Now that the ruling has come down? And then, hopefully next week we can put the gay marriage thing aside also. It's time to move on.
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Now that the ruling has come down? And then, hopefully next week we can put the gay marriage thing aside also. It's time to move on.
Now that the ruling has come down? And then, hopefully next week we can put the gay marriage thing aside also. It's time to move on.
This was a Supreme Court decision over the parsing of language. It doesn't have anything to do with the efficacy of the law, it was merely a minuscule part of it. The law needs to be repealed or completely overhauled to effectively reduce the cost of healthcare and that debate will continue as we see the unchecked costs of insurance continue to skyrocket and peoples wages continue to decrease. The continuum doesn't work.Now that the ruling has come down? And then, hopefully next week we can put the gay marriage thing aside also. It's time to move on.
It's a decisive victory. In particular the Court didn't decide the case under the Chevron analysis -- which grants deference to an agency's interpretation of an ambiguous statute. The majority said that the language is ambiguous but instead of merely granting deference, it expressly held that the administration's interpretation is correct. This means that the next Republican President can't adopt a different interpretation. The core provisions of Obamacare are now conclusively established.Now that the ruling has come down? And then, hopefully next week we can put the gay marriage thing aside also. It's time to move on.
So the vote was 6-3. Not even close. You don't think any of those six vote to protect the Constitution.The law was put to rest the day it passed. The fight to protect and uphold the Constitution is a never ending battle. What is sad is that we cannot all agree to protect that treasured DOCUMENT!.
Actually, my premiums have gone up a bit. But I'm more than happy to do that if it helps others ( like my sister) who has health insurance for the first time in her life.Says the person that doesn't have their premiums jumping.
Obamacare is in a fight with itself. It is unworkable and unsustainable without major revision, maybe even repeal and reenactment. Obama himself understands this as he rewrote the effective date of the statute having to do with the employer mandate and delayed it until he is almost out of office. The employer mandate is critical to the statutory scheme and he won't put that into effect because he knows what the consequences will be for millions of workers. Meanwhile we scratch our heads and wonder why the economic recovery is the worst ever.
Those who've been wrong about Obamacare from the beginning persist in being wrong, despite all evidence. Meanwhile, back in reality, the law is working better -- and costing less -- than even its supporters expected. And the Republican alternative to Obamacare still is and always will be vaporware. I'll let this stand as my reaction to that.The law needs to be repealed or completely overhauled to effectively reduce the cost of healthcare and that debate will continue as we see the unchecked costs of insurance continue to skyrocket and peoples wages continue to decrease. The continuum doesn't work.
This case had nothing to do with the Constitution, dave.The fight to protect and uphold the Constitution is a never ending battle. What is sad is that we cannot all agree to protect that treasured DOCUMENT!.
Absolutely not they voted out of conscience to protect an active social law called Obamacare. It could not would not ever overturn no matter what the Constitution says. It is legislating from the bench and in plain English that is what the Supreme Court has been doing for many years in helping to guide social policy.So the vote was 6-3. Not even close. You don't think any of those six vote to protect the Constitution.
The law was put to rest the day it passed. The fight to protect and uphold the Constitution is a never ending battle. What is sad is that we cannot all agree to protect that treasured DOCUMENT!.
Those who've been wrong about Obamacare from the beginning persist in being wrong, despite all evidence. Meanwhile, back in reality, the law is working better -- and costing less -- than even its supporters expected. And the Republican alternative to Obamacare still is and always will be vaporware. I'll let this stand as my reaction to that.
Actually, my premiums have gone up a bit. But I'm more than happy to do that if it helps others ( like my sister) who has health insurance for the first time in her life.
Actually, my premiums have gone up a bit. But I'm more than happy to do that if it helps others ( like my sister) who has health insurance for the first time in her life.
I wIsh! No, I'm old! I just live in Bloomington. For the last 15 years or so, my sister took care of my elderly parents. Before that, childcare. So she had low paying jobs with no insurance.And aren't you a student? Thought you posted that on the BB board.
The ratification of the Bill of Rights was unanimous. It provided no person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law. Was that decisively over? Then where the heck did Roe v. Wade come from - an unborn person can be killed without due process of law.It's a decisive victory. In particular the Court didn't decide the case under the Chevron analysis -- which grants deference to an agency's interpretation of an ambiguous statute. The majority said that the language is ambiguous but instead of merely granting deference, it expressly held that the administration's interpretation is correct. This means that the next Republican President can't adopt a different interpretation. The core provisions of Obamacare are now conclusively established.
Once again, this case had nothing to do with the Constitution.The ratification of the Bill of Rights was unanimous. It provided no person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law. Was that decisively over? Then where the heck did Roe v. Wade come from - an unborn person can be killed without due process of law.
You see, its endless and always will be because liberals will never succeed putting the huge questions to the people via a proposed Constitutional amendment through the Congress. Why? Because they could never win on any of those issues in the hands of the people and the states.
Said a guy who hasn't read the opinions.Absolutely not they voted out of conscience to protect an active social law called Obamacare. It could not would not ever overturn no matter what the Constitution says. It is legislating from the bench and in plain English that is what the Supreme Court has been doing for many years in helping to guide social policy.
There is not a shred of evidence Obamacare is "working" and the law hasn't even been fully implemented yet (which is a good thing). There is not one metric which would directly link the implementation of Obamacare with an across the board reduction in medical costs. Obamacare hasn't been a law that long. Prior to Obamacare there was a natural market correction that had flattened healthcare inflation which coincided with an explosion of health savings accounts and more and more Americans without health insurance.Those who've been wrong about Obamacare from the beginning persist in being wrong, despite all evidence. Meanwhile, back in reality, the law is working better -- and costing less -- than even its supporters expected. And the Republican alternative to Obamacare still is and always will be vaporware. I'll let this stand as my reaction to that.
