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Bad Week for the puKES

Top 50 Langhorne de-commits from purdue.
purdue is losing their top guards. Maybe painter can recruit another foreign 7 footer instead.
 
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I don't like to bag on Purdue, and it sounds to me like they might be dodging a bullet (4 HS kids I think are generally more trouble than their worth; if that's indeed true!), but this might be the most Purdue thing ever: I went to Rivals Bball recruiting site and just searched under "Purdue" thinking they'd have a story and ranking for the kid.

When you do that, here's what Rivals search engine brings up as suggested alternates:

  • Do you mean: Perdue Purdie Purdum Pardue
So, you type in the correct spelling of the name of a "major" university, and it then suggests a whole list of misspellings, because the name is so foreign? Purdum is my personal fav; yes, that's exactly what I meant! (fyi, I checked it by doing the same with Vanderbilt and it only listed the correct spelling. That was the first "non-standard" college name I could think of!) Only Purdue... Here give it a shot yourself:

 
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while I'm really not crazy at all about how this NIL thing is playing out across the land, it's obvious that the Boilers are late to the party and are now hurting badly as a result. Some DEFCON starting to kick in on GBI over this subject. Even saw someone mention a repeat of the "Painter to Mizzou" subject....ie CMP tells AD/board to pony up or I'm walkin...didn't he play that card with their facilities 10 yrs ago? Again, just free board venting, but with their best team ever falling short this past year, and with NIL suddenly killing their recruiting, they're back to their sensitive, grumpy ways.
 
while I'm really not crazy at all about how this NIL thing is playing out across the land, it's obvious that the Boilers are late to the party and are now hurting badly as a result. Some DEFCON starting to kick in on GBI over this subject. Even saw someone mention a repeat of the "Painter to Mizzou" subject....ie CMP tells AD/board to pony up or I'm walkin...didn't he play that card with their facilities 10 yrs ago? Again, just free board venting, but with their best team ever falling short this past year, and with NIL suddenly killing their recruiting, they're back to their sensitive, grumpy ways.
Matt Painter has downplayed NIL from the start and it's had a trickle down effect among the fan base. Ask any Purdue fan about NIL and they'll tell you it's taboo. Where do you think they got that from?
 
Matt Painter has downplayed NIL from the start and it's had a trickle down effect among the fan base. Ask any Purdue fan about NIL and they'll tell you it's taboo. Where do you think they got that from?
I haven't spent too much time following the PU approach to NIL, but I do sense that they initially felt they were above all this 'pay to play' stuff...and now that they realize they're swimming against a tsunami, they're scrambling to catch up and probably never will completely. Their 'moral high ground' has turned into the hill they'll die on.

The deal that Pack got to snub them and go play at the U is better than anything getting thrown at G League players (by a factor of 5-10). Hell it's as good (at least for 2 yrs guaranteed) as a Vice President working for General Dynamics.

Crazy to think that some of these kids might actually earn more money playing in college than they will when they turn pro.
 
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Matt Painter has downplayed NIL from the start and it's had a trickle down effect among the fan base. Ask any Purdue fan about NIL and they'll tell you it's taboo. Where do you think they got that from?
Don't forget about Mitch's op-ed lamenting the new ways and extolling the virtues of club teams that pay their own way as being what college sports should really be all about.
 
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I haven't spent too much time following the PU approach to NIL, but I do sense that they initially felt they were above all this 'pay to play' stuff...and now that they realize they're swimming against a tsunami, they're scrambling to catch up and probably never will completely. Their 'moral high ground' has turned into the hill they'll die on.

The deal that Pack got to snub them and go play at the U is better than anything getting thrown at G League players (by a factor of 5-10). Hell it's as good (at least for 2 yrs guaranteed) as a Vice President working for General Dynamics.

Crazy to think that some of these kids might actually earn more money playing in college than they will when they turn pro.
Yeah, spot on. I see why someone would snub their noses at pay for play, and prop themselves on a high horse. With no boundaries nothing is illegal (if you have the right lawyers and agreements), but that doesn’t mean it isn’t dirty. It is, it’s now a race to Calapari programs.

the problem is, for PU, there’s too much money at stake. It’s quite noble to want to beat all the dirtiest programs by doing things the “right” way, but now the roster differentials will be so vast. Can a program like PU compete against teams with multi million dollar payrolls, just by the magic of coach painter and player / team development? I say no chance.

they need to roll in the mud or be left behind.
 
I haven't spent too much time following the PU approach to NIL, but I do sense that they initially felt they were above all this 'pay to play' stuff...and now that they realize they're swimming against a tsunami, they're scrambling to catch up and probably never will completely. Their 'moral high ground' has turned into the hill they'll die on.

