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They tried to coverup Hur’s findings. “Memory Loss Requires Careful Diagnosis, Scientists Say”

“Verbal gaffe or sign of trouble. Mixing up names like Biden and Trump have done is pretty common”

“How your memory really works, and how it changes as you age”
So? I really don't get this seemingly terrified obsession with the media. Yes, we have media biased to the left and to the right and some that really try to do journalism without bias. Just deal with it and move on. I honestly hope that I didn't contribute to this unhealthy obsession with my criticism of liberal media bias over the years. I was never terrified of it for sure.
 
So? I really don't get this seemingly terrified obsession with the media. Yes, we have media biased to the left and to the right and some that really try to do journalism without bias. Just deal with it and move on. I honestly hope that I didn't contribute to this unhealthy obsession with my criticism of liberal media bias over the years. I was never terrified of it for sure.
We should want a honest media. Hell…here is the WAPO WH bureau chief on the same damn day the Hur transcript was released:

“Biden doesn’t come across as absent-minded as Hur has made him out to be…and Hur doesn’t appear as crass as Biden has made him out to be”

Look at that job title. They are a big reason to why the country is divided.
 
We should want a honest media. Hell…here is the WAPO WH bureau chief on the same damn day the Hur transcript was released:

“Biden doesn’t come across as absent-minded as Hur has made him out to be…and Hur doesn’t appear as crass as Biden has made him out to be”

Look at that job title. They are a big reason to why the country is divided.
Sure, we want an honest media. I think for the most part it is honest, but biased. I think the blame for minimizing Biden's decline rests mainly with the White House, Biden campaign and Democratic politicians. The media reported what they were told. And, as I said previously, we knew that Biden was physically and mentally declining because of the media. NONE of us on the WC has ever met Bidne or interacted with him so everything we know about him comes from the media. Of course, the editorialist in the media, including on TV, aren't held to the same journalistic standards and don't always stick to the facts or bother to hide their biases. That's also a left and right thing. Loved listening to Rush, but you had to understand everything he said came from his biases and the truth is that he didn't always stick to the facts either. Same happens on the left.

The country is divided because people on both sides think the other side is the enemy and that the media is on the other side. Check out Facebook and you'll see criticism of the media from the left that is pretty much identical to that from MAGA.
 
Sure, we want an honest media. I think for the most part it is honest, but biased. I think the blame for minimizing Biden's decline rests mainly with the White House, Biden campaign and Democratic politicians. The media reported what they were told. And, as I said previously, we knew that Biden was physically and mentally declining because of the media. NONE of us on the WC has ever met Bidne or interacted with him so everything we know about him comes from the media. Of course, the editorialist in the media, including on TV, aren't held to the same journalistic standards and don't always stick to the facts or bother to hide their biases. That's also a left and right thing. Loved listening to Rush, but you had to understand everything he said came from his biases and the truth is that he didn't always stick to the facts either. Same happens on the left.

The country is divided because people on both sides think the other side is the enemy and that the media is on the other side. Check out Facebook and you'll see criticism of the media from the left that is pretty much identical to that from MAGA.
The press members went after Hur. They should apologize. Obviously, administration officials and other Democrats went after him as well. Have you seen an apology?
 
His memory loss is a normal part of aging for many. Democratic politicians and those in the White House claimed Hur was acting politically and we heard that reported in the media - including Fox News. Republicans have always acknowledged the bias in the media and correctly criticized them for the bias, as I have. However, MAGA Republicans have taken that knowledge to unhealthy obsession level. It's like MAGA is absolutely terrified of the media and are unable to look past the bias to the facts. Seems very cowardly to me to be honest.
Just stop blaming Biden’s feeble- mindedness on aging. Biden has dementia, that ain’t aging. While some memory impairment is a normal part of aging, age-related memory loss is not disabling and doesn’t interfere with normal activities. Biden is obviouly different.

And recognizing this obvious fact in Biden is not a MAGA obsession. In fact the obsession ran 180 degrees opposite of what you claim. The legacy media never-Trumpers ( which approaches 100%) were so obsessed with not saying or doing anything that might help Trump or hurt Democrats, they not only never accurately reported about Biden’s dementia, many of them actively concealed it. The concealment even went to breaking the law when Garland defied a subpoena to release the Hur recordings. Remember Bannon went to prison for the exact same “crime”.
 
