All they care about is who is doing it, not what is being done…
Co-President Musk
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The resistance is shocking to me. A guy who will be worth a trillion dollars owes it to being a fanboi. Wtf. Dems….
Once you have captured social security numbers, health information, classified data, they cannot claw it back. Sure, you could hand over a copy. There are no guarantees there aren't copies made.
I’m not worried about it. Sorry. I trust musk’s people as much as the gov ees who already had them
What does his wealth mean. One easy question, is a wealthy person automatically moral?
You don’t become a person with that much wealth by being a fanboi.
I said nothing about fanboi, I said is a wealthy person automatically moral? There is no chance a wealthy person is immoral?
I flat out guarantee if his name were Soros everyone on your team would be angry. Wealth means one can make money. That is it, full stop
You replied to a post where I discussed his wealth in the context of being a fanboi. A guy who will be worth a trillion dollars owes same to being a fanboi?
Then you responded what does his wealth mean. The preceding fanboi was the context.
And no that is not full stop. He isn’t sitting home on a computer daytrading in solitude.
. He runs organizations. He built organizations. Monetized them. Made them valuable. Administration. That’s what the gov is. A collection of failing organizations. So perhaps someone who knows how to make organizations work would be of use. Time will tell if his process will translate.
As for soros I have no doubt there are areas in gov that he would have been very assistive. Promulgating social justice programs ain’t it
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MM66, a legit genius must pass the Mensa test as did a partner of mine.
Unfortunately my partner's check for joining Mensa bounced proving being a genius and having wealth aren't mutual.
You can still be conservative and not MAGA. Just as you can still be liberal and not woke.This is a major reason why I don't identify as a Republican anymore. Forget how stupid this is as I would be dollars to donuts that this kid doesn't know shit about **** when it comes to whatever he is asking these people about; let's just distill the energy behind this down to what it is intended to be:
Struggle session - Wikipedia
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We have removed the violence part (so far) but everything else is the same energy.
This movement has gone off the rails. This is just performative cruelty and class warfare dressed up to look like governance. **** MAGA. Took less than a month for this shit show to turn to the worst nature of any populist movement. I used to feel I was pretty conservative but I don't want any part of this assholery. The blow back on this when the other side regains power will reverberate for generations while MAGA seems intent on ensuring whatever good points they have had are going to be a fart in the wind because they are being duped into settling one guy's scores and feeding another guy's ego.
Pity. The movement actually had some good points but instead of intelligently addressing those they've turned the movement into monkeys flinging shit at the zoo.
I think there’s some of that to a degree. But by the same token it fuels the unfounded blowback. Trump and musk are not the same. Had Biden leaned on musk the response would be different from Dems. It’d be a welcome collaboration
Aren’t they holding funds for 90 days? That is within the executive purview based on the ICA?
The other stuff is them pointing out where some of this money has been and will continue to be spent.
They should not have access to sensitive treasury information and the judge was correct in blocking that but there is no way the treasury secretary should have been blocked
If Musk was paired with Biden and he brought a 19 year old kid who was fired from a job for spilling secrets and looks pretty credifiably linked to an online hacker group into OPM and the Treasury and plugged a private server into the systems of both of those agencies, Republicans would have lost their shit.
And if Biden said he was going to throw open the doors of the DoD in the not too distant future to let him do the same, those same Republicans would call it a National Security catastrophe. You know it and I know it. So because it is "our" team we are just going to throw all protocols out of the door? I said during the last administration that the way the Democrats were acting was going to bite them in the ass. That is kind of happening now. I am now telling Republicans that what is going on right now is going to also bite them in the ass. Every subsequent administration we have just seems hell bent to push the boundaries ever further.
In a nation of laws, the process matters.
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I know we rarely agree on policy, but I have to say I have mad respect for you on matters of political structural integrity. You have consistently not let yourself change directions on fundamentals based on partisan winds, and that's pretty rare here, on both my side and yours.
“No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law.”
Article I, Section 9, Clause 7
Congress has the budgetary authority.
Much of this is being judicially reviewed. As for process I agree with you completely. There’s no justification for circumvention when it can be done following proper procedures. And that also includes getting requisite background checks.
This is the rub where CEOs with fewer rules who aren’t used to asking permission run into gov
I think there’s more to it than that tho. I think even adhering to those structures we’d see resistance bc it’s trump. Bc it’s musk. There’s a knee jerk reaction that won’t subside after the courts make musk get notice and follow established procedures
Lame thinking what he accomplished is bc he’s a fanboi? Come on. You’re better than that
It's hyperbole. But you can't not admit that he gets away with shit nobody else would because of a cult like following
For sure. But the converse of same is the blowback that’s hyperbolic and/or premature bc they don’t like him.
He’s a weird dude. An ahole to boot. But I view it in the context of having a unique mind who would otherwise never have an interest in gov taking an interest. That’s a boon. He’s a disruptor. And we desperately need that. Mercy the other choice was Harris. As pedestrian and embedded in why our gov is failing as one could conceive
I’m willing to accept a bit of risk and grant some license
You’re worried Musk is copying SS #s and health info and secretly keeping it for himself?
Congress delegates authority to the executive all the time. They can budget $X for the purpose of Y, and then leave details to an administrator in the executive branch.
Harris (and Biden) were awful. Please never try to put me in a box with those people. Just because I don't like anything about the current regime means I by default support the opposite.
Of course there will be pushback and it isn't just because it is Trump or Musk, it is politics.
Now, I think the pushback is probably more harsh because of those two and frankly some of that they bring on themselves.
Ha ha....I have 4 boys. Elon's maturity level would fit in with the older 3. That wears thin on adults, particularly the ones all that juvenile sniping is aimed at (and I am certainly not a Pritzker fan). It is just as much that as anything that drives some of the distaste for him.
His drug use is more than a little concerning.
A Wall Street Journal investigation published in January 2024 reported executives and board members at Musk's companies have expressed concerns over his use of ketamine and other drugs, such as LSD, cocaine, ecstasy, psychedelic mushrooms and marijuana. The report claimed:
“People close to Musk said his drug use is ongoing, especially his consumption of ketamine, and that they are concerned it could cause a health crisis.”
Abusing ketamine can have serious consequences, according to the U.S. National Institute on Drug Abuse. It warns:
Remember, too, he has close ties with China and Russia. China law requires detailed, mandatory disclosures for companies doing business there. No chance, though, Excitable Elon or any of his 20-something minions will spill the beans to China or anyone else regarding the massive amount of sensitive data, some with national security implications, that he and his team are mining. Ha.
Have you not seen him in public? I don’t know if it’s autism or what but he is incredibly awkward. And the maturity level isn’t uncommon with brilliant people. My ex had a random older brother who never got anything but As. Ever. 4 years of UMSL. A in every class. Ph.D from MIT in nuclear physics. Post docs at MIT los alamos and incidentally iu. Guy was like being around a 2nd grader. Dumbest kid jokes. Inappropriate laughs. So hard to be around. 50 something years old and never had a gf. Oddness I think is common in that rarified intellect. So you get what you get with musk
Interpretation: Appropriations Clause | Constitution Center
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They don't have a whole lot of latitude. If Congress sends the Executive to the grocery to fund a hamburger dinner, the Executive better damn sure stay within the spending limits and come back with hamburgers and fixings. Now they can pick the brands, but the end product has to follow the instructions. They can't come back with chicken wings.
What's you opinion on impoundment? That's the bigger and most important issue we're facing.
Yeah, but that was my point. That drives some of the negative reaction to him.
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