Bustingbrackets rates all 14 big ten coaches

[Imndzone]

Not sure I agree, but, as we know, opinions are like.....(link)

https://bustingbrackets.com/2019/08/24/big-ten-basketball-ranking-14-head-coaches-2019-20-season/3/

 

[birdforbogey]

Why do you not agree?

 

[TR32]

I haven't seen Juwan Howard coach yet but I expect him to be no better than mediocre long term.

Of the returning coaches, I think Pitino is the worst. Chambers gets his team's to play hard but he struggles to pull out wins. Collins is better than his record, I think he has been above average. Fran is pretty good at both recruiting and establishing strategy. If you are a "roster build" guy, Fran has been good.

In the same light Underwood and Holtman have really recruited well. It should start to pay off for Underwood this season. Painter probably has the best offensive system in the Big Ten right now, and his guys buy in and play defense. Miller has been one sided as a defensive coach but he has had to undo a previous system of sloppy basketball. I will say that I believe Miller's man offense is bad. The high weave with the double screen on the ball- it never works. If that is based on personnel, then it must begin to change this year (3rd).

I really like Rutgers philosophy of play, sort of a no holds barred, just play hard,approach. But they have a long way to go to prove anything. Hoiberg has had success and he will have resources at Nebraska. We shall see. Gard did a great job taking over for Bo but so far he hasn't recruited quite at the same level. But Wisconsin plays a brand of basketball, and that comes from good coaching. If Gard is good, this year will prove it. Personally I don't think they will have the inside threat to command doubles this year, so if he doesn't get something going outside he won't get the job done.

Izzo has been exceptional as a coach for his entire career. No question there.

I don't think it is that easy to rank them, but Pitino, to me, for the talent he has brought in, has not been as good as he could have been, so I rank him lowest.
I would say the same about Turgeon, but at least his team's are top 4 or 5. He gets them in the tourney.

 

[Imndzone]

Why do you not agree?

I don't think Howard has proven himself to be ranked above Collins yet. Also don't think that Archie has proven himself to be ranked number 5 yet. Especially to be ranked ahead of McCaffrey.

So, are you saying that you do agree with the ratings?

 

[birdforbogey]

I don't think Howard has proven himself to be ranked above Collins yet. Also don't think that Archie has proven himself to be ranked number 5 yet. Especially to be ranked ahead of McCaffrey.

So, are you saying that you do agree with the ratings?

No, I think Hoiberg should be ahead of Archie. Archie at 5 is very generous considering the results so far.

 

[hondo314]

No, I think Hoiberg should be ahead of Archie. Archie at 5 is very generous considering the results so far.

Eh — Hoiberg is good but hasn’t coached a game in the BT yet. He did well at Iowa State but Archie did as much or more at Dayton.

I’m thinking we’ve still got too many new to new-ish coaches in this league for this list to matter. We’ll know plenty in 5 years and by then Hoiberg may be back in the NBA...

 

[PranksterMary]

Eh — Hoiberg is good but hasn’t coached a game in the BT yet. He did well at Iowa State but Archie did as much or more at Dayton.

I’m thinking we’ve still got too many new to new-ish coaches in this league for this list to matter. We’ll know plenty in 5 years and by the Hoiberg may be back in the NBA...

Miller did more at Dayton than Hoiberg did at Iowa State? How did you come up with that?

 

[hondo314]

Miller did more at Dayton than Hoiberg did at Iowa State? How did you come up with that?

He went further and made the same number of tourneys—at Dayton. Lol. It’s a wash or Archie gets the nod for going going a bit further in the tourney. Excluded the NBA as it’s a whole diff deal but he’s 40 games under .500 there....

 

[PranksterMary]

He went further and made the same number of tourneys—at Dayton. Lol. It’s a wash or Archie gets the nod for going going a bit further in the tourney. Excluded the NBA as it’s a whole diff deal but he’s 40 games under .500 there....

Against much weaker competition. This is as facile at saying he’s a better coach than Mack based on one game. The “new” IU fan.

 

[hondo314]

Against much weaker competition. This is as facile at saying he’s a better coach than Mack based on one game. The “new” IU fan.

It’s all relative as far as leagues go. Lol. You can only beat the teams on your schedule. Now you’ll say it’s easier to make the tourney and win games in it at Dayton than Iowa State? Say that and I’ll call you dumb. Your choice. Lol.

