So, which scenario would be an example of better coaching- keeping the team in line and have a steady year or have the team go so far down like they were, causing many to say CAM has lost the team and needs to be fired, only to turn it around in such dramatic fashion? Just curious as to what the board thinks
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Obviously anything positive is all about the players just hitting everything. CAM has ZERO to do with that. If we lose it’s all CAMs fault. Not sure WTF your problem is, but get with the program. Fire Fred. Fire CAM
We thumped them in their house and they have some decent victories. Excellent win anyway you slice it.
Having the majority of your team healthy makes a big difference. You can coach your butt off but you have to have the players to win..
Seems odd how we played well before we got decimated by injuries and now that we are healthier we have won some big games... coincidence?
It's just basketball. Play hard. Try to win. Compete every game. That's pretty much what I want to see.
Sounds like if they had shut Illinois out 110 - 0, you would not have been impressed. What could they have done tonight (or the last couple of weeks) to make you think this team is playing well? 2-2 against the best in the league (barely losing the two games), and then blowing out another team on the road... is that not what most fans hope for? Yes, I would have loved to have had one break go our way in each of the other games and been 5-0 in our last five games, but this team has been playing really well these past few weeks.
Archie did not once throw any players under the bus, made no real injury excuses. We have a 5 star, but he can't go left beyond 2 dribbles and he struggles shooting outside. Rob getting healthy is huge to running the offense and playing tough defense. Davis not looking like he is walking around like an 80 year old helps. Getting healthy allows Archie to use the bench as motivation is as important as any coaching move.
People that think Archie doesn't know how to coach, in my humble opinion, are clueless.
People that think Archie doesn't know how to coach, in my humble opinion, are clueless.
we sliced that team to ribbons. intellectually
We will not really have a good idea of CAMs coaching acumen for 2 more years. However our offense was much improved and seemed organized on the road in a hostile environment. The boys were all looking for the open man and helping on defense. They have played with grit and heart now for several weeks. Having a healthy Phinisee made a huge difference. Only 2 team turnovers in the first half. Green playing under control. Something happened to adjust the attitude of the squad. If we can run a smart unselfish offense moving forward we will be a tough team to beat.
Also when players are healthy for a time the players can get into a rhythm with each other. Those who just want to complain and say the Illini are just a bad team and that is the only reason why we won just show how much they know about basketball
I agree. Just watch the game and look how the team is playing. That will tell you a lot. Just open your eyes.
Is Michigan State not a good team? We swept them. What about Wisconsin or Marquette? At the very least you have to admit that this team is playing good ball right now. I don't know what changed in the locker room but at this point they look like a totally different team.
some beautiful, old time, hansen brothers basketball just happened
And people also forget we start 2 sophs and 2 freshmen.
Que Tom Crean 'we're young' here
There's none so blind as those who will not see.
Interesting stat that Jackson had after the game. IU is now 9-1 when they have (IIRC) 15 assists.
I agree with you. One game shouldn't change anyone's mind one way or the other. It was great watching us blast a team.
Any road win in the B10 is a good win; and you are a douchebag.
Look there are some people on this board that no matter who was coaching or what our record is are going to whine, because that's just who they are as people.
One game? Are you forgetting MSU and Wisconsin? At the time. the Purdue and Iowa games weren't significant because we still lost. Looking back it is clear our play changed drastically after the Minnesota game and continues to improve. We beat an 11-18 team on the road as a good team should.
Some people want to confirm their premature damnation of Archie so bad that they deny the team has rebounded from a bad time.
Not only that, they almost want to use victories as further evidence of his being unfit for the job.
I haven't ignored that poster yet. Denial that injuries and youth stunted the teams development and that is all Archie's fault will add them to the list.Not only that, they almost want to use victories as further evidence of his being unfit for the job.
I'm not releasing the staff from all blame. I'm sure looking back there may have been something they missed or would do differently. I find it important to watch how people react to a difficult issue. Archie didn't throw players under the bus and found a way to get the team headed in the right direction. That isn't an easy task.
Why should 3 games change my outlook? Using that theory you should have flip flopped on Archie when he lost 11 out of 12. Of course most of you didn't flip fop and instead called people like myself b#tches, idiots, and etc (to be fair you've always been cordial). There was even several posters inferring fpeaugh should die. I know he can be annoying, but wishing death on someone, is ridiculous, because you disagree over how good a coach is.
I'm happy that we won and really want to make the tourney. However, a couple of wins isn't going to change my longterm outlook. If we beat, Rutgers, win a couple of games in the big ten tourney and a game in the NCAA tourney, it will move the needle for me, some.
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he's not even the bag. he's the end of the hose that get's inserted during an enema.
we all can't wait until the needle moves for you. then we can all breathe again
if you knew more about the game you would appreciate having miller as the coach of your favorite team. enjoy the ride
And the two previous wins over Wisconsin & MSU doesn’t move your “little fella”, either?
I'd have jet812 kiss your a@s if you were half as good as I was at basketball. So, save me the nonsense of your basketball superiority.
I'd first figure out how to form complete sentences, before claiming Archie Miller is a hall of fame coach, after beating a 11-19 Illinois team on the road.
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Agree. Coaches can improve as much as a team. Archie is in a new situation and adjusting, hope he learns from mistakes and continues on an upward trajectory. I believe he understands the game and feel he needs to get better at motivating these types of athletes. It’s a different type of player and environment than Dayton. He will learn from this season and get better every year, along with his teams.
What happened? Here's my theory:
Phinisee threw away his crutches and wheelchair a couple games ago. I thought he was as fast as I've ever seen him on a couple of his drives against Illinois. He adds a dimension to IU's game on noth ends.
I'm reevaluating my previous, cautious opinion that he wouldn't make a dramatic improvement until his sophomore year. He might already be doing that right now.
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And having 4 arms never hurts.What happened? Here's my theory:
Phinisee threw away his crutches and wheelchair a couple games ago. I thought he was as fast as I've ever seen him on a couple of his drives against Illinois. He adds a dimension to IU's game on noth ends.
I'm reevaluating my previous, cautious opinion that he wouldn't make a dramatic improvement until his sophomore year. He might already be doing that right now.
I did not flip on Archie because there was no reason to. It would be stupid to blame him for the roster he inherited and to give up before he had his second recruiting class on campus. Instead, I knew Archie is a good coach. I wanted to see if he could pull the team together and coach his way out of a bad situation. I would say people were correct in not rushing to judgement.
The bench Archie was left with during this season was scary. People are idiots if they are looking at a small snapshot and not seeing the bigger picture, I don't agree with every lineup or move any coach makes. I have like most of what Archie has done and I am prepared to give him the time he needs to get his work done.
Well, even when we were playing well early on, we still were without Hunter, and Davis for the most part, McRoberts was game to game and not the same, and I think Durham and Green both missed a little time. Been a brutal year for injuries all in all. It'll be terrific if they can go on a run here at the end, and sneak in to the tourney. Would make this year feel SO much better and give Juwan and probably Romeo a better send off.
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