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Carsen Edwards and NBA

Wheeler, Eastern, Haarms, and Williams aren't role players. Then throw in Newman, Hunter, and Stefanovich. Hopefully, Gillis is healthy enough to contribute. They may not be the 5 star one and dones, but they are good 4 stars.

They are role players. And you are dreaming to think that their success as role players will elevate much after Edwards and Cline are no longer forcing spacing on the floor. And you also don’t have a point guard. Neither Hunter or Eastern are or ever will be shooters. Now that we schooled you, go mingle with the losers on your own board.
 
I think Painter stays at Purdue for a long time, probably the rest of his career. He'll get some offers, but I think he wants to stay home. Just my opinion.
Painter is from Muncie, an Indiana boy now with a net worth of $18 million. He isn't going anywhere. He's already there.
 
Wheeler, Eastern, Haarms, and Williams aren't role players. Then throw in Newman, Hunter, and Stefanovich. Hopefully, Gillis is healthy enough to contribute. They may not be the 5 star one and dones, but they are good 4 stars.
Yeah, they are role players. They’re the definition of role players! I’m not saying someone like Easterns couldn’t improve but...he is and was a role player
 
They are role players. And you are dreaming to think that their success as role players will elevate much after Edwards and Cline are no longer forcing spacing on the floor. And you also don’t have a point guard. Neither Hunter or Eastern are or ever will be shooters. Now that we schooled you, go mingle with the losers on your own board.
If they are role players then IU’s roster next season will be full of role players even more so. As far as Purdue, Eastern is not a shooter, he is the point guard and runs the offense very well. His strengths will be not only running the offense but with his size he will be able to get to the rim easily and post up the smaller guards. He will again be one the best defenders in the B1G. Stefanovich, Wheeler and Newman will be the shooters. Hunter will more than capable filling the role. Purdue will be extremely balanced next season.
 
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Wheeler, Eastern, Haarms, and Williams aren't role players. Then throw in Newman, Hunter, and Stefanovich. Hopefully, Gillis is healthy enough to contribute. They may not be the 5 star one and dones, but they are good 4 stars.

Gonna be hard to top this year, which was the best PU season ever lol...
 
Obviously Edwards can be a lights out shooter. He was ridiculously hot during the tournament. Is he big enough to be effective in the NBA? His defense isn't anything special. He kind of reminds me of Frank Mason III when he was at Kansas. Thoughts?

If Yogi can make a living in the NBA Edwards can too.
 
If they are role players then IU’s roster next season will be full of role players even more so. As far as Purdue, Eastern is not a shooter, he is the point guard and runs the offense very well. His strengths will be not only running the offense but with his size he will be able to get to the rim easily and post up the smaller guards. He will again be one the best defenders in the B1G. Stefanovich, Wheeler and Newman will be the shooters. Hunter will more than capable filling the role. Purdue will be extremely balanced next season.
Let's take last year's recruiting class. Your best recruit (Hunter 151) was rated below our worst (Forrester 148). Not that rankings are everything, but that would mean the 2018 class were all 3 stars and we had one. Your top recruit this year is #128 with 2 in the #200 range. Newman will be a good player, probably not elite.

Painter might turn these two classes into a good team in 2 -3 years. They will quickly be outclassed with talent if they are fortunate to get to the Sweet 16. By comparison, IU will be better prepared to advance if Archie consistently recruits 4 and 5 stars with the occasional high 3 star. Coaching and experienced superior talent wins over teams with one star and a bunch of role players.
 
If Yogi can make a living in the NBA Edwards can too.

Why? Edwards is not a PG. Yogi is a pure PG that can also score. Edwards is an undersized SG that can score. There are lots of SG's that can fill it up like Edwards can that are also 6' 6" or taller. The only chance Edwards has of making it in the NBA is if he can become a PG. That's way easier said than done though. With his performance in the tourney this year, his stock will never be higher.
 
Why? Edwards is not a PG. Yogi is a pure PG that can also score. Edwards is an undersized SG that can score. There are lots of SG's that can fill it up like Edwards can that are also 6' 6" or taller. The only chance Edwards has of making it in the NBA is if he can become a PG. That's way easier said than done though. With his performance in the tourney this year, his stock will never be higher.

3 reasons. He's really fast/athletic. He's can make shots from deep. And he can create his own offense.

And Yogi isn't in the NBA because he's a good PG, imho. He's there because he makes shots. That's the new NBA.
 
3 reasons. He's really fast/athletic. He's can make shots from deep. And he can create his own offense.

