Auburn expects basketball program to receive Notice of Allegations from NCAA

[TommyCracker]

Re: Duke, I think you are buying into a conspiracy theory. It is far more reasonable, in my opinion anyway, that Coach Krzyżewski's cultivated record and reputation is a self-propelling phenomenon. I'd be surprised if it ever came to light that Duke buys players. Duke is a smallish institution, easier to monitor for compliance, as well as an excellent institution academically.

Til about 2013 ish, when he hired the recently fired for recruiting infractions Jeff Capel as his lead recruiter and almost automatically kicked Calipari to the curb as the one and done master...something he was disgusted with just ten years earlier.

It's been established that these guys command 1 to 3 hundred thousand to play (Wade was phone tapped paying Naz Reid $300k. There are multiple texts linking Zion in a pay to play including Kansas and Clemson).

How has recruiting gone since the FBI stirred the pot a bit? I'm curious of the ripple effect.

Anyway, these pay to play one and done kids are not giving up the money because they've always dreamed of joining the brotherhood.

Maybe Sean will get fired and he'll join our staff this fall and be our Capel like so many want.

I mean it's all above the table right? No one would bat an eye if we started pulling in $300k pay for play players left and right.

 

[fpeaugh]

In recorded phone conversations, I believe it was going to cost Kansas $100,000 and a few other considerations to get Zion. Do you think he went to Duke for free? Bagley was nailed for Jewelry?

You don’t think they could’ve convinced him his return in terms of publicity and draft status would add up to more than $100k? Because it did just that. Duke and Coach K made that kid millions with their platform. Much more than $100k

 

[fpeaugh]

From what I read, it is far more established that the shoe companies are making payments to families of players and recruits, rather than schools themselves. The schools are affiliated with a particular shoe company. I think this is where the corruption lies. This is where NCAA will have to do its heavy lifting. I am allowing for the circumstance that some coaches are more honest than others.

Like in Romeo’s case?

 

[TommyCracker]

You don’t think they could’ve convinced him his return in terms of publicity and draft status would add up to more than $100k? Because it did just that. Duke and Coach K made that kid millions with their platform. Much more than $100k

How about Reddish...or Barrett for that matter who was the consensus #1 coming into the season.

If Zion plays like he did at Kansas or Clemson or Florida International...he's still must see TV and would be making millions.

Hell Garland moved up because he got hurt after a good game and then wasn't seen by anyone.

 

[fpeaugh]

How about Reddish...or Barrett for that matter who was the consensus #1 coming into the season.

If Zion plays like he did at Kansas or Clemson or Florida International...he's still must see TV and would be making millions.

Hell Garland moved up because he got hurt after a good game and then wasn't seen by anyone.

All 3 were drafted in the top 10 big guy.

 

[TommyCracker]

All 3 were drafted in the top 10 big guy.

Going to Dook didn't make them top ten picks. They were considered top 5.

The question was asked if Duke has broken bad since they are the leaders of the one and done game and it's been established that they command up to $300k. Is Dook that desired, to play for a 70 year old coach, that they ask for money elsewhere like Zion did but pulled back that demand 'because it's Duke'?

Now who needs to learn the game old man?

 

[Squonk too]

Going to Dook didn't make them top ten picks. They were considered top 5.

The question was asked if Duke has broken bad since they are the leaders of the one and done game and it's been established that they command up to $300k. Is Dook that desired, to play for a 70 year old coach, that they ask for money elsewhere like Zion did but pulled back that demand 'because it's Duke'?

Now who needs to learn the game old man?

I hardly believe that anything of the sort–Duke signees/players command $300k–has been established. All that we know of is that criminals and shady characters discussed such payments. You have to be fair. It really is plausible that players went to play for Coach K for other reasons. Let's see some evidence, not gossip and conjecture.

 

[fpeaugh]

Going to Dook didn't make them top ten picks. They were considered top 5.

The question was asked if Duke has broken bad since they are the leaders of the one and done game and it's been established that they command up to $300k. Is Dook that desired, to play for a 70 year old coach, that they ask for money elsewhere like Zion did but pulled back that demand 'because it's Duke'?

Now who needs to learn the game old man?