 

[PranksterMary]

It’s all relative as far as leagues go. Lol. You can only beat the teams on your schedule. Now you’ll say it’s easier to make the tourney and win games in it at Dayton than Iowa State? Say that and I’ll call you dumb. Your choice. Lol.

Again, your “analysis” is facile, at best. Not the first time.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Too many new and newer coaches in the league for even a click bait ranking like this.

 

[hondo314]

Again, your “analysis” is facile, at best. Not the first time.

Good rebuttal. And love the vocab word. Studying up since that time you didn’t know what chagrin meant? Lolol

 

[PranksterMary]

Good rebuttal. And love the vocab word. Studying up since that time you didn’t know what chagrin meant? Lolol

I had to explain “chagrin” to you, remember? You admitted you weren’t familiar with the word, just as you weren’t familiar with Mack. It’s more than a trend with you.

 

[hondo314]

I had to explain “chagrin” to you, remember? You admitted you weren’t familiar with the word, just as you weren’t familiar with Mack. It’s more than a trend with you.

Hah wasn’t me. I was just a bystander. I’m guessing so many people call you dumb that you can’t keep track.

 

[PranksterMary]

Hah wasn’t me. I was just a bystander. I’m guessing so many people call you dumb that you can’t keep track.

No shame that you didn’t know the meaning of “chagrin”. You’re too busy following people around to be bothered with simple vocabulary.

 

[hondo314]

No shame that you didn’t know the meaning of “chagrin”. You’re too busy following people around to be bothered with simple vocabulary.

Du —yawn—mb

 

[PranksterMary]

Du —yawn—mb

Your penchant for deflection is always a dead giveaway.

 

[TR32]

I don't think Howard has proven himself to be ranked above Collins yet.

Yet?

I don't think Juwan Howard has proven anything except that Michigan underachieving with the Fab 5. I will be shocked if he is even Brian Ellerbie.

 

[OhioBoiler51]

First tier is obvious even though there is a sizable gap between 1-2 here as well
1 - Izzo
2 - Painter

2nd tier is a few who have had good success at a power conference in the short time they've been a head coach

3 - Holtman
4 - Gard
5 - Hoiberg

Next two usually have rosters that make you wonder how they didn't do more. Solid coaches still

6 - Turgeon
7 - Fran

Jury is still out on the next two. Next couple seasons will decide on them

8 - Archie
9 - Underwood

Ok coaches but nothing special

10 - Pitino
11 - Chambers
12 - Pikiell
13 - Collins

Howard hasn't been a head coach so he can't be put anywhere but here for now

14 - Howard

 

[T.M.P.]

First tier is obvious even though there is a sizable gap between 1-2 here as well
1 - Izzo
2 - Painter

2nd tier is a few who have had good success at a power conference in the short time they've been a head coach

3 - Holtman
4 - Gard
5 - Hoiberg

Next two usually have rosters that make you wonder how they didn't do more. Solid coaches still

6 - Turgeon
7 - Fran

Jury is still out on the next two. Next couple seasons will decide on them

8 - Archie
9 - Underwood

Ok coaches but nothing special

10 - Pitino
11 - Chambers
12 - Pikiell
13 - Collins

Howard hasn't been a head coach so he can't be put anywhere but here for now

14 - Howard

Painter isn't in the first tier, Izzo stands alone. The sizeable gap is between Izzo and Painter.

 

[OhioBoiler51]

Painter isn't in the first tier, Izzo stands alone. The sizeable gap is between Izzo and Painter.

Yea that's the gap I referenced when I said a sizable gap between 1-2. If it makes you feel better separate 1 and 2 into separate tiers then just bump the other tiers down and the list stays the same. Problem solved

 

[T.M.P.]

Yea that's the gap I referenced when I said a sizable gap between 1-2. If it makes you feel better separate 1 and 2 into separate tiers then just bump the other tiers down and the list stays the same. Problem solved

Holtman is as good as Painter, if not better, he just doesn't have the career experience.

 

[fkfootball]

First tier is obvious even though there is a sizable gap between 1-2 here as well
1 - Izzo
2 - Painter

2nd tier is a few who have had good success at a power conference in the short time they've been a head coach

3 - Holtman
4 - Gard
5 - Hoiberg

Next two usually have rosters that make you wonder how they didn't do more. Solid coaches still

6 - Turgeon
7 - Fran

Jury is still out on the next two. Next couple seasons will decide on them

8 - Archie
9 - Underwood

Ok coaches but nothing special

10 - Pitino
11 - Chambers
12 - Pikiell
13 - Collins

Howard hasn't been a head coach so he can't be put anywhere but here for now

14 - Howard

Pretty fair analysis.

