gotta give the new coach the benefit of the doubt until we see the finished product on the floor.
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Conwell to Louisville?
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It was too good to be true. A guard with actual shooting skills.
The portal is an auction. Of course we were interested. The question isn’t did we want him, the question is were we going to pay the auction price for this player, or spend that money differently. We have as much money to spend as anyone.
We WILL chase high dollar talent, we have to because:
1. The boosters will make sure of it
2. The players know that IU has the money to spend and we haven’t established any other reason to come here.
3. We are relying on the portal, and that’s the game.
So as of today we still need 11 players by my count unless he does not fill up the roster. I guess we just wait.
Yes we wait.
What’s more fun:
Reading posts about how great we are going to be with all our talent (the typical offseason here)
Or
speculating on who we actually get?
It’s early, and we should have a solid month of entertainment here before the summer doldrums kick in.
I guess its early but lots of these guys are going pretty fast. I honestly am not sure we will even need this crazy NIL figure at IU because I am not sure he will be going after the big huge money guys.
I think with as much NIL capacity as most think we have...you almost have to assume Conwell not choosing IU was more about the "fit"...than it was about the "bag". Because I'm sure if DeVries ended up thinking he was a good fit, as good a player as Conwell has proven to be, IU wouldn't have been outbid.
According to the departing players bad fans and death threats. Another thanks to Woodson’s schemings.
These guys must be eternally grateful the amount of money he threw their way.
These guys must be eternally grateful the amount of money he threw their way.
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I don't know. Everyone thinks we have a ton of $$ and I'd guess we are at the top half, but I'm not sure it's as much as folks think. We're starting over, so basically everyone but Sisley is getting "new market value". Last year Ballo we were told was our highest paid player at 1.5 mill and Conwell is asking 2 mill. Bidunga, my guess is above that. If our total bankroll with NIL and Rev share is really in the $11 mill range, you pay a couple guys 2 mill, you're running out of cash quick. Plus, no one is factoring in Tucker DeVries. Guarantee he's not playing for nothing and I'd guess is going to cost us in the 1.5-2mill range. I'm doubtful is Dad is going to short him, but maybe his deal will be inked at the end to allow maximum flexibility.
Maybe. Or $2 mil was all we were going to pay.
If I’m him, I’m taking the extra million and saying it was a better “fit”.
If we can go that high...we can go higher... I VERY strongly suspect that to be true. I don't think there's a set number. There's a rough capacity or range. And DeVries would be wise to manage it accordingly. But I put the odds at close to zero if at the end of this roster building cycle, if we're sitting at 11 million or so, roughly...and someone like Bidunga were to come along and command 2-3 million... And DeVries really wanted him... he'd get the "extra" money to make it happen.
Given the way this NIL is going no its now standard. Last year it was ballo getting 1.2 million now they are demanding at least 2 million. Next year they will be demanding at least 3 million. They will soon be making more than nba players at this rate and there will be no reason for any of them to go to the nba early. The first year of NIL was when TJD was a senior and he got like 250k I think. In three years the salaries have gone up 700%.
I 100% would take the extra million, and say it was coaching staff, fit, whatever.
My point was... if DeVries believed he was a great fit for his program, he probably would have "countered", matched, whatever, to make the money side not be a factor. Maybe this was a case where IU set the market, and Louisville raised it, and Conwell didn't give IU a chance to counter??? If that is the case, then Conwell probably wasn't all that high on IU.
All of this is why I think its probably as much more more about "fit" between Conwell and DeVries, than anything else.
Maybe, but the money side is a factor, for both sides.
Look at it from our staff’s pov. They need to fill a whole roster. Let’s say they thought he was a great fit, but it would take an extra million. He’s not the only piece. There will be a roster of players that they have to think will be great fit. You can’t just give each of them $1 million (or 50% more than what you wanted to offer) more. This isn’t Flagg we are talking about, he’s a good player, but he isn’t unique. And we have a roster to build.
I don't mind going with some unproven guys with upside like the FSU kid and the 6 8 D2 forward.........sign them up. Only thing is, this guy was billed as a "relentless recruiter" and we haven't even gotten any of his WV players/recruits. We couldn't make the final 3 on Sisley's Montverde buddy with Sisley touting us? False advertising.
Per the Daily Hoosier and Inside the Hall we're looking/have looked at at Enright; Conwell; Dix; Bidunga; T. Riley; S. Mack; R. Rice; and Freeman. And elsewhere I've seen Davis' name (FSU). That's not a very imposing wish list, imo. even if we got ALL of the last 5 it wouldn't be an impressive haul unless we get Dix or Bidunga. Are we recruiting any HS kids? It would make sense to go with about 6 more portal kids and maybe 3 HS kids and call it a day. Do we have any in mind? People have mentioned Singleton, Brisco...any interest there?
Bidunga has visa restrictions on NIL. He won't be expensive, but CDD might have to hire Drew Adams to seal the deal.
All good questions.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with being skeptical of the hire, IU has earned that.
We inked Enright, no?
IF we add Bidunga and Dix, that’s good.
Still, I’m fully in the wait and see mode, tilting towards a healthy dose of skepticism. I have seen many a person saying that they fully trust DeV. I’m not there. Because IU hasn’t earned that trust (from me), IMHO.
I tend to think we missed too... but I don't think of it as an indictment on Indiana or CDD.
For any portal recruit with 1 year left, you are asking for a leap of faith right now. Nobody knows who their teammates will be, or how they will fit until the roster starts taking more shape. For someone like Conwell, who has been to 4 places in 4 years, I would imagine he would want to really maximize his PT and final year. Already off the bat, we know Tucker De Vries will be the featured player.
UofL is in a much better position. they need one or 2 more pieces we need 10 when you start going to the money men on your 1st recruit that can be a problem. Devries is starting behind the 8 ball because he didn't bring multiple players or recruits with him. the successful 1st year coaches last year did.
if the money is equal and your Conwell the choice was obvious if you plan on being on a winning team your last season. the only draw Indiana had was that he's from Indianapolis.
You mean the rumor you made up? You’ve been nothing but negative since day one.
He actually has even offered high school kids. How do you know he wants any of the WV kids? What fits there may not fit here? How do you know we won’t get them? We got Ballo on April 15 last year. I think we have plenty of time to panic later instead of assuming the worst every single day. I guess some people prefer going through life with a black cloud over their head.
It's more that some people, after the last 8-10 years, want to see results, not talk and high hopes.
I understand that . But we have to wait a few more months to see any results, I guess we’ll just see a whole lot of bitching until then.
Who did Kelsey or Pope bring? Maybe they did, but I don't remember any Charleston players at Lville, or BYU guys at UK. Don't follow them religiously, but I think they were starting with pretty clean slates.
Reyne smith and James Scott from Charleston, pope brought Jaxson Robinson and flipped 2 recruits, not as many as I thought, Cal did raid UK and their recruits
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