You keep calling them “Dook” clown. They’ll keep winning and we’ll keep losing. But if calling them “Dook” makes you feel better then knock yourself out.

 

[Elgacjd]

Who said they should punish them? I agree you can't punish them if there aren't rules that address them. All I'm saying is create those rules. It should have been, and should be a violation of NCAA rules to intentionally create courses that require less than a minimum curriculum baseline, for any academic advisor or staff member. It also should be the responsibility of coaches to police the classes their athletes are taking and report such findings, when they notice a pattern. There is 0% chance that Roy Williams didn't know that 1) Rashad McCants was a challenged student, and 2) that he was taking lots of courses in AA Studies and those were bolstering his grades. He didn't want to know. If he doesn't investigate that, then that would/should be a violation.

You are a fountain of misinformation my friend. McCants wasn't a challenged student. He was a lazy student. As a matter of fact, McCants was an honor roll student in high school.

"Was the student of the year at New Hampton in 2001 • Averaged 25 points and seven rebounds as a senior • Born Rashad Dion McCants on Sept. 25, 1984, in Asheville • Honor roll student at New Hampton • "

https://goheels.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=10782

 

[SIhoosier26]

You are a fountain of misinformation my friend. McCants wasn't a challenged student. He was a lazy student. As a matter of fact, McCants was an honor roll student in high school.

"Was the student of the year at New Hampton in 2001 • Averaged 25 points and seven rebounds as a senior • Born Rashad Dion McCants on Sept. 25, 1984, in Asheville • Honor roll student at New Hampton • "

https://goheels.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=10782

F*ck UNC.

 

[Elgacjd]

Since this thread has turned into a UNC discussion, what do you guys think about the NCAA refusing to punish schools like Michigan, Auburn, Duke and Stanford for their academic misconduct?

https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/academics/stories/2008/03/athletes_steered_to_prof.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/14/sports/ncaafootball/14auburn.html

https://nypost.com/2002/03/01/whistle-toots-on-academic-fraud-div-1-hoop-grad-rates-a-scam/

https://www.stanforddaily.com/2011/03/09/1046687/

 

[Squonk too]

Since this thread has turned into a UNC discussion, what do you guys think about the NCAA refusing to punish schools like Michigan, Auburn, Duke and Stanford for their academic misconduct?

https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/academics/stories/2008/03/athletes_steered_to_prof.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/14/sports/ncaafootball/14auburn.html

https://nypost.com/2002/03/01/whistle-toots-on-academic-fraud-div-1-hoop-grad-rates-a-scam/

https://www.stanforddaily.com/2011/03/09/1046687/

I read the Michigan and Stanford articles, then went off hunting for more depth. I found a journal article on the topic.

If you have the inclination to digest a long study that names and discusses particular programs and cases, and explains the ethics behind NCAA's shortcomings in equitably treating academic fraud, here goes. Warning: it will download the PDF to your machine (319 KB).

NCAA Academic Fraud Cases and Historical Consistency:
A Comparative Content Analysis
https://journals.iupui.edu/index.php/jlas/article/download/22209/21356

"Findings indicate the most common forms of academic fraud include providing exam answers and/or writing assignments for athletes. Inconsistencies exist regarding the following: disassociation periods for individuals, accrediting letters, institutional probation, informing future athletes of sanctions, and paying of fines. As such, it can be inferred that the NCAA may use Fletcher’s Theory of Situational Ethics in its decision making."

 

[TommyCracker]

You keep calling them “Dook” clown. They’ll keep winning and we’ll keep losing. But if calling them “Dook” makes you feel better then knock yourself out.

Awww is someone upset? Did I hurt your feelings. Maybe have some pudding and take a nap old man and then you'll feel better.

Better yet, educate yourself on how the recruiting game is played today.

 

[TommyCracker]

I hardly believe that anything of the sort–Duke signees/players command $300k–has been established. All that we know of is that criminals and shady characters discussed such payments. You have to be fair. It really is plausible that players went to play for Coach K for other reasons. Let's see some evidence, not gossip and conjecture.

From an anonymous coach who was an ESPN analyst joking about knowing that Anthony Davis took at least 100k because that's what he offered him and was the rate that was out there (per Seth Greenberg. Hmmm who was an ex coach and then analyst at the time who would joke about a thing...not Pearl now) to the Kansas/Maryland bid for DeSousa to Bowen to Naz Reid to Deyonte Ayton to Bagley and to Zion....they've established the going rate is between 100k to 300k.