 

[fkfootball]

Yea that's the gap I referenced when I said a sizable gap between 1-2. If it makes you feel better separate 1 and 2 into separate tiers then just bump the other tiers down and the list stays the same. Problem solved

I think Greg Gard is mediocre. Now that he’s about out of Bo Ryan players, I expect Wisconsin to take a nosedive.

 

[fkfootball]

Holtman is as good as Painter, if not better, he just doesn't have the career experience.

Holtman isn’t the offensive coach that Painter is. He’s a good defensive coach. But his Offense
is “pass the ball around and take a 3, or dump inside to Wesson.) I respect him making the tournament, but his teams would have been awful the last 2 seasons without Wesson.

 

[HoosierJimbo89]

Painter isn't in the first tier, Izzo stands alone. The sizeable gap is between Izzo and Painter.

Amen. Painter was also not in Beilein's, Matta's, or Bo's league.

 

[PranksterMary]

Holtman is as good as Painter, if not better, he just doesn't have the career experience.

Holtman hasn’t coached enough to be in Painter’s strata. He might get there someday, but Painter is clearly the better guy today.

 

[OhioBoiler51]

I think Greg Gard is mediocre. Now that he’s about out of Bo Ryan players, I expect Wisconsin to take a nosedive.

I wouldn't be upset if this were to happen.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Coaching in the BIG is a combination of 1 good and the rest either mediocre or too new to judge. One of the weakest eras in coaching I can recall.

 

[ufo33]

No, I think Hoiberg should be ahead of Archie. Archie at 5 is very generous considering the results so far.

Actually the list seems fair. Painter is #2 based on longevity and overachieving last season, and Beilein left for the NBA. I'm surprised Chambers is not gone at PSU. Miles blew.

 

[ufo33]

Coaching in the BIG is a combination of 1 good and the rest either mediocre or too new to judge. One of the weakest eras in coaching I can recall.

Archie should rise on the list in the next few seasons.

 

[ufo33]

Holtman hasn’t coached enough to be in Painter’s strata. He might get there someday, but Painter is clearly the better guy today.

Holtmann and Archie may both be better than Painter long term. Painter has likely reached his ceiling, while Holtmann and Archie have not peaked yet in the B1G. Izzo may be getting close to calling it a career (Fife waiting in the wings).

 

[ufo33]

Not sold on Howard or Hoiberg.

 

[SIhoosier26]

I'll say this, the fact that the #2 coach in the conference hasn't made a final 4 in 15 seasons, isn't a good look for the Big Ten as a whole.

 

[ufo33]

I'll say this, the fact that the #2 coach in the conference hasn't made a final 4 in 15 seasons, isn't a good look for the Big Ten as a whole.

Painter has probably the 2nd longest tenure in the B1G next to Izzo. Keady made a 30 year career out of not making the Final Four at PU. So it is perfectly acceptable at PU to be good but never great, while at schools that have won, he would have been fired for mediocrity. Painter is a PU lifer like his mentor Keady.

 

[ufo33]

I'll say this, the fact that the #2 coach in the conference hasn't made a final 4 in 15 seasons, isn't a good look for the Big Ten as a whole.

The new, young coaches in the B1G are the next wave. Archie is part of the next gen of top tier potential coaches.

 

[SIhoosier26]

The new, young coaches in the B1G are the next wave. Archie is part of the next gen of top tier potential coaches.

Got to prove it first, I hope you're right.

 

[PranksterMary]

Painter has probably the 2nd longest tenure in the B1G next to Izzo. Keady made a 30 year career out of not making the Final Four at PU. So it is perfectly acceptable at PU to be good but never great, while at schools that have won, he would have been fired for mediocrity. Painter is a PU lifer like his mentor Keady.

Painter wouldn’t have been fired anywhere, including at IU, a program he’s consistently outperformed.

 

[SIhoosier26]

Painter wouldn’t have been fired anywhere, including at IU, a program he’s consistently outperformed.

He may not be fired (Fred Glass), but 15 years with one elite 8 and zero final 4s?

I'd for sure want him gone and I know plenty of IU fans that would agree. That being said, IU has always had a much higher ceiling than Purdue so who knows what he could do here.