In light of your post at 12:12p, I assume that this is aimed at me. If so, let me repeat what I said above:Same old stuff with you.. Part of the law seems to be working, part doesn't. I deal with this law in many aspects. I have said before, and I will say it again...the best that can be said about this law at present is it is "incomplete" or "under review". We won't know a whole lot until the employer mandate hits the market place, and the sign-ups for the coming year after several people got hit on their tax returns for false/in-correct information and will experience an increase in the exchange.
Let us not completely throw this thing out yet, but at the same time, lets not bury our heads in the sand and fail to fix the parts that need fixing. At present, it has done some good, and some harm. Anybody that says anything different than that, just doesn't know what they are talking about.
And I say that as someone who was 100% against the law when it came out.
There is not a shred of evidence Obamacare is 'working'
Just to demonstrate that you actually understand that treasured document, d, why not explain the constitutional issues as you see them, including references to constitutional history and previous USSC decisions to show that you've studied the matter. I'm waiting here with tingling appendages, always willing to take a lesson as I am.The law was put to rest the day it passed. The fight to protect and uphold the Constitution is a never ending battle. What is sad is that we cannot all agree to protect that treasured DOCUMENT!.
No we can't
Obamacare is in a fight with itself. It is unworkable and unsustainable without major revision, maybe even repeal and reenactment. Obama himself understands this as he rewrote the effective date of the statute having to do with the employer mandate and delayed it until he is almost out of office. The employer mandate is critical to the statutory scheme and he won't put that into effect because he knows what the consequences will be for millions of workers. Meanwhile we scratch our heads and wonder why the economic recovery is the worst ever.
This is killing the middle class. My personal deductible rose from $250 to $500. And my copays jumped from $20 to $30. Overall premium stayed the same.Says the person that doesn't have their premiums jumping.
I am so glad the law is being upheld. We sorely need this healthcare bill. The affordable healthcare law is just an extension of medicare. Works the same way. Without it, people simply go to the emergency room and that costs even more and has no provision for preventative health care.It's a decisive victory. In particular the Court didn't decide the case under the Chevron analysis -- which grants deference to an agency's interpretation of an ambiguous statute. The majority said that the language is ambiguous but instead of merely granting deference, it expressly held that the administration's interpretation is correct. This means that the next Republican President can't adopt a different interpretation. The core provisions of Obamacare are now conclusively established.
The law was put to rest the day it passed. The fight to protect and uphold the Constitution is a never ending battle. What is sad is that we cannot all agree to protect that treasured DOCUMENT!.
I am so glad the law is being upheld. We sorely need this healthcare bill. The affordable healthcare law is just an extension of medicare. Works the same way. Without it, people simply go to the emergency room and that costs even more and has no provision for preventative health care.
The real problem is,IMO, medicare is too cheap. I am retired and pay less now than when I had a company plan while I was working. Much less in fact. I think we should all pay more to support the system which really works the same as my private plan did. That is, it has contracts with the providers and pay only a fraction of what is billed, same as my private plan did. Pretty well administered in my opinion.No we can't
Obamacare is in a fight with itself. It is unworkable and unsustainable without major revision, maybe even repeal and reenactment. Obama himself understands this as he rewrote the effective date of the statute having to do with the employer mandate and delayed it until he is almost out of office. The employer mandate is critical to the statutory scheme and he won't put that into effect because he knows what the consequences will be for millions of workers. Meanwhile we scratch our heads and wonder why the economic recovery is the worst ever.
The evidence I've seen doesn't support that too well, tb: it appears to me that in many or maybe most cases those who saw their costs go up had junk policies to begin with.This is killing the middle class. My personal deductible rose from $250 to $500. And my copays jumped from $20 to $30. Overall premium stayed the same.
The evidence I've seen doesn't support that too well, tb: it appears to me that in many or maybe most cases those who saw their costs go up had junk policies to begin with.
The real problem is,IMO, medicare is too cheap. I am retired and pay less now than when I had a company plan while I was working. Much less in fact. I think we should all pay more to support the system which really works the same as my private plan did. That is, it has contracts with the providers and pay only a fraction of what is billed, same as my private plan did. Pretty well administered in my opinion.
The law was put to rest the day it passed. The fight to protect and uphold the Constitution is a never ending battle. What is sad is that we cannot all agree to protect that treasured DOCUMENT!.
If you're on a "large corporate plan" Obamacare has nothing to do with your coverage.I actually have very good health coverage that extends far beyond Obama's plan. This is a large corporate plan. Instead of raising premiums due to Obama care they simply raised the deductible and copays. This is happening across the board in corporate america. Full timers have also been eliminated across the board in retail for obvious insurance reasons.
Seniors living longer is a problem. People like me on medicare should pay more, I agree. Doctors and hospitals continue to build expensive facilities, offices, etc. Think they are doing just fine. Maybe too fine.Medicare is squeezing the doctors on pricing. As a result, the medicare system is screwed up in the fact that doctors are now ordering every procedure/test under the sun. Unnecessary procedures. That's what medicare is incentivizing. It's dangerous for everyone.
Secondly, the other elephant in the room is end of life care. Seniors actually haven't paid their fare share. They are living longer than anyone could have expected. In 10 years the average life expectancy will be 110? 120?
Why would an employer-provided plan raise plan costs because of ACA?I actually have very good health coverage that extends far beyond Obama's plan. This is a large corporate plan. Instead of raising premiums due to Obama care they simply raised the deductible and copays. This is happening across the board in corporate america. Full timers have also been eliminated across the board in retail for obvious insurance reasons.
I have read every dissent!Said a guy who hasn't read the opinions.