The deal that Pack got to snub them and go play at the U is better than anything getting thrown at G League players (by a factor of 5-10). Hell it's as good (at least for 2 yrs guaranteed) as a Vice President working for General Dynamics.

Crazy to think that some of these kids might actually earn more money playing in college than they will when they turn pro.
It's the exact hill Painter approached and the hill they are going to die on. They'll one day establish a collective, and believe they are building one right now, but for a school with such a small fan base, they're years behind. Painter's thoughts on NIL less than 3 months ago, just after they lost out on Pack:

"We want to keep signing the players we have been signing," Painter told GoldandBlack.com Monday. "That's kind of our forward thrust. We're not trying to use the one-time transfer or Name, Image and Likeness in any capacity to do something different. We feel like we're on the right path. We've made strides in recruiting; we've made strides in our development of our players, and we're still graduating all our guys. There are a lot of good things that are happening."
 
It's the exact hill Painter approached and the hill they are going to die on. They'll one day establish a collective, and believe they are building one right now, but for a school with such a small fan base, they're years behind. Painter's thoughts on NIL less than 3 months ago, just after they lost out on Pack:

"We want to keep signing the players we have been signing," Painter told GoldandBlack.com Monday. "That's kind of our forward thrust. We're not trying to use the one-time transfer or Name, Image and Likeness in any capacity to do something different. We feel like we're on the right path. We've made strides in recruiting; we've made strides in our development of our players, and we're still graduating all our guys. There are a lot of good things that are happening."
What I don’t get (and maybe it’s due to not being a native Hoosier and being unaware of what factors in here) is how *any* Big Ten school can have a “small” fan base (outside of Northwestern). It isn’t as if PU doesn’t have a massive enrollment, so they should at least have a large alumni base, I would think.
 
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What I don’t get (and maybe it’s due to not being a native Hoosier and being unaware of what factors in here) is how *any* Big Ten school can have a “small” fan base (outside of Northwestern). It isn’t as if PU doesn’t have a massive enrollment, so they should at least have a large alumni base, I would think.
95% of Purdue fans are Purdue Alums (they constantly brag about this). IU has a very large portion of the fanbase (guessing the majority) that never attended IU. Purdue fans refer to these fans as “Walmart Fans” and for some reason think it’s a bad thing.
 
What I don’t get (and maybe it’s due to not being a native Hoosier and being unaware of what factors in here) is how *any* Big Ten school can have a “small” fan base (outside of Northwestern). It isn’t as if PU doesn’t have a massive enrollment, so they should at least have a large alumni base, I would think.
Perhaps they just don’t care as much about sports?

we get sucked into fandom in college. Coming out of IU I was a big college basketball fan, and didn’t care about college FB. Is that a surprise?
 
I haven't spent too much time following the PU approach to NIL, but I do sense that they initially felt they were above all this 'pay to play' stuff...and now that they realize they're swimming against a tsunami, they're scrambling to catch up and probably never will completely. Their 'moral high ground' has turned into the hill they'll die on.

The deal that Pack got to snub them and go play at the U is better than anything getting thrown at G League players (by a factor of 5-10). Hell it's as good (at least for 2 yrs guaranteed) as a Vice President working for General Dynamics.

Crazy to think that some of these kids might actually earn more money playing in college than they will when they turn pro.
I don't think there is any doubt at all about that. Some will completely flame out before ever getting drafted. Same old story, really. Get paid, get lazy.
 
95% of Purdue fans are Purdue Alums (they constantly brag about this). IU has a very large portion of the fanbase (guessing the majority) that never attended IU. Purdue fans refer to these fans as “Walmart Fans” and for some reason think it’s a bad thing.
But *why* is that the case?

I was born and raised in the Detroit area. There, while you’re going to find more UM fans due to Ann Arbor’s proximity, you’ll still find plenty of MSU fans, too. In fact, I’d reckon the split to be something like 60/40 or, at the very outside, 70/30. From what I understand, in, for example, Indy, it’s *nothing* like that.
 
But *why* is that the case?

I was born and raised in the Detroit area. There, while you’re going to find more UM fans due to Ann Arbor’s proximity, you’ll still find plenty of MSU fans, too. In fact, I’d reckon the split to be something like 60/40 or, at the very outside, 70/30. From what I understand, in, for example, Indy, it’s *nothing* like that.
You might be thinking too hard. It's actually as simple as PURDUE SUCKS.
 
But *why* is that the case?

I was born and raised in the Detroit area. There, while you’re going to find more UM fans due to Ann Arbor’s proximity, you’ll still find plenty of MSU fans, too. In fact, I’d reckon the split to be something like 60/40 or, at the very outside, 70/30. From what I understand, in Indy it’s *nothing* like that.
I would guess because Purdue has had basically no relevant success in either Football or Basketball while IU has 5 national championships in basketball. The only real way to attract non alums as fans is by having success. Same way Notre Dame has such a massive following while have significantly less enrollment than Purdue.
 
