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Outside of IU fans, most seem to believe Wilson's done as good a job as possible. Just listen to coaches and media, right or wrong, its the national impression. He may deserve firing after 6-29 in B10 play here, but most believe it's just a lack of talent. Say we fire him at seasons end....say no bowl and no winning season. Wilson's pedigree wasn't too bad, though he'd never been an HC. I was against hiring him because of that alone, and he's made mistakes because of it. So we fire him.
To exceed his accomplishments, few though they are, you'll have to find a winning coach at a winning program with most of the staff willing to come along. All to a program that hasn't won consistently, well, ever. That's a lot to ask, even for good pay. Careers and families are on the line. Would you leave a solid job for one where the chances of success were less than 50%...25%?
Seems to me we're caught in that old vise...between a rock and a hard place. We have to prove the talent is available to win here, and win with it to even entice a top tier coach to come here. And then, if you're winning, why fire at all??
See what I mean? Sure, there may be some unknown coach ready to break out into the big time, but how will you recognize that before it happens? Whatever we may want to believe, the odds that just waving dollars at already winning coaches won't do much to make them want to come here. Someone else can always pay more.
So here we sit. No one is happy with the status quo but now it has to be about risk management, ie., do we gamble on a couple more years that Wilson in on the right track, and better talent will come with stability? Or gamble that throwing away wherever we are on the curve and starting another 5 year building project will get us farther than any coach in the last 25 years has gotten us?
It's just about as simple as that. I'm certain this is how Glass sees the problem, its a management thing. Sometimes there are no good options so either choice becomes a gamble.
I know what I think. But I could be wrong. Still, after owning three businesses myself, one seems far riskier than the other. I know we all want to win now, but is two more seasons too long to wait to be sure? Even if we keep him the remainder of his contract and then fire him, there is absolutely no guarantee we'll find someone better even then.
You pays your money and takes your chances. Which is it for you? Thoughtful responses only please. Name callers not welcome vbg. Just think before you answer.
 
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Everyone keeps ignoring one side of the P&L here.

So, what happens if we lose out this year (very, VERY likely)? You will see attendance dip below DiNardo levels of 22,000? You'be just lost, in 2 years, 20,000 fans x 14 home games x $25 per person on average = $7,000,000.

Are you willing to forfeit $7 mill to keep someone who's going to reduce the fan headcount?
 
I think it is very unlikely we will lose out the rest of the way. I think 6-6 is very possible.

While the Rutgers game was borderline unforgivable I still think Wilson can get it done. The raw talent and depth we have (outside QB) is the best we have had in several years. The defense will be pretty good next year and Howard will likely be back so if we can solve the QB issue I think we could have a decent year. What I don't want is a coaching change and half the team leaves and we go 0-12 or 1-11 with a coach no wants anymore than Wilson. The grass is not always greener just ask Nebraska and a couple of other schools...
 
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IUHarselCo, I feel, stated IU's quandary very well. Fire the coach, find another coach, and start a new 5 year cycle. Or stay the course and let the staff prove whether or not it is capable of building the winning program that we all want. I feel that we should stay the course and let the staff remove all questions regarding there retention.
Another fear I have is, should we need to find a new coach, WHO would make the selection?
 
I think it is very unlikely we will lose out the rest of the way. I think 6-6 is very possible.

While the Rutgers game was borderline unforgivable I still think Wilson can get it done. The raw talent and depth we have (outside QB) is the best we have had in several years. The defense will be pretty good next year and Howard will likely be back so if we can solve the QB issue I think we could have a decent year. What I don't want is a coaching change and half the team leaves and we go 0-12 or 1-11 with a coach no wants anymore than Wilson. The grass is not always greener just ask Nebraska and a couple of other schools...

Hmmm.....you say unlikely we don't lose out?

Our 2 remaining home games are against 2 of the best in each division. Our road games? We are horrible on the road. I say this is an 0-8 year in the B1G for little IU.
 
Hmmm.....you say unlikely we don't lose out?

Our 2 remaining home games are against 2 of the best in each division. Our road games? We are horrible on the road. I say this is an 0-8 year in the B1G for little IU.
I feel sorry for you that you are so miserable when it comes to IU sports and it seems like you take this stuff to seriously so maybe you need to take a year or so off from IU sports and get some perspective on things.
 
Some very good thoughts in this thread. I think one thing has been overlooked, a fairly big thing. We can't just go to the finish of Wilson's contract in 2 years. It would hurt recruiting and may already be doing so. We either have to extend or terminate. While it is no guarantee to a recruit that his head coach will be in place for all of his eligibility, it will certainly seem more so than with a coach that has only 2 years left on his contract. So, imo, a decision has to made this year.
 
Some very good thoughts in this thread. I think one thing has been overlooked, a fairly big thing. We can't just go to the finish of Wilson's contract in 2 years. It would hurt recruiting and may already be doing so. We either have to extend or terminate. While it is no guarantee to a recruit that his head coach will be in place for all of his eligibility, it will certainly seem more so than with a coach that has only 2 years left on his contract. So, imo, a decision has to made this year.
Totally agree with this because we have to make the decision this year.
 