You really think every single one and done that Dook has signed in the past five to ten years (and Kentucky, and Memphis, and Vandy, and Arizona, and Kansas, and Auburn, etc) past up on that cash because they grew up a Dook, UK whatever fan??

Again, understand the game.

 

[TommyCracker]

Since this thread has turned into a UNC discussion, what do you guys think about the NCAA refusing to punish schools like Michigan, Auburn, Duke and Stanford for their academic misconduct?

https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/academics/stories/2008/03/athletes_steered_to_prof.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/14/sports/ncaafootball/14auburn.html

https://nypost.com/2002/03/01/whistle-toots-on-academic-fraud-div-1-hoop-grad-rates-a-scam/

https://www.stanforddaily.com/2011/03/09/1046687/

How do you feel about finding that academic fraud loophole and exploiting it...along with Dook turning into a one and done factory (at a minimum Nike is delivering the players like a modern day Sam Gilbert) all while NC State cries foul....

And of course NC State is going to get slapped by the NCAA for paying for whoever that one and done player was that led them to 4 conference wins in his one year.

Totally worth it!

 

[PranksterMary]

From an anonymous coach who was an ESPN analyst joking about knowing that Anthony Davis took at least 100k because that's what he offered him and was the rate that was out there (per Seth Greenberg. Hmmm who was an ex coach and then analyst at the time who would joke about a thing...not Pearl now) to the Kansas/Maryland bid for DeSousa to Bowen to Naz Reid to Deyonte Ayton to Bagley and to Zion....they've established the going rate is between 100k to 300k.

You really think every single one and done that Dook has signed in the past five to ten years (and Kentucky, and Memphis, and Vandy, and Arizona, and Kansas, and Auburn, etc) past up on that cash because they grew up a Dook, UK whatever fan??

Again, understand the game.

Which is why so many people expressed concern about the payments, I mean expenses, paid to Romeo’s father. Highly likely that, if your version of things is accurate, IU is already swimming in the same pool.

 

[TommyCracker]

Which is why so many people expressed concern about the payments, I mean expenses, paid to Romeo’s father. Highly likely that, if your version of things is accurate, IU is already swimming in the same pool.

If it comes out that we did and were...I'm not going to fall out of my chair from shock.

Hope not and believe it was more about his local, state brand in his specific case (and that he committed so late after the FBI started threatening) but wouldn't be stunned speechless.

It's not like any of our coaches post Knight have taken on a strong anti cheating stance so I'm not sure why we still cling to Knight's very public beliefs that they do.

I'm curious if there is a recruiting shift, at least in the short term from the trials in college bb in general.

 

[Elgacjd]

How do you feel about finding that academic fraud loophole and exploiting it...along with Dook turning into a one and done factory (at a minimum Nike is delivering the players like a modern day Sam Gilbert) all while NC State cries foul....

And of course NC State is going to get slapped by the NCAA for paying for whoever that one and done player was that led them to 4 conference wins in his one year.

Totally worth it!

It wasn't a loophole. The NCAA has refused to prosecute cases like these in the past, just read those links I provided above for proof. Jay Bilas tried to tell everyone from the beginning that the NCAA had no case but some fans refused to listen to him.

 

[kkott]

You are a fountain of misinformation my friend. McCants wasn't a challenged student. He was a lazy student. As a matter of fact, McCants was an honor roll student in high school.

"Was the student of the year at New Hampton in 2001 • Averaged 25 points and seven rebounds as a senior • Born Rashad Dion McCants on Sept. 25, 1984, in Asheville • Honor roll student at New Hampton • "

https://goheels.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=10782

A lazy student is a challenged student if they aren't getting the grades, and at Carolina he wasn't.... until he got in AAS classes. I've heard him admit himself that he was awarded good grades without doing the work. New Hampton is a prep school, not his regular high school which was in Asheville. I agree he's not dumb, but he was on the path to being academically ineligible and would have been without the AAS classes. I know it hurts, but that championship is a mockery, sorry!


https://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story...ll-star-rashad-mccants-says-took-sham-classes

 

[Elgacjd]

A lazy student is a challenged student if they aren't getting the grades, and at Carolina he wasn't.... until he got in AAS classes. I've heard him admit himself that he was awarded good grades without doing the work. New Hampton is a prep school, not his regular high school which was in Asheville. I agree he's not dumb, but he was on the path to being academically ineligible and would have been without the AAS classes. I know it hurts, but that championship is a mockery, sorry!

https://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story...ll-star-rashad-mccants-says-took-sham-classes

This is the same McCants who also compared playing at UNC to being in jail because he was forced to to go class...