What I don’t get (and maybe it’s due to not being a native Hoosier and being unaware of what factors in here) is how *any* Big Ten school can have a “small” fan base (outside of Northwestern). It isn’t as if PU doesn’t have a massive enrollment, so they should at least have a large alumni base, I would think.
Life long Hoosier here. To break it down to the lowest common denominator PUke doesn't have a large abundant fan base other than what sits in the seats because without a history of national successes only small amount of alumni are engaged. Much of their support doesn't get beyond verbal. At least as I've always looked at it.
 
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Perhaps they just don’t care as much about sports?
That’s commonly heard over on GBI. Maybe it’s true, but it seems to me that in any large group you’re going to find a lot of variation. You can bet that even at an OSU you’ll find plenty of people who don’t give a rip about football and are actually at the school to get an education.
 
I do appreciate all the answers. I’ve just always found the situation puzzling.

I’m not doubting the truth of the situation. I live quite near the Amish/Mennonite country in the northern part of the state. You see a lot of ND stuff, but it’s the local team and so understandable. You see *some* IU stuff, and definitely more than PU. Yet, obviously, we’re much closer to West Lafayette than Bloomington.

I don’t geddit …
 
I haven't spent too much time following the PU approach to NIL, but I do sense that they initially felt they were above all this 'pay to play' stuff...and now that they realize they're swimming against a tsunami, they're scrambling to catch up and probably never will completely. Their 'moral high ground' has turned into the hill they'll die on.

The deal that Pack got to snub them and go play at the U is better than anything getting thrown at G League players (by a factor of 5-10). Hell it's as good (at least for 2 yrs guaranteed) as a Vice President working for General Dynamics.

Crazy to think that some of these kids might actually earn more money playing in college than they will when they turn pro.
I dont follow PU at all, and could care less.... But I was so glad about how IU handled this from the jump. I knew this would becomes an arms race, and IU is at the top of the mountain right now.

Scott, Pam, and Coach Woodson deserve a ton of credit for not taking the typical IU approach, as it seems PU did.
 
Life long Hoosier here. To break it down to the lowest common denominator PUke doesn't have a large abundant fan base other than what sits in the seats because without a history of national successes only small amount of alumni are engaged. Much of their support doesn't get beyond verbal. At least as I've always looked at it.

Even in Indiana the fan base grew enormously with the success that RMK had. I came from the Kokomo area. When I went to IU in the fall of 73, you could not have found an IU shirt in Kokomo to save your life. No flags, no bumper stickers - ALL PU and with the proximity to PU, not entirely a surprise. IU was the best team in the land in 75, won in 76 so you start seeing some IU follownin in the area, win in 81 and it increases. Win in 87 and every Tom, Dick and Harry has been an IU fan "All their lives", yea right. Just human nature. With IU's struggles the past 20+ years, that trend has reversed somewhat. I noticed the other day in Sam's, LOTS of PU stuff, little IU stuff.
 
What I don’t get (and maybe it’s due to not being a native Hoosier and being unaware of what factors in here) is how *any* Big Ten school can have a “small” fan base (outside of Northwestern). It isn’t as if PU doesn’t have a massive enrollment, so they should at least have a large alumni base, I would think.
*Small compared to other Big 10 fanbases, with the exception of Northwestern.

Two things working against Purdue:

1. It's not the name-state university
2. Purdue has had absolutely zero national success in any sport and because of that doesn't have any national name recognition. To most outsiders, Purdue is an engineering school in the middle of nowhere, it's not linked with athletics.

The overwhelming majority of Purdue fans are Purdue alums. I would bet IU and Purdue, as is the case with most other B10 schools, have a percent of alumni that don't care about sports. But Purdue lacks the recognition and appeal to non-alums in regards to athletics because they don't have any success.
 
Even in Indiana the fan base grew enormously with the success that RMK had. I came from the Kokomo area. When I went to IU in the fall of 73, you could not have found an IU shirt in Kokomo to save your life. No flags, no bumper stickers - ALL PU and with the proximity to PU, not entirely a surprise. IU was the best team in the land in 75, won in 76 so you start seeing some IU follownin in the area, win in 81 and it increases. Win in 87 and every Tom, Dick and Harry has been an IU fan "All their lives", yea right. Just human nature. With IU's struggles the past 20+ years, that trend has reversed somewhat. I noticed the other day in Sam's, LOTS of PU stuff, little IU stuff.
The IU stuff always sells, PU stuff lingers. Lots of it backordered on line these days.