The press members went after Hur. They should apologize. Obviously, administration officials and other Democrats went after him as well. Have you seen an apology?
Once again, I just don't agree with you about journalists. They can only report what they're told about what's going on behind the scenes and attribute that to named and unnamed sources. There's no need to apologize for doing that honestly. The vast majority of the minimization effort by the Democrats was done by White House and campaign officials and Democratic politicians who wanted a Democrat to win the White House again in 2024. Do politicians ever apologize for being politicians?
 
Once again, I just don't agree with you about journalists. They can only report what they're told about what's going on behind the scenes and attribute that to named and unnamed sources. There's no need to apologize for doing that honestly. The vast majority of the minimization effort by the Democrats was done by White House and campaign officials and Democratic politicians who wanted a Democrat to win the White House again in 2024. Do politicians ever apologize for being politicians?
There was a coverup. There should be congressional hearings based on what was reported and what we heard with the release of the audio you posted
 
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Just stop blaming Biden’s feeble- mindedness on aging. Biden has dementia, that ain’t aging. While some memory impairment is a normal part of aging, age-related memory loss is not disabling and doesn’t interfere with normal activities. Biden is obviouly different.

And recognizing this obvious fact in Biden is not a MAGA obsession. In fact the obsession ran 180 degrees opposite of what you claim. The legacy media never-Trumpers ( which approaches 100%) were so obsessed with not saying or doing anything that might help Trump or hurt Democrats, they not only never accurately reported about Biden’s dementia, many of them actively concealed it. The concealment even went to breaking the law when Garland defied a subpoena to release the Hur recordings. Remember Bannon went to prison for the exact same “crime”.
I've actually said I thought he was in the beginning stages of dementia many times. I related it to what I saw in my father-in-law's decline as he aged and then his descent into dementia. Dementia comes with aging for those that get dementia. When I say aging, I'm not ruling out dementia at all, in fact I'm including that in Biden's case.

Recognizing his decline is not a MAGA obsession. I recognized and wrote about his decline many times. The MAGA obsession is their total fear of the media, and it's also the extreme exaggeration of Biden's declining condition. Most MAGAs act like Biden was a vegetable. He wasn't. The Tapper book doesn't go that far. The correct opinion, in my opinion, was that he was obviously declining and at some point in his second term would be unable to perform as President so he had to decline to run.

Maybe a law was broken, but you know I don't go for the idea that crimes are identical and that punishments must be identical. That's not the real world.
 
There was a coverup. There should be congressional hearings based on what was reported and what we heard with the release of the audio you posted
If we have congressional hearings and DOJ prosecutions for every Trump and MAGA grievance there will be no time for anything else.
 
Once again, I just don't agree with you about journalists. They can only report what they're told about what's going on behind the scenes and attribute that to named and unnamed sources. There's no need to apologize for doing that honestly. The vast majority of the minimization effort by the Democrats was done by White House and campaign officials and Democratic politicians who wanted a Democrat to win the White House again in 2024. Do politicians ever apologize for being politicians?
The best you can say about the journalists during this time is that they were deliberately indifferent to Biden’s feeble-mindednesss. I think a more reasonable explanation is that they actively 86’ed the story. They killed the story.

Garland and Smith indicted Trump for his “big lie” relying on a never-used KKK statute. The Big Lie about Biden is much worse and much more impactful. My fantasy would be to see indictments of the Biden staff and compliant media using the same statute Garland used on Trump. Fun to think about, but it shouldn’t happen and shouldn’t have happened.
 
If we have congressional hearings and DOJ prosecutions for every Trump and MAGA grievance there will be no time for anything else.
I guess I put more weight on an honest media than you do. It’s extremely important to getting an actual conservative viewpoint out there. These people should be put under oath and made to answer questions about why they thought it necessary to lie about the situation. Go back and listen to the video you posted then go back and look at how the media and administration originally went after Hur. It’s not good for the country
 
The best you can say about the journalists during this time is that they were deliberately indifferent to Biden’s feeble-mindednesss. I think a more reasonable explanation is that they actively 86’ed the story. They killed the story.