And Yogi isn't in the NBA because he's a good PG, imho. He's there because he makes shots. That's the new NBA.

You still have to be able to guard your position, which means he has to switch to PG. He averaged 2.8 assists and 3.1 TO's this past season, which was his 1st season really playing on the ball so much. That's a horrific average for a PG. As a senior Yogi averaged 5.6 assists and 2.5 TO's as a senior, while playing basically the same role as Edwards played this past season. Yogi also shot 46% overall and 42% from 3. Edwards only shot 39% overall and 35% from 3 this season. I'll stick with my assertion that Edwards isn't a PG and that he's got a steep learning curve to get there.
 
Obviously Edwards can be a lights out shooter. He was ridiculously hot during the tournament. Is he big enough to be effective in the NBA? His defense isn't anything special. He kind of reminds me of Frank Mason III when he was at Kansas. Thoughts?
I posted something similar to this on another thread here, but it is probably more appropriate here. In the right situation he could be similar to "The Microwave" Vinnie Johnson of the early 1990 Detroit Pistons. If I remember correctly, Johnson was 6'1' or 2" with a thick build. Edwards is shorter with a thick build. Similar to Johnson, Edwards is a guy who can play in 6 to 8 minute stretches and shoot his team back into a game or shoot them out of the game. Many people are viewing Edwards exclusively as a long range shooter. At least at the college level, he had the ability to use his quickness to take the ball to the hoop, and get his shot off against taller players. Height wise, he may not be an ideal defender against shooting guards, but he may be able to use his body strength to offset that. On the right team with good defenders on the floor with him, he could play 20-25 minutes a game and be very effective.
 
I posted something similar to this on another thread here, but it is probably more appropriate here. In the right situation he could be similar to "The Microwave" Vinnie Johnson of the early 1990 Detroit Pistons. If I remember correctly, Johnson was 6'1' or 2" with a thick build. Edwards is shorter with a thick build. Similar to Johnson, Edwards is a guy who can play in 6 to 8 minute stretches and shoot his team back into a game or shoot them out of the game. Many people are viewing Edwards exclusively as a long range shooter. At least at the college level, he had the ability to use his quickness to take the ball to the hoop, and get his shot off against taller players. Height wise, he may not be an ideal defender against shooting guards, but he may be able to use his body strength to offset that. On the right team with good defenders on the floor with him, he could play 20-25 minutes a game and be very effective.

If Edwards was playing 20-25 minutes a game as a SG, like Vinnie did, for a team in the NBA, then that team would be truly awful. He’s an undersized SG that won’t be able to guard opposing SG’s. He’s also not a PG. He averaged more TO’s than assists this year. The odds are very much stacked against him ever becoming a legit NBA player.
 
You still have to be able to guard your position, which means he has to switch to PG. He averaged 2.8 assists and 3.1 TO's this past season, which was his 1st season really playing on the ball so much. That's a horrific average for a PG. As a senior Yogi averaged 5.6 assists and 2.5 TO's as a senior, while playing basically the same role as Edwards played this past season. Yogi also shot 46% overall and 42% from 3. Edwards only shot 39% overall and 35% from 3 this season. I'll stick with my assertion that Edwards isn't a PG and that he's got a steep learning curve to get there.

So we disagree....that’s allowed.
 
Let's take last year's recruiting class. Your best recruit (Hunter 151) was rated below our worst (Forrester 148). Not that rankings are everything, but that would mean the 2018 class were all 3 stars and we had one. Your top recruit this year is #128 with 2 in the #200 range. Newman will be a good player, probably not elite.

Painter might turn these two classes into a good team in 2 -3 years. They will quickly be outclassed with talent if they are fortunate to get to the Sweet 16. By comparison, IU will be better prepared to advance if Archie consistently recruits 4 and 5 stars with the occasional high 3 star. Coaching and experienced superior talent wins over teams with one star and a bunch of role players.

How many IU recruits were ranked higher than Mathias, Thompson, V Edwards, and Haas? Where did C Edwards. Cline, Haarms, Eastern and Eifert rank against your recruits?
 
How many IU recruits were ranked higher than Mathias, Thompson, V Edwards, and Haas? Where did C Edwards. Cline, Haarms, Eastern and Eifert rank against your recruits?
Ummm...this must be kind of embarrassing. Purdue’s crappy recruits continually kick our ass.
 