I feel sorry for you that you are so miserable when it comes to IU sports and it seems like you take this stuff to seriously so maybe you need to take a year or so off from IU sports and get some perspective on things.
+1
 
Everyone keeps ignoring one side of the P&L here.

So, what happens if we lose out this year (very, VERY likely)? You will see attendance dip below DiNardo levels of 22,000? You'be just lost, in 2 years, 20,000 fans x 14 home games x $25 per person on average = $7,000,000.

Are you willing to forfeit $7 mill to keep someone who's going to reduce the fan headcount?
Big Red, I really do respect your opinion a lot. It stings to see how much ire towards a program a decade ago you defended. But your right. Like I said, its a gamble, I can't see attendance dropping that low here. It still the biggest outdoor drinking party Bloomington has in the fall. People will buy tickets and tailgate. We're barely getting 2/3 the revenue we could be getting now. By fire/hire your guaranteeing the next couple of seasons will be rebuilding...again. How's that going to bring in new or old fans? For every new one you'll lose an old one fed up with the process. Why should anyone believe IU will hire a way out? They haven't done it yet! Coach Hep had to offer us, he wanted the job for years because of his past.. But let's be real...it was still all talk. He wasn't with us long enough to get anything done. And remember his pillars? How'd they pan out?
The point is starting over is going to lose us money for certain. People are waving IU money around like its limitless. It ain't. We got a budget and they'll stick to it. So who ya gonna call that will come? Not who you want. It's about who will come. That gamble looks way more expensive to me, but just imo.
 
IU should do something bold. And extend CKW. Recruiting is at an all time high. If you can't see that then you are not looking. Sure there have been setbacks. Saturday being the latest. But with Howard we win that game-without question. Penn State likely as well.
 
A lot of people on here are in favor of firing Wilson. No one, though, has mentioned a REALISTIC alternative coach. Imo the problem is mostly player talent and not so much overall coaching. No disrespect but the state of Indiana is not exactly a juggernaut when it comes to high school football.
The best football players go to the best football schools and IU is surrounded by the likes of ND, MI, MSU and OSU.
We are then forced to compete with Purdue, Louisville and a ton of mid-majors in surrounding states for whats left.
Conversely, the state of Florida feeds 5 state colleges and sends players abroad, ie, J Rudick and Joey Bosa. Why? Florida is to football what Indiana is to basketball when it comes to interest and talent. Indiana kids are born with basketballs in their hands; Florida kids with footballs. We only have our best offensive weapon, Jordan Howard, because another school disbanded their program. The vaunted Indy guys haven't exactly paid dividends. So who's the answer?
 
We can't keep the revolving door idea going. David Cutcliffe at Duke has been there since 2007. Now he was a head coach before, but that's an example of staying the course as they were as futile as IU is. 2nd year he was 4-8, third year 5-9 etc. Recruiting has gotten better since Lynch, we just have to have better game decisions and that will come. We start winning, the crowds will come.

1987 Alum.
 
We can't keep the revolving door idea going. David Cutcliffe at Duke has been there since 2007. Now he was a head coach before, but that's an example of staying the course as they were as futile as IU is. 2nd year he was 4-8, third year 5-9 etc. Recruiting has gotten better since Lynch, we just have to have better game decisions and that will come. We start winning, the crowds will come.

1987 Alum.

Game time decisions are based on personnel and what staff is comfortable with what team can do. You do not coach on as many successful teams as Wilson has and go to 3 national championship games without understanding how to call a game. Better personnel will help with better decisions. College football is about recruiting. You can only do what your players can execute. Give it time IU is getting better and more competitive every year. Duke model with Cutcliff is right one for IU.
 
Big Red, I really do respect your opinion a lot. It stings to see how much ire towards a program a decade ago you defended. But your right. Like I said, its a gamble, I can't see attendance dropping that low here. It still the biggest outdoor drinking party Bloomington has in the fall. People will buy tickets and tailgate. We're barely getting 2/3 the revenue we could be getting now. By fire/hire your guaranteeing the next couple of seasons will be rebuilding...again. How's that going to bring in new or old fans? For every new one you'll lose an old one fed up with the process. Why should anyone believe IU will hire a way out? They haven't done it yet! Coach Hep had to offer us, he wanted the job for years because of his past.. But let's be real...it was still all talk. He wasn't with us long enough to get anything done. And remember his pillars? How'd they pan out?
The point is starting over is going to lose us money for certain. People are waving IU money around like its limitless. It ain't. We got a budget and they'll stick to it. So who ya gonna call that will come? Not who you want. It's about who will come. That gamble looks way more expensive to me, but just imo.
What's the budget that you believe they're sticking to?
 
Game time decisions are based on personnel and what staff is comfortable with what team can do. You do not coach on as many successful teams as Wilson has and go to 3 national championship games without understanding how to call a game. Better personnel will help with better decisions. College football is about recruiting. You can only do what your players can execute. Give it time IU is getting better and more competitive every year. Duke model with Cutcliff is right one for IU.
Love what Cutcliff has done. Problem is he's doing it in the ACC, which is not particularly strong.
 
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