B1G Semi

[daddyhoosier]

When Indiana travels to Columbus in t-minus 12 days it will essentially be a Big Ten Semifinal game. More than likely the winner will face Oregon in the B1G Championship in Indianapolis because I don't see Oregon losing.

If Ohio State wins they have the tie-breaker with Penn State. If Indiana wins Oregon and Indiana will likely meet with both teams undefeated. (I very rarely say this about a Big Ten Game but Indiana isn't losing to Purdue.) If it's Hoosiers vs Ducks they will meet as either Nos. 1 and 2 or 1 and 3.

So in this sense there is a lot at stake.

In another sense IU will be playing with house money. I say this because regardless of what happens I think Indiana has done enough already to make the College Football Playoff. (If they get absolutely thumped like 59-0 by the Bucknuts then maybe not but that's not going to happen.) So it's not all or nothing at the Shoe. You play to win obviously but even if it doesn't go your way you're still in the running for the Natty (at least that's my opinion).

Trust the process and treat the Bucknuts like every other team this year. Be confident, play loose, and take a nice healthy swing at it! Enjoy the moment, you've earned it!

Ohio State sucks and so does Purdue!

 

[812jmac]

This is the same way I see it. Who has more to lose next Saturday? It's not us. OSU has potential playoff implications if they lose a second game.

That's not even considering the impact of us beating them at their place.

They're vulnerable. I think we faced the best D-Line we're gonna face in conference with UM. OSU's O-Line is getting better, but still iffy. I expect our D-Line to get back to form. Our Offense gets back to form, I think our D will keep it from being a full fledged shootout.

 

[Irregulars]

When Indiana travels to Columbus in t-minus 12 days it will essentially be a Big Ten Semifinal game. More than likely the winner will face Oregon in the B1G Championship in Indianapolis because I don't see Oregon losing.

If Ohio State wins they have the tie-breaker with Penn State. If Indiana wins Oregon and Indiana will likely meet with both teams undefeated. (I very rarely say this about a Big Ten Game but Indiana isn't losing to Purdue.) If it's Hoosiers vs Ducks they will meet as either Nos. 1 and 2 or 1 and 3.

So in this sense there is a lot at stake.

In another sense IU will be playing with house money. I say this because regardless of what happens I think Indiana has done enough already to make the College Football Playoff. (If they get absolutely thumped like 59-0 by the Bucknuts then maybe not but that's not going to happen.) So it's not all or nothing at the Shoe. You play to win obviously but even if it doesn't go your way you're still in the running for the Natty (at least that's my opinion).

Trust the process and treat the Bucknuts like every other team this year. Be confident, play loose, and take a nice healthy swing at it! Enjoy the moment, you've earned it!

Ohio State sucks and so does Purdue!

Got me fired up daddyhoosier!!!!

 

[olympian97]

I noticed the team that plays in the big ten championship and loses has to play at least one more game than everyone else (17 games total to play for National championship). Big 10 champion and any teams not playing in the conference championship that get selected all only have to play 16. So, the loser of the B1G championship game has the toughest road to hoe as far as staying fresh for a playoff run as they would have to play 5 post season games.

 

[Walt542]

I noticed the team that plays in the big ten championship and loses has to play at least one more game than everyone else (17 games total to play for National championship). Big 10 champion and any teams not playing in the conference championship that get selected all only have to play 16. So, the loser of the B1G championship game has the toughest road to hoe as far as staying fresh for a playoff run as they would have to play 5 post season games.

This is true and they will get one week less rest than everyone. Does this not hold true for the loser of the SEC championship game as well?

 

[olympian97]

This is true and they will get one week less rest than everyone. Does this not hold true for the loser of the SEC championship game as well?

Yes, holds true for losers of all conference championship games that make the playoffs. I was only focused on the B1G in my comment, but yes that is accurate.

 

[daddyhoosier]

Got me fired up daddyhoosier!!!!

I'm fired up by that Block I!!

 

[TomEric4756]

When Indiana travels to Columbus in t-minus 12 days it will essentially be a Big Ten Semifinal game. More than likely the winner will face Oregon in the B1G Championship in Indianapolis because I don't see Oregon losing.

