
Jeff Newton
Bracey Wright
Tom Coverdale
Kyle Hornsby
George Leach
Marshall Strickland
A.J. Moye
Sean Kline
Donald Perry
Mike Roberts
Daryl Pegram
Ryan Tapak
Joe Haarman
Mark Johnson
Jason Stewart
[/quote]
There’s a few pretty good shooters in that list. Hornsby, Wright, Coverdale could all shoot pretty well. Archie has zero shooters.

 

[Jayhoosier83]

Good point. But, look at this point of their 3rd seasons with a couple of recruiting classes under their belts:

Mike Davis: 15-8 5-5 Big 10

Archie Miller: 15-8 5-7 Big 10

And I'd say the roster Davis' 3rd season was pretty similar to what Archie's working with this year
2002-03 Indiana Hoosiers Roster
Player
Jeff Newton
Bracey Wright
Tom Coverdale
Kyle Hornsby
George Leach
Marshall Strickland
A.J. Moye
Sean Kline
Donald Perry
Mike Roberts
Daryl Pegram
Ryan Tapak
Joe Haarman
Mark Johnson
Jason Stewart

There’s a few pretty good shooters in that list. Hornsby, Wright, Coverdale could all shoot pretty well. Archie has zero shooters.[/QUOTE]

I remember Hornsby being our 3 point specialist and Bracey being our main scoring threat, but don't really remember Coverdale being much of a shooter (by that, I mean looking to score) and more as a hard nosed floor general.

 

[Jayhoosier83]

So does this mean Archie is fine and the data supports it, or that all 3 of them were bad hires?

I think I was just trying to show that Archie really hasn't been any better than the last two post-Knight coaches that have made it this far. People always like to make the "Archie can coach, he took Dayton to the Elite 8 one year" statement, but don't remember or realize Dayton didn't make it out of the 1st weekend of the tournament the last 3 years Archie was there (lost in 2nd round in 2014-15 and the 1st round in 2015-16 and '16-17). Had we kept Crean around for 2017-18 and Dayton had lost in the 1st round again, or failed to make the tournament that year, would people still have been as high as they were on making him the next coach?

 

[Columbus-Boiler]

I think I was just trying to show that Archie really hasn't been any better than the last two post-Knight coaches that have made it this far. People always like to make the "Archie can coach, he took Dayton to the Elite 8 one year" statement, but don't remember or realize Dayton didn't make it out of the 1st weekend of the tournament the last 3 years Archie was there (lost in 2nd round in 2014-15 and the 1st round in 2015-16 and '16-17). Had we kept Crean around for 2017-18 and Dayton had lost in the 1st round again, or failed to make the tournament that year, would people still have been as high as they were on making him the next coach?

Good point. There are coaches who have earned the term "good hire" even if coming off a bad year at their former position. Then there are others who probably wouldn't have gotten the nod with just a few more losses in their last year at their prior job. They say timing is everything in a career.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Best coaches since Knight:

1. Sampson
2. Crean
3. Davis
4. Archie

No IU grad would put Sampson at the top. he is dead last on any list

 

[fpeaugh]

No IU grad would put Sampson at the top. he is dead last on any list

There you go back to your false narrative that IU alumni have some sort of moral superiority. Which is a complete joke.

Sampson was and still is a great coach. He made too many phone calls, he didn’t commit murder. Come back down from your high horse. Any objective IU alum will say he’s been our best basketball coach since RMK.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

There you go back to your false narrative that IU alumni have some sort of moral superiority. Which is a complete joke.

Sampson was and still is a great coach. He made too many phone calls, he didn’t commit murder. Come back down from your high horse. Any objective IU alum will say he’s been our best basketball coach since RMK.

Don't change the subject again clown. Phone calls were one thing what really upset the alumni were the lack of academics and drugs. This was explained to you before and I won't do it again.

Try your crap on someone else Twin....like GBI

 

[Birnk403]

There you go back to your false narrative that IU alumni have some sort of moral superiority. Which is a complete joke.

Sampson was and still is a great coach. He made too many phone calls, he didn’t commit murder. Come back down from your high horse. Any objective IU alum will say he’s been our best basketball coach since RMK.

He’s not an IU alum. I already exposed that falsehood.

 

[Radio Zero]

He’s not an IU alum. I already exposed that falsehood.

You having a good V-Day, chief?

 

[rocketo]

Mike Davis: 61-33 64% winning percentage

Tom Crean: 28-57 32% winning percentage (2008-09 to 2010-11 seasons)
Or if you want to go the "give him a pass the first 2 years" route: 59-32 64% winning percentage (2010-11 to 2012-13)

Archie Miller: 50-39 56% winning percentage

Mike Davis took over a great team! Crean took over a dumpster fire. Archie took over a team on the down slide. Not a single situation was the same. Point?

 

[Birnk403]

You having a good V-Day, chief?

One of the top three ever.

 

[Radio Zero]

One of the top three ever.

Nice.

Me too.

My ladywife doesn’t care about doing stuff for it, so I just laid around in my sweats all day. Score!

 

[Jayhoosier83]

Mike Davis took over a great team! Crean took over a dumpster fire. Archie took over a team on the down slide. Not a single situation was the same. Point?

Point isn't what they walked into, it's what they did with what they had (not much) and how Archie hasn't been much better so far. Mike Davis wasn't able to sustain the level of success (moderate as it may have been the last few years of Bob Knight). Crean, I know, I know 2 Big 10 titles and 3 sweet 16 appearances while he was here, finished 7th or worse in the conference 6 of his 9 years. Archie's haven't looked much different than Crean's teams occasionally with undisciplined play, giving up when things aren't going their way, etc. The win last night was good, and could be what starts off a push to make the tournament, but we certainly didn't look like "world beaters" and haven't all year.

 

[BaxterIU]

Davis received more hate hurtful email mail than Samson
and Crean could imagine. Even though this cause much
negative recruiting he still endured as a young coach with
no honeymoon period.

He was also very capable of bringing in elite IU type recruits
that fans would be very proud of who went to class and had
no discipline issues. Our last final four coach to date.

And EXACTLY how do you know how much hurtful email Davis received?
Were you his personal assistant?

 

[rocketo]

Point isn't what they walked into, it's what they did with what they had (not much) and how Archie hasn't been much better so far. Mike Davis wasn't able to sustain the level of success (moderate as it may have been the last few years of Bob Knight). Crean, I know, I know 2 Big 10 titles and 3 sweet 16 appearances while he was here, finished 7th or worse in the conference 6 of his 9 years. Archie's haven't looked much different than Crean's teams occasionally with undisciplined play, giving up when things aren't going their way, etc. The win last night was good, and could be what starts off a push to make the tournament, but we certainly didn't look like "world beaters" and haven't all year.

Take 3 top sprinters. Give one a 5 foot head start and another a 10 foot head start. Who you betting on? Starting point matters. And nobody totally sold on Archie. Just trying to figure out your point.