Butler's lone 2022 signee reopens recruitment

[mushroomgod_1]

Good point, and the hostility was apparent.

bottom line is that the slate is wiped clean after HS. We have seen too many cases of people talking about what a player can/should be doing in college when they never exhibit it in a college court.

HS tapes don’t mean squat once you arrive on a college campus.

LD very may well turn into a good college player. And, he may not.

Yep.

As far as Furst goes, he played 15M/game for a much better team, and his numbers were pretty good for a freshman.......getting 11/9 per 40M played, and shooting 64% on 2s, 42% on 3s, and 72% on FTs. So let's stop pretending Furst is some crap talent.

Your point also applies to Bates, although on a much higher plane than LD. As of now, he's not exhibited the ability to get all the way to the basket and finish there. He looks to have a chance to be an ABT by year 3, but he's going to have to get stronger, craftier (think Galloway), and improve his BHing and 3 pt shot. At this point, he only looks potentially elite with respect to his 10-20 foot jump shot, on of off the dribble.

 

[kkott]

Speak of being hungover, you should "just stop with this" response before you had begun. You truly don't know what you are talking about.

The game against Furst was not a fluke, to even suggest such nonsense without watching the game is beyond ignorant. To further your nonsensical argument in saying Furst saw time this year and LD didn't strains rational gymnastics.

They were both rated at 66 and 67 in the top 100, going into different situations, behind different players. Before it is done you are going to be glad we got LD over Furst.

I'd say PT for a freshman at PU was just as difficult to come by with Edey, Williams and Gillis in front of him. And, I feel pretty good in my logic that a 1 time performance (which I watched highlights of, not the game, btw, after also seeing highlights of both players in HS) suggests it's the anomaly vs a couple of seasons of results. I even said, I think Dunscomb will probably be OK (based primarily on the fact that he's back, because I think if CMW was pessimistic on his future, he'd have xferred). I never said I think I'll be unhappy with LD vs Furst, because I don't expect much out of any freshman, but I think everyone, save for yourself and maybe LD's parents would agree CF had the better freshman year on a better team, and the results of an AAU game from last summer matter little at this point. You wanna hang your hat on it, be my guest, there's a reason that hook isn't crowded!

 

[.Gerdis]

I'd say PT for a freshman at PU was just as difficult to come by with Edey, Williams and Gillis in front of him. And, I feel pretty good in my logic that a 1 time performance (which I watched highlights of, not the game, btw, after also seeing highlights of both players in HS) suggests it's the anomaly vs a couple of seasons of results. I even said, I think Dunscomb will probably be OK (based primarily on the fact that he's back, because I think if CMW was pessimistic on his future, he'd have xferred). I never said I think I'll be unhappy with LD vs Furst, because I don't expect much out of any freshman, but I think everyone, save for yourself and maybe LD's parents would agree CF had the better freshman year on a better team, and the results of an AAU game from last summer matter little at this point. You wanna hang your hat on it, be my guest, there's a reason that hook isn't crowded!

As a fan, the biggest question I have is why he wasn’t redshirted? I suppose he could be as a sophomore?

Maybe that’s reason enough to think that he will be a contributor (the fact that he wasn’t redshirted logically means that the staff thought he could contribute as a freshman, in game situations). Maybe there is more to the story than we know.

 

[kkott]

As a fan, the biggest question I have is why he wasn’t redshirted? I suppose he could be as a sophomore?

Maybe that’s reason enough to think that he will be a contributor (the fact that he wasn’t redshirted logically means that the staff thought he could contribute as a freshman, in game situations). Maybe there is more to the story than we know.

yep, that's a good question, but if he truly was suspended twice, I'd say that is likely the answer! Plus, as I said, while that game versus Furst gave me some hope, when I saw his HS highlights I thought it looked like he had a long way to go to be college/B10 ready to play, and I didn't expect much since he was a freshman and we had some solid upperclassmen in front of him. All I'm saying is I'm tired of people going back and pointing at that game as any kind of predictor of what LD's going to be, because we have a whole season to tell us exactly what he was: a non-factor as a freshman.

 

[ORG]

I don't follow recruiting much at all and had no preconceived notions about him.

What kind of player, who is on scholarship, never gets in a game even when a team is missing 5 players?

Who knows? Maybe he had some issues with team rules? Maybe he did not meet developmental goals the coches set for him? Maybe he had some physical set back?

I think he can eventually become a player who makes it onto the regular rotation.

 

[Hoosier Clarion]

would people just stop with this? I have no idea what happened in that game, but it obviously was a fluke. Has anyone ever considered that Furst was sick? Covid? Injured? Hungover? Whatever it was, it was a fluke and one game. Furst was pretty good I thought for PU this year and LD was a DNP most of the year.

Even watching LD's highlights from HS I thought he was playing against really small kids and had a big adjustment coming, which is why that Caleb Furst outing had me excited. I think he's going to be fine, but the issue is resolved who was better as a freshman and to start college.

I highly doubt Furst was less than full strength. Nor a fluke seeing how Furst was certainly not a really small kid at that meeting. Nothing hard to understand a college Frosh being 5th man behind 4 upperclassmen. Whose rotational minutes was he going to take Trayce, JG, Race, Durr all with CBB experience. IU fans are going to like what Logan becomes.

 

[kkott]

I highly doubt Furst was less than full strength. Nor a fluke seeing how Furst was certainly not a really small kid at that meeting. Nothing hard to understand a college Frosh being 5th man behind 4 upperclassmen. Whose rotational minutes was he going to take Trayce, JG, Race, Durr all with CBB experience. IU fans are going to like what Logan becomes.