If Ohio State wins they have the tie-breaker with Penn State. If Indiana wins Oregon and Indiana will likely meet with both teams undefeated. (I very rarely say this about a Big Ten Game but Indiana isn't losing to Purdue.) If it's Hoosiers vs Ducks they will meet as either Nos. 1 and 2 or 1 and 3.

So in this sense there is a lot at stake.

In another sense IU will be playing with house money. I say this because regardless of what happens I think Indiana has done enough already to make the College Football Playoff. (If they get absolutely thumped like 59-0 by the Bucknuts then maybe not but that's not going to happen.) So it's not all or nothing at the Shoe. You play to win obviously but even if it doesn't go your way you're still in the running for the Natty (at least that's my opinion).

Trust the process and treat the Bucknuts like every other team this year. Be confident, play loose, and take a nice healthy swing at it! Enjoy the moment, you've earned it!

Ohio State sucks and so does Purdue!

IU has been playing with house money since beating Nebraska. And has been collecting more every win since. Yes, we got us a de facto semifinal. Perhaps MI was a seeded quarter final.

Bryant gets an extra game of OSUs revamped OL tape. Bostad gets two weeks to rework his OL and recommend blocking concepts for OSU. Shanahan, Sunseri, and Cignetti get two weeks to install plays for OSU.

Everyone gets an extra week of rest. There’s a lot to like in this opportunity.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Having IU play in Indy would be spectacular for the state and city.

The BTCG is always a good event for us but nothing close to what it would be with the Hoosiers in town.

The entire downtown would be rocking for 48 hrs.

 

[Stuffshot]

When Indiana travels to Columbus in t-minus 12 days it will essentially be a Big Ten Semifinal game. More than likely the winner will face Oregon in the B1G Championship in Indianapolis because I don't see Oregon losing.

If Ohio State wins they have the tie-breaker with Penn State. If Indiana wins Oregon and Indiana will likely meet with both teams undefeated. (I very rarely say this about a Big Ten Game but Indiana isn't losing to Purdue.) If it's Hoosiers vs Ducks they will meet as either Nos. 1 and 2 or 1 and 3.

So in this sense there is a lot at stake.

In another sense IU will be playing with house money. I say this because regardless of what happens I think Indiana has done enough already to make the College Football Playoff. (If they get absolutely thumped like 59-0 by the Bucknuts then maybe not but that's not going to happen.) So it's not all or nothing at the Shoe. You play to win obviously but even if it doesn't go your way you're still in the running for the Natty (at least that's my opinion).

Trust the process and treat the Bucknuts like every other team this year. Be confident, play loose, and take a nice healthy swing at it! Enjoy the moment, you've earned it!

Ohio State sucks and so does Purdue!

I hope you're right but am a little pessimistic.

OSU and Oregon are almost impossible to beat, by anyone. We easily could have 2 losses. If we lose to OSU we could be tied with both OSU and PSU. Then, it may be possible (due to tiebreakers) that we wouldn't be in the big Ten Championship game with Oregon.

Three darlings of the BCS Committee already have 2 losses and are in the top 12: Alabama, Mississippi and Georgia. If we get 2 losses, we won't be placed higher than those 3.

We haven't fallen yet -- those three have already fallen near their floor. Last week, Georgia fell 9 spots from just one new loss. If we do that, we'd be 14th and out of the picture.

It's not just bias against IU. The BCS has disfavored other schools in the past who had better than average seasons. They don't seem to like newcomers or outliers.

I hope you're right that we'll get in the playoffs.

 

[Bucket Getter]

I hope you're right but am a little pessimistic.

OSU and Oregon are almost impossible to beat, by anyone. We easily could have 2 losses. If we lose to OSU we could be tied with both OSU and PSU. Then, it may be possible (due to tiebreakers) that we wouldn't be in the big Ten Championship game with Oregon.

Three darlings of the BCS Committee already have 2 losses and are in the top 12: Alabama, Mississippi and Georgia. If we get 2 losses, we won't be placed higher than those 3.

We haven't fallen yet -- those three have already fallen near their floor. Last week, Georgia fell 9 spots from just one new loss. If we do that, we'd be 14th and out of the picture.

It's not just bias against IU. The BCS has disfavored other schools in the past who had better than average seasons. They don't seem to like newcomers or outliers.

I hope you're right that we'll get in the playoffs.

