Big Ten East next year.....
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I know something IU can do differently next year: Spend BTN money on better coaches. There's no reason we can't be like MSU. None. Nada. Zilch. All it takes is $$$$ and the BTN gives us plenty. Why not spend it on football?
In all fairness, in case you have not noticed, MSU has been playing football and recruiting at a very high level in this conference for decades.
IU is still trying to overcome 40 years of neglect.
Fans want to blame Allen or Glass for the sins of our past ADs and they are trying to go in and clean up 30+ years of rubble. As much as I liked a guy like Ralph Floyd (he was a former SEC guy where football was king), you'd think he would have invested some more funds into the football program during Mallory's peak. That was a fatal error. That was the time to start building on the momentum. He put it on cruise control and it sunk. Meanwhile, a guy like Hayden Fry comes in to the conference in 1979 and tells his administration he will walk if they don't build him a new practice facility. Next day, they announce the plans for a new indoor practice facility.
I'm telling you that the time to really seize momentum and lay the groundwork for decades was in the 80s. You had Big 2, Little 8. This was the period that the Little 8 guys should have started outdoing each other to grow their programs. And, some did.
IU just put it on cruise control.
There was and continues to be neglect of the IU football program, and that's the biggest reason it remains a losing program. Iowa changed their approach with the hiring of Fry, and facilities followed at some point, but not in the way or timeframe you say. HF started in 1979 and his indoor facility, an inflatable bubble, was finished in 1985. He went to a Rose Bowl before they even started to find the space for it. Good coaching is the most important criterion shared by all of the programs that have been successful. Facilities are great, but great coaching is the key.
MSU was pretty mediocre (admittedly slightly better than IU) for the 90s and 2000s. Got lucky with Saban. Danton got there and kicked ass.
What about our current program is being neglected? Specifically. We’re not where I want to be yet, but we are light-years away from the end of the DiNardo or Lynch years.
We are currently stuck in a pattern of blowing leads to teams like Ohio State and Michigan State and Michigan. While enormously frustrating, that doesn’t exactly mean that we need to nuke the program or that the program is being neglected. People here can just be so damn melodramatic.
By the way, did anyone else notice that this guy showed up immediately after ordfan 15.0 disappeared?
We can still compete with those teams. It's not like those teams stunk this year. I wish 1 or 2 of them would fall apart but it is what it is.
"Neglect" may be too strong a word, but I think the jury is very much out on IU's commitment to football, starting with the coach. I like Tom Allen and hope he succeeds, but he wouldn't have been a head coaching candidate last season at any other Power 5 school besides IU. He did a great job in his first year as the d coordinator, but no one else considered him ready to be a head coach other than IU, and that was more out of convenience and cost than his demonstrated ability. I hope he works out, but it's fair to question the commitment when they didn't choose to at least try to get the best coaches available to lead the program. I do realize other people don't think they could've done any better and that they got a diamond in the rough, but I don't see any evidence of that yet. The die is cast no matter what, so we'll see, but I think it's very reasonable to question the university's commitment based on their actions.
This. I mean, this was the stadium in 2008:
This will be the stadium in August:
There was zero excuse for even just one end zone of the stadium to look like that in 2008.
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It's absolutely him. He's already regurgitating the same points, with that unmistakable writing style, from his previous personas, and running with the trolls and negative nellies.
One big difference is that MSU has history and great fan support.
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BigRedFred or what ever his name was banned earlier this week and now this guy shows up today.
Michigan is a football state and MSU is able to pull in several 4 stars from in-state. In Michigan, you are either a Wolverine or a Spartan. In Indiana, you might be a Hoosier, Boilermaker, Irish, Buckeye, Cardinal, Wildcat, Wolverine, Spartan, Gator, Tar Heel, or Volunteer. IU and Purdue have been so mediocre in athletics that neither has a strong fanbase and therefore, kids flock out of this state in every sport.
Indiana has had an EXTREMELY poor run of athletics from roughly the middle 90s arguably until today. Their peer schools have enjoyed tremendous amounts of success while IU has generally struggled outside of a season here and there.
I just hope I see a consistent 8 to 9 win football program in my time on this planet.
I just hope I see a consistent 8 to 9 win football program in my time on this planet.
I have been alive for 47 years and have yet to see that consistently so don't count on it. To me until we see a constant fan base and fill the stadium we will never be considered seriously n college football. What big recruits will want to come to play at IU wit the stadium half empty. Without more top recruits we will never be able to consistently compete with the top programs.
You are kidding, right?
Slightly better than IU?
MSU went to 11 bowls between 1990 and 2010. We went to 4 and played in zero between 1994 and 2007.
And the unfortunate part is that our saving grace would then come between December and April....and that has now died.
Oh, it’s definitely Ord, guess he got tired of kissing the PU fans asses over on gbi as “danapoint”. I was hoping he would just stay over there on his knees.
I maybe a bit of a Homer, they were much better than IU but they were still mediocre.
Perles: 0.504 win%
Saban: 0.585
Williams: 0.457
Smith: 0.458
Then Dantonio comes and kicks ass at 0.690.
We have been mediocre for a while. I'd like to be not mediocre before I die. I say give Allen all the $$$ he needs to kick some ass.
There's currently 3 by my count...all within the past couple months. Every group needs the attention whore.
So true! I won’t make any excuses for this season, but had about six plays been made IU should have won 3 games (UM, MSU & MD). That would have been an 8-4 season +bowl. Can you imagine the reaction to first year of Allen like that?
They are still very close to beating the best teams. There are no more 52-10 losses. Coming off a losing season we had a nice early signing period that features a 4-star QB. We look to be hiring a hot young S&C coach from ND w/IU ties as well as to Avon HS @ IMG Academy.
Give it a rest with Allen criticism. Decision was made, not changing unless wheels fall off and there is nothing pointing to that at all.
Michigan State also plays a tough out of conference schedule led by Notre Dame. I think most people would be wildly happy if the Hoosier program was to be confused with Michigan State's
The defense was good. The problem was that we could not score and we constantly turned the ball over.
LOL! You're always good for a laugh! Every time I read your post, I'm reminded of a pre-teen having a tantrum.