We had a shit ton of what I call Knight-o -Philes back then who were not IU fans as much as fans of RMK. Most went away thankfully. Some lingered...Ducati/twinnodegrees, Gojko, Ordfan...guys who started and frequented the anti-Davis site "Hooplooper" or something close. Gojko is likely passed, Ducati is now the mayor of GBI and IU-hater and Ordy...well..we all know where he does his hate'n.
 
*Small compared to other Big 10 fanbases, with the exception of Northwestern.

Two things working against Purdue:

1. It's not the name-state university
2. Purdue has had absolutely zero national success in any sport and because of that doesn't have any national name recognition. To most outsiders, Purdue is an engineering school in the middle of nowhere, it's not linked with athletics.

The overwhelming majority of Purdue fans are Purdue alums. I would bet IU and Purdue, as is the case with most other B10 schools, have a percent of alumni that don't care about sports. But Purdue lacks the recognition and appeal to non-alums in regards to athletics because they don't have any success.
I would only add that IU has less "tech" alumni and are more inclined to be active social families, less rural, successful people with lots of opportunities and disposable income. It is obvious when you live in the state.
 
95% of Purdue fans are Purdue Alums (they constantly brag about this). IU has a very large portion of the fanbase (guessing the majority) that never attended IU. Purdue fans refer to these fans as “Walmart Fans” and for some reason think it’s a bad thing.
This is true. I have lots of friends and relatives(some attended Purdue) who are season ticket holders at IU. I go to IU games with a buddy who went to PUke for civil engineering. He goes to Way more IU games.
 
The IU stuff always sells, PU stuff lingers. Lots of it backordered on line these days.

We had a shit ton of what I call Knight-o -Philes back then who were not IU fans as much as fans of RMK. Most went away thankfully. Some lingered...Ducati/twinnodegrees, Gojko, Ordfan...guys who started and frequented the anti-Davis site "Hooplooper" or something close. Gojko is likely passed, Ducati is now the mayor of GBI and IU-hater and Ordy...well..we all know where he does his hate'n.
your last sentence......LMFAO. Yep, keeps popping back up like a pimple that won't heal.
 
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*Small compared to other Big 10 fanbases, with the exception of Northwestern.

Two things working against Purdue:

1. It's not the name-state university
2. Purdue has had absolutely zero national success in any sport and because of that doesn't have any national name recognition. To most outsiders, Purdue is an engineering school in the middle of nowhere, it's not linked with athletics.

The overwhelming majority of Purdue fans are Purdue alums. I would bet IU and Purdue, as is the case with most other B10 schools, have a percent of alumni that don't care about sports. But Purdue lacks the recognition and appeal to non-alums in regards to athletics because they don't have any success.
Timeout. Someone doesn't remember that bass fishing title, do they?
 
*Small compared to other Big 10 fanbases, with the exception of Northwestern.

Two things working against Purdue:

1. It's not the name-state university
2. Purdue has had absolutely zero national success in any sport and because of that doesn't have any national name recognition. To most outsiders, Purdue is an engineering school in the middle of nowhere, it's not linked with athletics.

The overwhelming majority of Purdue fans are Purdue alums. I would bet IU and Purdue, as is the case with most other B10 schools, have a percent of alumni that don't care about sports. But Purdue lacks the recognition and appeal to non-alums in regards to athletics because they don't have any success.

The women won!

Isn't that their ONLY NCAA title in a team sport?
 
*Small compared to other Big 10 fanbases, with the exception of Northwestern.

Two things working against Purdue:

1. It's not the name-state university
2. Purdue has had absolutely zero national success in any sport and because of that doesn't have any national name recognition. To most outsiders, Purdue is an engineering school in the middle of nowhere, it's not linked with athletics.

The overwhelming majority of Purdue fans are Purdue alums. I would bet IU and Purdue, as is the case with most other B10 schools, have a percent of alumni that don't care about sports. But Purdue lacks the recognition and appeal to non-alums in regards to athletics because they don't have any success.
Whoop there it is. Add to that, there is nothing iconic about the town/school/campus, i.e., it lacks anything remotely emblematic of culture apart from livestock (two-legged and four). Has no classic identity like Notre Dame (Luck of the Irish, Catholic and a longtime gridiron juggernaut), no mystique like Bloomington (Performing/Liberal Arts, Mellencamp, Little 500/Breaking Away, AH, exemplary natural environment). West Laffy is a backwater acultural wasteland with no distinguishing/iconic features or legacy that competes with Champaign as the the ugliest/most depressing/lifeless campus in the Big (although I profess to have no experience of Lincoln or Piscataway).

Unless one went to school there, few know where pU/WL actually is, and all who did left as soon as they could. On a side note, Bertha and the Prairie Manatees are performing all weekend at Digby's if flabadabadoo is your thing.
 
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