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Obviously Edwards can be a lights out shooter. He was ridiculously hot during the tournament. Is he big enough to be effective in the NBA? His defense isn't anything special. He kind of reminds me of Frank Mason III when he was at Kansas. Thoughts?
Not a star, no, but he is like Yogi and can have a few years in NBA, then maybe a few years overseas … same type of player, not all-star, but they can live there lives comfortably for what they can do.
 
Painter is from Muncie, an Indiana boy now with a net worth of $18 million. He isn't going anywhere. He's already there.
I wouldn't move a foot, he has it made there. If he wants glory, go get more Glenn Robinsons, that aside, if he can't do it there, is the only reason to move. He gets it done here ... no nearby gas stations, Stalin designed campus … give credit where credit is due. He at least earned his salary this year, Arch did not.
 
I wouldn't move a foot, he has it made there. If he wants glory, go get more Glenn Robinsons, that aside, if he can't do it there, is the only reason to move. He gets it done here ... no nearby gas stations, Stalin designed campus … give credit where credit is due. He at least earned his salary this year, Arch did not.
He’s a Gene Keady clone, handpicked by the man. He might be there another 20 years.
 
I never go there and you should not either. We all live in Glass Houses and you know it!
Don't worry. I wouldn't go near Haas. More importantly, I wouldn't let my daughters near him. He should be made to wear a sign around his neck announcing to the world what he knowingly did.
 
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If Edwards was playing 20-25 minutes a game as a SG, like Vinnie did, for a team in the NBA, then that team would be truly awful. He’s an undersized SG that won’t be able to guard opposing SG’s. He’s also not a PG. He averaged more TO’s than assists this year. The odds are very much stacked against him ever becoming a legit NBA player.
In my post I said IF HE GETS IN THE RIGHT SITUATION. He is not a guy who is a fit for every team. There are guys in the NBA who are not overly athletic and are not great defenders. Take Kyle Korver for example. A designated long range shooter off the bench who has played about a dozen years in the NBA despite not being overly athletic.
 
Rick Mount was the best Purdue ever had.
He could really shoot.
Couldn’t agree more. He averaged say 30 ppg with no three point line and shot above 50%. He supposedly perfected a shot while in the ABA using the back of the rim so that the ball would return to him after dropping through the net.
 
In my post I said IF HE GETS IN THE RIGHT SITUATION. He is not a guy who is a fit for every team. There are guys in the NBA who are not overly athletic and are not great defenders. Take Kyle Korver for example. A designated long range shooter off the bench who has played about a dozen years in the NBA despite not being overly athletic.

Well now that you yelled it......

It's still far fetched. You claimed he could play 20-25 minutes. The right situation requires him to grow about 5 inches. His skillset is not good enough to makeup for his lack of height and length. Instead of comparing him to a guy that played 20+ years ago when the league was totally different, you now compare him to Kyle Korver? Korver is a waaaay better shooter than Edwards. Why don't you find another 6'1" SG that plays in the NBA right now and gets 20-25 minutes a game.

I watch the Pacers a lot. There's no way Edwards could make their roster. I can't even think of a team he'd play for regularly. He's a 35% 3 point shooter in college. He'd need to be above 40% in the NBA to even have a chance of hanging around on a roster.
 
Well now that you yelled it......

It's still far fetched. You claimed he could play 20-25 minutes. The right situation requires him to grow about 5 inches. His skillset is not good enough to makeup for his lack of height and length. Instead of comparing him to a guy that played 20+ years ago when the league was totally different, you now compare him to Kyle Korver? Korver is a waaaay better shooter than Edwards. Why don't you find another 6'1" SG that plays in the NBA right now and gets 20-25 minutes a game.

I watch the Pacers a lot. There's no way Edwards could make their roster. I can't even think of a team he'd play for regularly. He's a 35% 3 point shooter in college. He'd need to be above 40% in the NBA to even have a chance of hanging around on a roster.
I'm not trying to compare Edwards directly to Korver. I am simply pointing out that despite athletic limitations Korver has been able to carve out a dozen year career playing on multiple teams as a bench player and three point shooter. Granted he is a proven three point shooter at the NBA level, which Edwards is not at this point. I am merely pointing out that Korver is an example of a guy with limitations who has had a long NBA Career based primarily upon one skill. Will Edwards be a guy who can do the same thing? We shall see.
 
Couldn’t agree more. He averaged say 30 ppg with no three point line and shot above 50%. He supposedly perfected a shot while in the ABA using the back of the rim so that the ball would return to him after dropping through the net.
Unfortunately for “The Rocket,” that perfected shot is all he’s remembered for in his pro career. Rick’s problem was that his big signing bonus bought him a new bass boat.
 