I’m having a hard time seeing how we’d finish with 2 losses. Purdue?

 

[Stuffshot]

I’m having a hard time seeing how we’d finish with 2 losses. Purdue?

Suppose we lose to OSU but, due to the Big Ten tiebreakers, still find ourselves in the championship game against Oregon and lose again.

Don't really know if that's feasible, because I haven't created a spreadsheet to work through the tiebreakers. Maybe someone else has, or will.

Big Ten football tiebreakers: How conference will decide championship game matchup with divisions gone away

The Big Ten heads into its first season without divisions in 2024

www.cbssports.com

 

[IUMD98]

Suppose we lose to OSU but, due to the Big Ten tiebreakers, still find ourselves in the championship game against Oregon and lose again.

Don't really know if that's feasible, because I haven't created a spreadsheet to work through the tiebreakers. Maybe someone else has, or will.

Big Ten football tiebreakers: How conference will decide championship game matchup with divisions gone away

The Big Ten heads into its first season without divisions in 2024

www.cbssports.com

If we lose to OSU would need them to lose to Michigan and Penn State to lose another game.

 

[Stuffshot]

If we lose to OSU would need them to lose to Michigan and Penn State to lose another game.

Thanks. I still expect to get screwed by the BCS.

As an example, the powers have scheduled our game against OSU for 12 noon, but put Northwestern vs. Michigan as the featured game at 3:30. There may be an innocent reason for this, but there is no way that IU vs. OSU is not the most significant game of the Big Ten weekend.

 

[daddyhoosier]

If we lose to OSU and there is a 3-way tie between IU, OSU & PSU at 11-1 I believe OSU would get the nod since they would have beaten the other two head-to-head.

 

[raar2]

Dare to dream (too early?)

IU has set themselves up to do something very very special.

I've been mulling over how successful seasons are viewed by fans, media, and the sports business (meaning recruiting, coaching carousel, TV deals, NFL, fund raising)
It seems there is a step-schedule on who reaps kudos benefit at each step of success.

+The turn around is great for the program/uni
++ The +W's and winning streak is great for Cig
+++ The ranking is great for the fans
++++ Winning the B16 is great for the alumni
+++++ Advancing in the tourney is great for the coaching staff
++++++++Winning the national title takes individuals... great for the players.

Thus far, the media has focused hard on what a great coach CCC is. The team should know, winning a national title seals in history what great players they are.
Finish the conference strong, then the remaining games belong to the PLAYERS.

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

Thanks. I still expect to get screwed by the BCS.

As an example, the powers have scheduled our game against OSU for 12 noon, but put Northwestern vs. Michigan as the featured game at 3:30. There may be an innocent reason for this, but there is no way that IU vs. OSU is not the most significant game of the Big Ten weekend.

Noon is the featured spot for Fox and Fox is our biggest media rights holder. This is like the 3rd year for that and it'll continue into the future.

 

[red hornet]

Dare to dream (too early?)

IU has set themselves up to do something very very special.

I've been mulling over how successful seasons are viewed by fans, media, and the sports business (meaning recruiting, coaching carousel, TV deals, NFL, fund raising)
It seems there is a step-schedule on who reaps kudos benefit at each step of success.

The turn around is great for the program/uni
The +W's and winning streak is great for Cig
The ranking is great for the fans

Winning the B16 is great for the alumni
Advancing in the tourney is great for the coaching staff
Winning the national title takes individuals... great for the players.

Thus far, the media has focused hard on what a great coach CCC is. The team should know, winning a national title seals in history what great players they are.
Finish the conference strong, then the remaining games belong to the PLAYERS.

The New Indiana vs. OSU is the biggest game in IU FB history, period! CRACK the Bucknuts!

 

[76-1]

The New Indiana vs. OSU is the biggest game in IU FB history, period! CRACK the Bucknuts!

"Smash the Worthless Nuts" -

Bill Mallory

 

[kmathum]

I hope you're right but am a little pessimistic.

OSU and Oregon are almost impossible to beat, by anyone. We easily could have 2 losses. If we lose to OSU we could be tied with both OSU and PSU. Then, it may be possible (due to tiebreakers) that we wouldn't be in the big Ten Championship game with Oregon.

Three darlings of the BCS Committee already have 2 losses and are in the top 12: Alabama, Mississippi and Georgia. If we get 2 losses, we won't be placed higher than those 3.

