There are plenty of books about the Holocaust to choose from. Like you, I know nothing about the TN school board in question, but these are eighth graders so let's not virtue signal in all caps...K?
Virtue signal? What in tarnation are you talking about? They voted to ban a Pulitzer Prize winning graphic novel (i.e., akin to a comic strip in book form, without the comedy) because a book about the Holocaust included a few bad words and a drawing of a naked mouse! Good Lord, are you that dense that you think this is somehow protecting 8th graders in Tennessee? It's about the f-u-c-k-i-n-g extermination of 6,000,000 Jews, yet a school board is worried about a few bad words and a naked mouse? The school board stated that the book was banned because “of its unnecessary use of profanity and nudity and its depiction of violence and suicide.” It's a book about the f-u-c-k-i-n-g Holocaust! How the hell do you have a book about the Holocaust without depicting violence, or suicide, or using a few "bad words"?
Virtue signal? What in tarnation are you talking about? They voted to ban a Pulitzer Prize winning graphic novel (i.e., akin to a comic strip in book form, without the comedy) because a book about the Holocaust including a few bad words and a drawing of a naked mouse! Good Lord, are you that dense that you think this is somehow protecting 8th graders in Tennessee? It's about the f-u-c-k-i-n-g extermination of 6,000,000 Jews, yet a school board is worried about a few bad words and a naked mouse? The school board stated that the book was banned because “of its unnecessary use of profanity and nudity and its depiction of violence and suicide.” It's a book about the f-u-c-k-i-n-g Holocaust! How the hell do you have a book about the Holocaust without depicting violence, or suicide, or using a few "bad words"?
And you too think it's acceptable for a school board to only allow books that teach a nicer or more pleasant version of the Holocaust? What should they use, a book that depicts Auschwitz as a summer camp for families with not so good food? Or gas chambers as where kids went to shower, with all of their clothes on? - hey, that fits perfectly with the no cartoon nudity stance. For f-u-c-k-s sake, the Holocaust should be taught exactly like it was.
Oh, and here's a naked mouse for you.
Have a beer manVirtue signal? What in tarnation are you talking about? They voted to ban a Pulitzer Prize winning graphic novel (i.e., akin to a comic strip in book form, without the comedy) because a book about the Holocaust included a few bad words and a drawing of a naked mouse! Good Lord, are you that dense that you think this is somehow protecting 8th graders in Tennessee? It's about the f-u-c-k-i-n-g extermination of 6,000,000 Jews, yet a school board is worried about a few bad words and a naked mouse? The school board stated that the book was banned because “of its unnecessary use of profanity and nudity and its depiction of violence and suicide.” It's a book about the f-u-c-k-i-n-g Holocaust! How the hell do you have a book about the Holocaust without depicting violence, or suicide, or using a few "bad words"?
And you too think it's acceptable for a school board to only allow books that teach a nicer or more pleasant version of the Holocaust? What should they use, a book that depicts Auschwitz as a summer camp for families with not so good food? Or gas chambers as where kids went to shower, with all of their clothes on? Hey, that fits perfectly with the no cartoon nudity stance, and it even fits with actual history I suppose. Of course there was a reason the Nazis told them it was actually a shower. Ironic.
For f-u-c-k-s sake, the Holocaust should be taught exactly like it was.
Oh, and here's a naked mouse for you.
The parents that are upset don't know what their kids are reading? Are they the type of parents that have built no trust in the relationship that they want their kids to have mind police when they can't be there.
Courtsense used to be sensible but then something went horribly wrong.Virtue signal? What in tarnation are you talking about? They voted to ban a Pulitzer Prize winning graphic novel (i.e., akin to a comic strip in book form, without the comedy) because a book about the Holocaust included a few bad words and a drawing of a naked mouse! Good Lord, are you that dense that you think this is somehow protecting 8th graders in Tennessee? It's about the f-u-c-k-i-n-g extermination of 6,000,000 Jews, yet a school board is worried about a few bad words and a naked mouse? The school board stated that the book was banned because “of its unnecessary use of profanity and nudity and its depiction of violence and suicide.” It's a book about the f-u-c-k-i-n-g Holocaust! How the hell do you have a book about the Holocaust without depicting violence, or suicide, or using a few "bad words"?
And you too think it's acceptable for a school board to only allow books that teach a nicer or more pleasant version of the Holocaust? What should they use, a book that depicts Auschwitz as a summer camp for families with not so good food? Or gas chambers as where kids went to shower, with all of their clothes on? Hey, that fits perfectly with the no cartoon nudity stance, and it even fits with actual history I suppose. Of course there was a reason the Nazis told them it was actually a shower. Ironic.
For f-u-c-k-s sake, the Holocaust should be taught exactly like it was.
Oh, and here's a naked mouse for you.
Plenty of great books about the Holocost. No need to prance around in your jersey.Virtue signal? What in tarnation are you talking about? They voted to ban a Pulitzer Prize winning graphic novel (i.e., akin to a comic strip in book form, without the comedy) because a book about the Holocaust included a few bad words and a drawing of a naked mouse! Good Lord, are you that dense that you think this is somehow protecting 8th graders in Tennessee? It's about the f-u-c-k-i-n-g extermination of 6,000,000 Jews, yet a school board is worried about a few bad words and a naked mouse? The school board stated that the book was banned because “of its unnecessary use of profanity and nudity and its depiction of violence and suicide.” It's a book about the f-u-c-k-i-n-g Holocaust! How the hell do you have a book about the Holocaust without depicting violence, or suicide, or using a few "bad words"?