Well now that you yelled it......

It's still far fetched. You claimed he could play 20-25 minutes. The right situation requires him to grow about 5 inches. His skillset is not good enough to makeup for his lack of height and length. Instead of comparing him to a guy that played 20+ years ago when the league was totally different, you now compare him to Kyle Korver? Korver is a waaaay better shooter than Edwards. Why don't you find another 6'1" SG that plays in the NBA right now and gets 20-25 minutes a game.

I watch the Pacers a lot. There's no way Edwards could make their roster. I can't even think of a team he'd play for regularly. He's a 35% 3 point shooter in college. He'd need to be above 40% in the NBA to even have a chance of hanging around on a roster.

Yogi didn't play as a pure PG on the Mavs. He played more as a scoring guard and often got his minutes with JJ Barea and Dennis smith Jr. Actually JJ has been used a lot if not more as SG in his Mavs career. It might be a good question for Carlisle.

Anyway, i think Edwards will do just as good as Yogi if he puts in the work. I expect he will be working hard to make the shot even better. He just seems like a kid who gets it and will put inthe work to improve all aspects of his game.
 
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Unfortunately for “The Rocket,” that perfected shot is all he’s remembered for in his pro career. Rick’s problem was that his big signing bonus bought him a new bass boat.
Yes he never was very strong. Murphy Ana Maravich both had decent pro careers but both were stronger and quicker than Mount. As a kid basketball player in Indiana with dreams of raining down jump shots I really enjoyed watching him play in college albeit on a black and white television with some snow and interference. :) My vision of my future was similarly clouded it turned out. :)
 
If Yogi can make a living in the NBA Edwards can too.
I believe Yogi was undrafted, but later was signed by the Kings then Mavs.
Carsen may have to go down the same route. Two different players. Yogi is a true pass first PG who could also score. Carsen is a sub 6 foot shooting guard who will likely have to play PG in the pros. Carsen is a better scorer, Yogi is a better passer. Carsen will need the right fit, on the right team, to make it, much like Yogi did.
 
Yes he never was very strong. Murphy Ana Maravich both had decent pro careers but both were stronger and quicker than Mount. As a kid basketball player in Indiana with dreams of raining down jump shots I really enjoyed watching him play in college albeit on a black and white television with some snow and interference. :) My vision of my future was similarly clouded it turned out. :)
Mount did have a sweet jump shot, fading backwards from deep in the corner especially. He had that rare ability to make the ball seem to float through the air. The few times I could stomach watching PU, Cline showed me a resemblance on some of his ridiculous shots that went in. I’m glad he graduated. Mounts problem in the pros was that he was basically just one of the good ole boys, a small town kid not in sync with the bright light glamor of traveling away from home and all the egos that come with “showtime” money and women. Mount was happiest with a fishing rod or shotgun in his hand.
 
Mount did have a sweet jump shot, fading backwards from deep in the corner especially. He had that rare ability to make the ball seem to float through the air. The few times I could stomach watching PU, Cline showed me a resemblance on some of his ridiculous shots that went in. I’m glad he graduated. Mounts problem in the pros was that he was basically just one of the good ole boys, a small town kid not in sync with the bright light glamor of traveling away from home and all the egos that come with “showtime” money and women. Mount was happiest with a fishing rod or shotgun in his hand.
Rick Mount is my all-time favorite Purdue player. I remember wwatching Mount score the 61 or 63 points against Iowa. And i wanted to go outside and shoot until i had to go to bed.
 
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Id rather draft Romeo on his potential....not...honestly if I were a GM...I think Id pass on Romeo until the 2nd round...and let someone else take that questionable gamble
Romeo is a top 5 talent that played with an injured hand.
 
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Rick Mount is my all-time favorite Purdue player. I remember wwatching Mount score the 61 or 63 points against Iowa. And i wanted to go outside and shoot until i had to go to bed.
Mount’s effort went for naught. I remember watching it on TV, too, and Iowa won, fortunately.
 
They are role players. And you are dreaming to think that their success as role players will elevate much after Edwards and Cline are no longer forcing spacing on the floor. And you also don’t have a point guard. Neither Hunter or Eastern are or ever will be shooters. Now that we schooled you, go mingle with the losers on your own board.
You Sir see them just as I do. Without Edwards they’re screwed! They’ll win some games on effort but they’ll finish maybe .500 in Conference play next year.
 
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