I've never said he wouldn't and have said I think he'll be fine. I'm tired of people basing any kind of expectation on that game, because we have way more recent and relevant information now! That game means nothing. And yes, it could be a fluke: CF could have been sick, hungover, distracted because his Gf broke up with him... any of a million things, but if he were better than CF last year, he would've gotten more minutes than he did, especially in the NW game.

 

[Hoosier Clarion]

I've never said he wouldn't and have said I think he'll be fine. I'm tired of people basing any kind of expectation on that game, because we have way more recent and relevant information now! That game means nothing. And yes, it could be a fluke: VF could have been sick, hungover, distracted because his Gf broke up with him... any of a million things, but if he were better than CF last year, he would've gotten more minutes than he did, especially in the NW game.

It means a great deal and can't be written off or disregarded seeing its the only head to head. LD played behind 4 experienced bigs. Furst played behind 3 with Gillis no better than Durr. Simple equation.

 

[DANC]

You sure about that? It's not like football. Without injuries or something it only takes one game to burn the redshirt. Of course, ICBW.

No, I'm not sure about that. I assumed you could get in so many games, like football.

But wasn't he injured?

Sorry if I was talking out my ass (I save you the time to post that). I should never assume anything around here.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

It means a great deal and can't be written off or disregarded seeing its the only head to head. LD played behind 4 experienced bigs. Furst played behind 3 with Gillis no better than Durr. Simple equation.

Gillis was better than Durr. You're an idiot.

 

[Baller23Boogie]

No, I'm not sure about that. I assumed you could get in so many games, like football.

But wasn't he injured?

Sorry if I was talking out my ass (I save you the time to post that). I should never assume anything around here.

Yeah, it's different rules between football and basketball. One game for basketball and your redshirt is burned. He wasn't hurt to not get a year back.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

No, I'm not sure about that. I assumed you could get in so many games, like football.

But wasn't he injured?

Sorry if I was talking out my ass (I save you the time to post that). I should never assume anything around here.

I looked that up Apparently basketball does not have the same rule as football, and any play blows the RS.

 

[kkott]

It means a great deal and can't be written off or disregarded seeing its the only head to head. LD played behind 4 experienced bigs. Furst played behind 3 with Gillis no better than Durr. Simple equation.

I wasn't as down on Durr as many here, but Mason Gillis was MUCH better: started and played 23 minutes a game averaging 6.5 pts and 5 boards. Durr got like 7 minutes a game averaging a point and a half and 1 reb. Your hole's already pretty deep, wanna keep digging?

And explain to me the "great deal" an AAU game from July of 2020 during the covid season, means? I think it was an arranged game too, because national AAU tournaments were cancelled I believe. So, there was also nothing to really play for. It means nothing... except to a handful of IU fans.If there were such a thing as less than nothing, that's what this game would mean.

PS, it wasn't the only head to head, as we played PU twice this year and Caleb played in both games. Oh wait, you meant the only head to head where Logan played too? Yeah, you're right, that does have a lot of meaning.

 

[DANC]

I looked that up Apparently basketball does not have the same rule as football, and any play blows the RS.

That's ridiculous. There are so many games in basketball vs football. You'd think they could play in a few pre-conference games and keep their redshirt.

But not much of what the NCAA does makes much sense.

 

[Hoosier Clarion]

I wasn't as down on Durr as many here, but Mason Gillis was MUCH better: started and played 23 minutes a game averaging 6.5 pts and 5 boards. Durr got like 7 minutes a game averaging a point and a half and 1 reb. Your hole's already pretty deep, wanna keep digging?

And explain to me the "great deal" an AAU game from July of 2020 during the covid season, means? I think it was an arranged game too, because national AAU tournaments were cancelled I believe. So, there was also nothing to really play for. It means nothing... except to a handful of IU fans.If there were such a thing as less than nothing, that's what this game would mean.

PS, it wasn't the only head to head, as we played PU twice this year and Caleb played in both games. Oh wait, you meant the only head to head where Logan played too? Yeah, you're right, that does have a lot of meaning.

Gillis got minutes cause he was always 2nd in line. Not hard to comprehend how he attained his numbers. Understand the 2 bigs never played together. He was the only big replacement for both. LD had 4 in front of him. Not much difference between Durr and Gillis. Neither were going to be starters.

 

[kkott]

Gillis got minutes cause he was always 2nd in line. Not hard to comprehend how he attained his numbers. Understand the 2 bigs never played together. He was the only big replacement for both. LD had 4 in front of him. Not much difference between Durr and Gillis. Neither were going to be starters.

OK, whatever you say.... Gillis was never going to be a starter; except he started every game I saw; gotcha... in your mind he was never a starter! Role player, and pretty solid I thought. WIthout comparing, I'd guess much along the same trajectory as Race, except I think he's only a soph and I don't think Race was seeing those kinds of minutes at that point.

 

[.Gerdis]

It means a great deal and can't be written off or disregarded seeing its the only head to head. LD played behind 4 experienced bigs. Furst played behind 3 with Gillis no better than Durr. Simple equation.

I am not sure what exactly that one game means?

Are you suggesting that LD is a better player than Furst, or even that LD will be a better player than Furst? I will concede that point, not because I think it’s true, but because I don’t really care about Furst.

or, are you suggesting that the one game is indicative that LD will be a good, or even great player for IU? If this is what you are saying, I hope you are correct. Based on what I saw (or, I should say didn’t see) from him last year I am expecting basically nothing from him this year. Hopefully he develops into a contributing college player, and certainly he may.