Garland and Smith indicted Trump for his “big lie” relying on a never-used KKK statute. The Big Lie about Biden is much worse and much more impactful. My fantasy would be to see indictments of the Biden staff and compliant media using the same statute Garland used on Trump. Fun to think about, but it shouldn’t happen and shouldn’t have happened.
Absolutely disagree. The "Big Lie" will go down in history as one of the most consequential lies ever told by a President/former President. And there were crimes committed trying to overturn the election. It's not just this KKK thing you continually bring up. Did you read the indictment?

We all knew Biden was declining mentally and physically. We suspected that he probably had dementia. How could we possibly know that if we didn't see him and read about him in the media? The politicians tried to minimize it. There's no doubt about that. However, what crimes could they be charged with?
 
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Absolutely disagree. The "Big Lie" will go down in history as one of the most consequential lies ever told by a President/former President. And there were crimes committed trying to overturn the election. It's not just this KKK thing you continually bring up. Did you actually read the indictment.

We all knew Biden was declining mentally and physically. We suspected that he probably had dementia. How could we possibly know that if we didn't see him and read about him in the media. The politicians tried to minimize it. There's no doubt about that. However, what crimes could they be charged with.
Trump was charged under a 19th century KKK law alleging that his big lie and urging the electoral college to support him amounted to depravation of voter rights. The theory in Biden’s case would be Biden staff’s active concealment of vital information for election purposes is also depriving voters of rights.


Jack smith was unanimously rebuked for his excessive interpretation of bribery statutes in the former Va governor trial. He is not ethical and I wouldn’t expect his personality drafted indictment to be reliable.
 
Anyone who’s had parents that declined, as mine did, know well they have good days and bad days. Sometimes wild swings. I distinctly recall an interview with David Brooks (conservative) about 2 months before the debate debacle where he was asked about the president’s mental state, and if he was sharp enough to be the president. DB’s answer then was he had been around Biden a number of times recently and he felt he was mentally all there. My conclusion is that he had some really good days, and some really bad one ones, and DB only saw the good ones, and that not everyone was lying about it all the time. Of course we know he had a terrible day on the debate stage, and that was that.

Now we see trump falling asleep on the stage. I’m certain all of you that screamed ‘sleepy joe’ are now getting ready to shout ‘sleepy Don’.


 
Trump was charged under a 19th century KKK law alleging that his big lie and urging the electoral college to support him amounted to depravation of voter rights. The theory in Biden’s case would be Biden staff’s active concealment of vital information for election purposes is also depriving voters of rights.


Jack smith was unanimously rebuked for his excessive interpretation of bribery statutes in the former Va governor trial. He is not ethical and I wouldn’t expect his personality drafted indictment to be reliable.
You’ve fully adopted the MAGA trait of personally denigrating those perceived to be enemies of Trump. I’ve heard many conservative lawyers speak very positively of him and his abilities even if they disagreed with bringing that case. The strongest case was the documents case and Trump may have avoided conviction by winning the election.
 
Now we see trump falling asleep on the stage. I’m certain all of you that screamed ‘sleepy joe’ are now getting ready to shout ‘sleepy Don’.
Biden, Springsteen, Swift, Comey and the meaning of 86, the immigrant survivor show and Trump saying and doing stupid and/or obnoxious shit are all distractions from real issues. Distractions meant to offend us, flood the zone, and control the narrative. 10+ years of this Trump shit and people still don't get it.

It's a non issue at this point. What Biden did, what his mental state was is as important as what Woodson did as a coach and has no bearing on the current or future and it does not in any way validate or vindicate Trumpism. This whole thread can be summed up with one highly efficient accurate word. Dumb.
 
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The correct opinion, in my opinion, was that he was obviously declining and at some point in his second term would be unable to perform as President so he had to decline to run.
It's just my opinion but I don't believe he was capable to perform as president the last year or so he was president. I think his handlers propped him up to make it look like he was capable.
 
Biden, Springsteen, Swift, Comey and the meaning of 86, the immigrant survivor show and Trump saying and doing stupid and/or obnoxious shit are all distractions from real issues. Distractions meant to offend us, flood the zone, and control the narrative. 10+ years of this Trump shit and people still don't get it.

It's a non issue at this point. What Biden did, what his mental state was is as important as what Woodson did as a coach and has no bearing on the current or future and it does not in any way validate or vindicate Trumpism. This whole thread can be summed up with one highly efficient accurate word. Dumb.