We haven't fallen yet -- those three have already fallen near their floor. Last week, Georgia fell 9 spots from just one new loss. If we do that, we'd be 14th and out of the picture.

It's not just bias against IU. The BCS has disfavored other schools in the past who had better than average seasons. They don't seem to like newcomers or outliers.

I hope you're right that we'll get in the playoffs.

No way they keep an 11 and 1 team out of a 16 team playoff. Ain't happening. Let's just win the last 2 and make it a moot point.

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

No way they keep an 11 and 1 team out of a 16 team playoff. Ain't happening. Let's just win the last 2 and make it a moot point.

It's not a 16 team playoff.

 

[IUclover]

How many?

12 teams. Top 4 receive a bye and remaining 8 play in a quarter final round.

How the 12-team College Football Playoff will work: Teams, schedule, bids

Here's a breakdown of how the new 12-team College Football Playoff will work — starting in 2024-25 — according to CFP officials.

www.ncaa.com

 

[kmathum]

12 teams. Top 4 receive a bye and remaining 8 play in a quarter final round.

How the 12-team College Football Playoff will work: Teams, schedule, bids

Here's a breakdown of how the new 12-team College Football Playoff will work — starting in 2024-25 — according to CFP officials.

www.ncaa.com

I stand corrected. There's no way they keep an 11 and 1 team out of a 12 team playoff.

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

I stand corrected. There's no way they keep an 11 and 1 team out of a 12 team playoff.

There is, it's just not very likely. Unless you have played a weak schedule and your name is Indiana.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

I stand corrected. There's no way they keep an 11 and 1 team out of a 12 team playoff.

There are ways to keep us out.

If BYU goes UD regular season but loses in the title game (say, to Colorado), Big 12 could get two in. The committee might choose BYU over us if they lose in the CC games v. us losing badly to OSU. And Colorado would be automatic.

So lets start with Colorado & BYU. Add Boise St as one spot is reserved for non P5. So that's 3.

Add Oregon, OSU & PSU from the Big. That's 6.

I think the SEC gets at least 4. Bama GA, TN, TX. TX & TN only have 1 loss. The others 2 losses. So that's 10. Maybe 11 if SEC gets 5. Say A& M beats TX, or maybe ole miss does something big. They also have only have 2 losses now.

ACC has to get at least 1. And then ND. So there's your 12 with SEC getting 4 and 13 with SEC getting 5, not counting IU.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

I stand corrected. There's no way they keep an 11 and 1 team out of a 12 team playoff.

According to the SEC fans, any 2-loss SEC team is more deserving than a 1-loss IU.

 

[kmathum]

There are ways to keep us out.

If BYU goes UD regular season but loses in the title game (say, to Colorado), Big 12 could get two in. The committee might choose BYU over us if they lose in the CC games v. us losing badly to OSU. And Colorado would be automatic.

So lets start with Colorado & BYU. Add Boise St as one spot is reserved for non P5. So that's 3.

Add Oregon, OSU & PSU from the Big. That's 6.

I think the SEC gets at least 4. Bama GA, TN, TX. TX & TN only have 1 loss. The others 2 losses. So that's 10. Maybe 11 if SEC gets 5. Say A& M beats TX, or maybe ole miss does something big. They also have only have 2 losses now.

ACC has to get at least 1. And then ND. So there's your 12 with SEC getting 4 and 13 with SEC getting 5, not counting IU.

You may be right but I just don't see it.

 

[Army88]

There are many possibilities of IU win/loss vs osu, that certainly will affect the position of All teams for the playoff.
The variable that seems stupid to me (at least makes no sense other than selection based on something other than merit), is why they set up a guarantee for weaker teams to secure a bye? This creates a mess. Potentially , less qualified teams obtain byes, bumping the better teams out of preferred playoff spots (bye or home field advantage in round one).
Time will tell, but my preference is to Not play in Big Ten Champ game, yet still have position 5-8, securing home field advantage in round one. Then play Notre Dame in Btown.
This avoids playing Oregon (I’d rather play Notre game, byu, or boisie state in B-town in round one) as our 13th game.
I just don’t know how this scenario might work out!
On the other hand, beating osu and Oregon sounds okay.