And you too think it's acceptable for a school board to only allow books that teach a nicer or more pleasant version of the Holocaust? What should they use, a book that depicts Auschwitz as a summer camp for families with not so good food? Or gas chambers as where kids went to shower, with all of their clothes on? Hey, that fits perfectly with the no cartoon nudity stance, and it even fits with actual history I suppose. Of course there was a reason the Nazis told them it was actually a shower. Ironic.
For f-u-c-k-s sake, the Holocaust should be taught exactly like it was.
Oh, and here's a naked mouse for you.
Did he? I've been on these forums for twenty years, and I never saw it.
To keep this discussion going, I'll ask: is there an age at which you'd think Maus inappropriate? What age is that?Virtue signal? What in tarnation are you talking about? They voted to ban a Pulitzer Prize winning graphic novel (i.e., akin to a comic strip in book form, without the comedy) because a book about the Holocaust included a few bad words and a drawing of a naked mouse! Good Lord, are you that dense that you think this is somehow protecting 8th graders in Tennessee? It's about the f-u-c-k-i-n-g extermination of 6,000,000 Jews, yet a school board is worried about a few bad words and a naked mouse? The school board stated that the book was banned because “of its unnecessary use of profanity and nudity and its depiction of violence and suicide.” It's a book about the f-u-c-k-i-n-g Holocaust! How the hell do you have a book about the Holocaust without depicting violence, or suicide, or using a few "bad words"?
And you too think it's acceptable for a school board to only allow books that teach a nicer or more pleasant version of the Holocaust? What should they use, a book that depicts Auschwitz as a summer camp for families with not so good food? Or gas chambers as where kids went to shower, with all of their clothes on? Hey, that fits perfectly with the no cartoon nudity stance, and it even fits with actual history I suppose. Of course there was a reason the Nazis told them it was actually a shower. Ironic.
For f-u-c-k-s sake, the Holocaust should be taught exactly like it was.
Oh, and here's a naked mouse for you.
Of course you haven't...that would require a level of objectivity that you wouldn't recognize if it hit you in your fat gut.
Not answering for Noodle, but if you haven't read Maus, you need to. It's a work of art.
Like these 5 that have been banned by various schools?
www.oif.ala.org
I didn't read it until college, but here's the recollection of someone who read it at age 12:
www.nbcnews.com
Banning 451 is like the ultimate irony.
Are we calling books that schools choose not to teach within a curriculum "banned?"Like these 5 that have been banned by various schools?
5 Banned Books That Will Help You Learn About the Holocaust
One of the key consequences of book banning is erasure. When we decide that some things are too uncomfortable to talk about, we risk losing the memory of how things happen. We lose context, we lose people, we lose the truth.
I know you want to make a "Two Cathedrals" reference.
His argument isn't very good. He says he found it formative and a good read at age 12. He got if from the public library and read it alone, not in school.I didn't read it until college, but here's the recollection of someone who read it at age 12:
Opinion | Banning a seminal Holocaust book ahead of Holocaust Remembrance Day is a modern tragedy
Reading “Maus” was formative for me. But decades later, other public school students in Tennessee will be denied that same experience.
In practice, removing it from the curriculum means fewer students will be exposed to it. Sure, they can all get in line for one of the two copies at the public library downtown, but they won't all get the chance to read it. In other words, it's not simply that kids should be allowed to read Maus. It's that they should read Maus.
How do you think most people are exposed to books? About 40% say they have not read fiction in the last year, and 40% say they have not read nonfiction in the last year. The percentage of Americans choosing to read a Holocaust book on their own would seem to be a very small number, I doubt it cracks 10% and probably not 5.
malwarwickonbooks.com
Night? Good grief. I think they should make parents read the book and write a report before they can opt their kids out.
Whether they should read that book is a very value-laden decision, isn't it? I guess my point here is, you might be right, but I don't think what the school district is doing it "banning" the book and it's not unreasonable for them to have made this decision. (How does Maus compare to Schindler's List--an R rated movie that high school sophomores couldn't see in the theater without an adult parent or guardian?)
I don’t know but I agree that 13-14 is definitely appropriate.
It is value-laden. I consider it a value to challenge our children and expose them to material that forces them to think and face uncomfortable realities. We're desperately in danger of raising a generation of mindless puffballs who can't handle even the slightest excursion from the most narrow of comfort zones.
Oh, and I don't know what books you're talking about here, and would prefer to know the books and why they were dropped before answering with certainty, but I'm 99.9% sure I'll feel the same way about those books, as well.
Good point re how do you teach “Holocaust-light”? Should that even be done? I think we should teach the Holocaust by way of a series of devastating gut punches to one’s senses. Anything less just seems wrong.
I know Sawyer has been banned, and Mockingbird, both for the N word and I do completely disagree with both.
Yeah, the only reason I said 99.9% was I was leaving open the possibility that some right-thinking school somewhere dropped "Why the South was Right" from the curriculum. I assumed it was most likely going to be Twain and the like. I'm 100% with you on that, obviously.
My stoker taught Jr high Lit and language arts. This was 30 years ago. I mentioned this thread to her. Her literature focus was about growing up and character. She taught A Day No Pigs Would Die to every class—her favorite growing up book. . She taught a lot of Steinbeck and Orwell too. Also The Yearling and history and some biographies. . She also received complaints about some of the animal reproductive passages in books. . I guess my point is not the the Holocaust is unimportant. But at the junior high age there is so much other literature geared to growing up and problems kids face every year that is better. I have the impression that including any Holocaust book at this age is in furtherance of a different agenda related to the victim/perp mentality that dominates so much social interaction nowadays. I think there are other different and higher priorities for Jr. high kids.
Why am I not surprised? Sad but expected
You should also read Maus. You wouldn't worry about any sort of "victim/perp mentality" agenda if you did.