I agree 100%. We still need to point out all the dumb when it’s obvious….,and I’m fond of your succinct and simple ‘dumb’ responses, because dumb ideas don’t require full rebuttals. Bonus: it triggers the exact right people.
 
It's just my opinion but I don't believe he was capable to perform as president the last year or so he was president. I think his handlers propped him up to make it look like he was capable.
Yep, I'm of the same opinion. I think it probably was becoming a noticeable issue for those close to him before he was elected.
 
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Yep, I'm of the same opinion. I think it probably was becoming a noticeable issue for those close to him before he was elected.
Yup. The public was deceived. Everything scripted. Lies. The continued erosion of our faith in institutions

The handling of Biden was and is a very big deal. It implicates much
 
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That’s an opinion.
Yeah that is what I said. Everything that is being said about Biden is just an opinion and can vary widely. I just came to that conclusion by watching him. I went thru the same thing with my MIL... she got so she didn't know my name. I think she recognize me but didn't know my name or my relation.
 
Yeah that is what I said. Everything that is being said about Biden is just an opinion and can vary widely. I just came to that conclusion by watching him. I went thru the same thing with my MIL... she got so she didn't know my name. I think she recognize me but didn't know my name or my relation.
Yep. I have my opinion based on watching him plus my FIL’s aging and dementia. He was still competent for a good four years and then it accelerated. I think Biden has a year or so before it really accelerates but his prostate cancer may get him first. I don’t know which would be worse on him, probably late stages of dementia.
 
Yep. I have my opinion based on watching him plus my FIL’s aging and dementia. He was still competent for a good four years and then it accelerated. I think Biden has a year or so before it really accelerates but his prostate cancer may get him first. I don’t know which would be worse on him, probably late stages of dementia.
I don’t think he was competent when he took office. I don’t think it was a coincidence that he had the fewest conferences in history or whatever it was. He was being insulated. Back to even when he ran for office last time. Joe in the basement. This was a massive fraud perpetrated on the public. The radical squad agenda the first 100 days wasn’t Joe Biden. He was a proxy from day one. Guaranteed. Biden was a center Dem his entire career. Zero resemblance to his progressive agenda. Proxy
 
I don’t think he was competent when he took office. I don’t think it was a coincidence that he had the fewest conferences in history or whatever it was. He was being insulated. Back to even when he ran for office last time. Joe in the basement. This was a massive fraud perpetrated on the public. The radical squad agenda the first 100 days wasn’t Joe Biden. He was a proxy from day one. Guaranteed. Biden was a center Dem his entire career. Zero resemblance to his progressive agenda. Proxy
Amazingly the “incapacitated” Joe Biden won both debates with President Trump per 60+ percent of Americans in the polls. Either Biden’s incapacity was greatly exaggerated (didn’t exist at that point) or President Trump couldn’t defeat an incapacitated Biden in a live debate.

I don’t disagree with the rest.
 
Amazingly the “incapacitated” Joe Biden won both debates with President Trump per 60+ percent of Americans in the polls. Either Biden’s incapacity was greatly exaggerated (didn’t exist at that point) or President Trump couldn’t defeat an incapacitated Biden in a live debate.

I don’t disagree with the rest.
2 days in what 2019. This reflecting on 21 already calling into question his transparency

 
2 days in what 2019. This reflecting on 21 already calling into question his transparency

Debates were in 2020. Biden was declining. No doubt. That he was incapacitated is a an opinion which is not completely supported. It’s not even supported in the Tapper book which lays out Biden’s decline pretty well - based on printed excerpts. It’s really a pointless argument anyway. He shouldn’t have run as many of us said and got out so late it was very difficult for the Democrat to win, especially Harris. All those that wanted Trump to win owe a debt of gratitude to Biden.
 
Amazingly the “incapacitated” Joe Biden won both debates with President Trump per 60+ percent of Americans in the polls. Either Biden’s incapacity was greatly exaggerated (didn’t exist at that point) or President Trump couldn’t defeat an incapacitated Biden in a live debate.