 

[cd_hoosiers]

If we lose to OSU would need them to lose to Michigan and Penn State to lose another game.

If IU and PSU tie for second with 1 loss each to OSU, wouldn't it go to the 4th tiebreaker?

"The tied teams will be compared based on the best cumulative conference winning percentage of all conference opponents."

Which likely won't flush out fully until the last day of the season.

 

[Stuffshot]

There are many possibilities of IU win/loss vs osu, that certainly will affect the position of All teams for the playoff.
The variable that seems stupid to me (at least makes no sense other than selection based on something other than merit), is why they set up a guarantee for weaker teams to secure a bye? This creates a mess. Potentially , less qualified teams obtain byes, bumping the better teams out of preferred playoff spots (bye or home field advantage in round one).
Time will tell, but my preference is to Not play in Big Ten Champ game, yet still have position 5-8, securing home field advantage in round one. Then play Notre Dame in Btown.
This avoids playing Oregon (I’d rather play Notre game, byu, or boisie state in B-town in round one) as our 13th game.
I just don’t know how this scenario might work out!
On the other hand, beating osu and Oregon sounds okay.

In the old days of topnotch IU basketball, we would just say, "We don't care who. We're good enough to beat all of you. If you want a championship, you gotta play us eventually. If someone else beats you in, say, the Sweet 16 don't come whining to us when we beat someone else in the championship."

The powers don't want that attitude nowadays. The BCS is just about money and politics. No way they select teams based solely on merit. They'll even use computer analysis to screw the newcomers/outliers like IU. They feel more secure when they pick teams with the same college names as last year, the year before that and the year before that.....

Georgia dropped nine spots last week in the coaches' poll due to just one new loss. If we lose to OSU and drop nine spots, we will probably be dropped from the playoffs.

It sucks so:

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

In the old days of topnotch IU basketball, we would just say, "We don't care who. We're good enough to beat all of you. If you want a championship, you gotta play us eventually. If someone else beats you in, say, the Sweet 16 don't come whining to us when we beat someone else in the championship."

The powers don't want that attitude nowadays. The BCS is just about money and politics. No way they select teams based solely on merit. They'll even use computer analysis to screw the newcomers/outliers like IU. They feel more secure when they pick teams with the same college names as last year, the year before that and the year before that.....

Georgia dropped nine spots last week in the coaches' poll due to just one new loss. If we lose to OSU and drop nine spots, we will probably be dropped from the playoffs.

It sucks so:

The BCS died 4+ years ago. And they left undefeated FSU out last year and TCU got in the year before that. ASide from that, you're spot on.

 

[Stuffshot]

The BCS died 4+ years ago. And they left undefeated FSU out last year and TCU got in the year before that. ASide from that, you're spot on.

Yes, you're right that I should have referred to CFP instead of BCS. My bad.

But still no reason to think that we won't get screwed by arbitrary decisions by the CFP (instead of the BCS) though. The selection format still sounds arbitrary as hell:

"The five highest-ranked conference champions and the next seven highest-ranked teams will earn a spot in the 12-team bracket. There is no limit to how many teams from one conference can qualify. The rules also don't guarantee spots for certain conferences. The champions of the Big 12, SEC, ACC and Big Ten will almost certainly routinely qualify, though, along with the highest-ranked champion from the Mountain West, American Athletic Conference, Sun Belt, Mid-American Conference or Conference USA."

How does College Football Playoff work? Rules, dates, more

The College Football Playoff is getting a makeover in 2024! Check out the new format, bracket, selection committee, schedule and other details.

www.espn.com

Then it goes on to say:

"There is no minimum ranking requirement for the five highest-ranked conference champions. There could be a conference champion ranked No. 23, for example, that's the fifth highest-ranked league winner and earns a spot in the playoff -- at the expense of the committee's No. 12 team."

Can anyone really claim this favoritism toward league champions is meant to determine the 12 best football teams?

 

[ElMeson]

The BCS died 4+ years ago. And they left undefeated FSU out last year and TCU got in the year before that. ASide from that, you're spot on.

The BCS died in 2013. It’s been the CFP since then. The BCS started in 1998 and used a computer formula along with the polls to put the #1 vs #2 ranked teams together. The BCS Bowls were then the remaining schools who were the power 5 championship and highest rated schools.