I don’t disagree with the

Debates were in 2020. Biden was declining. No doubt. That he was incapacitated is a an opinion which is not completely supported. It’s not even supported in the Tapper book which lays out Biden’s decline pretty well - based on printed excerpts. It’s really a pointless argument anyway. He shouldn’t have run as many of us said and got out so late it was very difficult for the Democrat to win, especially Harris. All those that wanted Trump to win owe a debt of gratitude to Biden.
i don't think he was incapacitated. i think he was diminished. had days worse than others and because of same unfit for hte job
 
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It’s not even supported in the Tapper book which lays out Biden’s decline pretty well - based on printed excerpts.
Why would you put any weight on what Tapper is saying, or more importantly what he's not saying, in the book? He was part of the "sharp as a tack" crowd until he was forced to acknowledge otherwise.

I'm not saying he was incapacitated, just that Tapper is not a trusted source upon which to base an argument.

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Why would you put any weight on what Tapper is saying, or more importantly what he's not saying, in the book? He was part of the "sharp as a tack" crowd until he was forced to acknowledge otherwise.

I'm not saying he was incapacitated, just that Tapper is not a trusted source upon which to base an argument.

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Why do MAGAs quote it? They are doing that repeatedly. Is this a pick what you like exercise?
 
I've got a theory that when my Jesus returns in the clouds like He said He would there will be a group who will call it a deep fake. I do agree with you on Tapper and every one of the leftists who maintained Pres. Bidens mental health
So will your Jesus will return "in the clouds" to praise a liar, unfaithful husband and assailant of women?
 
The press members went after Hur. They should apologize. Obviously, administration officials and other Democrats went after him as well. Have you seen an apology?
If "went after" is your standard, there is absolutely no air personality on FoxNews that shouldn't also apologize.
 
I've actually said I thought he was in the beginning stages of dementia many times. I related it to what I saw in my father-in-law's decline as he aged and then his descent into dementia. Dementia comes with aging for those that get dementia. When I say aging, I'm not ruling out dementia at all, in fact I'm including that in Biden's case.

Recognizing his decline is not a MAGA obsession. I recognized and wrote about his decline many times. The MAGA obsession is their total fear of the media, and it's also the extreme exaggeration of Biden's declining condition. Most MAGAs act like Biden was a vegetable. He wasn't. The Tapper book doesn't go that far. The correct opinion, in my opinion, was that he was obviously declining and at some point in his second term would be unable to perform as President so he had to decline to run.

Maybe a law was broken, but you know I don't go for the idea that crimes are identical and that punishments must be identical. That's not the real world.
It may be that MAGAs don't really "fear" the media as much as they like to paint the media as a convenient boogeyman they can falsely blame for all the world's deficiencies to reinforce their own miserable biases.

Consider Trump's ban of the AP for refusing to say, "Gulf of America." The name of that body of water (derived from the name of an Italian explorer) has no real importance except as a dogwhistle to MAGAs. Trump never had a real complaint against the AP -- he just wants a world of sycophantic pro-Trump media and is willing to falsely accuse media of anything and everything to get his way.
 
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Anyone who’s had parents that declined, as mine did, know well they have good days and bad days. Sometimes wild swings. I distinctly recall an interview with David Brooks (conservative) about 2 months before the debate debacle where he was asked about the president’s mental state, and if he was sharp enough to be the president. DB’s answer then was he had been around Biden a number of times recently and he felt he was mentally all there. My conclusion is that he had some really good days, and some really bad one ones, and DB only saw the good ones, and that not everyone was lying about it all the time. Of course we know he had a terrible day on the debate stage, and that was that.

Now we see trump falling asleep on the stage. I’m certain all of you that screamed ‘sleepy joe’ are now getting ready to shout ‘sleepy Don’.
MAGAs can't tell whether Trump is awake or asleep, because they are too busy screaming loudly in support of him.


Even when Trump "dances," he barely moves.
 
It may be that MAGAs don't really "fear" the media as much as they like to paint the media as a convenient boogeyman they can falsely blame for all the world's deficiencies to reinforce their own miserable biases.

Consider Trump's ban of the AP for refusing to say, "Gulf of America." The name of that body of water (derived from the name of an Italian explorer) has no real importance except as a dogwhistle to MAGAs. Trump never had a real complaint against the AP -- he just wants a world of sycophantic pro-Trump media and is willing to falsely accuse media of anything and everything to get his way.
No one on this board is more biased and less logical than you. If you think the media is fair and objective than you’re dumber than I thought. And trust me. You’re one of the dumbest people I’ve ever read.
 
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