In an interview that aired on WRAL-TV on Friday night, McCants compared playing college basketball to being in jail. He also said he considered his time in the program to be his job.

"It's to get up and go to school, get here and lift weights and play basketball," McCants said in the interview. "That's my 9-to-5. As my uncle said, I'm in jail right now. You're not allowed
to do certain things, you're not allowed to say certain things. "But once you get out of jail, you're free. So I'm just in my sentence and I'm doing my time."


And it's the same McCants who claimed he was going to be paid 310 million by the NCAA and UNC right after making his accusations against the AFAM program.

https://www.si.com/college-basketba...ball-rashad-mccants-310-million-coming-ncaa-0

As far as eligibility goes, McCants took those classes in the fall semester. He was ready to leave for the NBA draft, he even announced he was leaving in the locker room as soon as he played his last game at UNC. It wouldn't have mattered if he failed every single class because he was already out the door. I believe McCants saw an easy way out by taking the AFAM IS classes. And if someone did indeed wrtte papers for McCants, that's on him.

McCants was encouraged to discuss the AFAM classes with the NCAA, Wainstein and UNC but he refused to do so on multiple occasions. I wonder why?

University of North Carolina officials have reportedly attempted to set up a meeting with former player Rashad McCants about allegations concerning academic fraud that he made on ESPN's "Outside the Lines."

"I learned today of public statements you have made that indicate your knowledge of potential NCAA rule violations involving the University of North Carolina," the UNC letter to McCants said, the Observer reported. "I would like to meet with you at your earliest convenience to discuss this in greater detail."

A copy of McCants' university transcript, labeled "unofficial" and obtained by "Outside the Lines," shows that in his non-African-American studies classes, McCants received six C's, one D and three F's. In his African-American studies classes -- many of which are referred to as "paper classes" because students did not have to attend them -- his grades were 10 A's, six B's, one C and one D.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-b...yer-rashad-mccants-allegations-academic-fraud

 

[kkott]

This is the same McCants who also compared playing at UNC to being in jail because he was forced to to go class...

In an interview that aired on WRAL-TV on Friday night, McCants compared playing college basketball to being in jail. He also said he considered his time in the program to be his job.

"It's to get up and go to school, get here and lift weights and play basketball," McCants said in the interview. "That's my 9-to-5. As my uncle said, I'm in jail right now. You're not allowed
to do certain things, you're not allowed to say certain things. "But once you get out of jail, you're free. So I'm just in my sentence and I'm doing my time."


And it's the same McCants who claimed he was going to be paid 310 million by the NCAA and UNC right after making his accusations against the AFAM program.

https://www.si.com/college-basketba...ball-rashad-mccants-310-million-coming-ncaa-0

As far as eligibility goes, McCants took those classes in the fall semester. He was ready to leave for the NBA draft, he even announced he was leaving in the locker room as soon as he played his last game at UNC. It wouldn't have mattered if he failed every single class because he was already out the door. I believe McCants saw an easy way out by taking the AFAM IS classes. And if someone did indeed wrtte papers for McCants, that's on him.

McCants was encouraged to discuss the AFAM classes with the NCAA, Wainstein and UNC but he refused to do so on multiple occasions. I wonder why?

University of North Carolina officials have reportedly attempted to set up a meeting with former player Rashad McCants about allegations concerning academic fraud that he made on ESPN's "Outside the Lines."

"I learned today of public statements you have made that indicate your knowledge of potential NCAA rule violations involving the University of North Carolina," the UNC letter to McCants said, the Observer reported. "I would like to meet with you at your earliest convenience to discuss this in greater detail."

A copy of McCants' university transcript, labeled "unofficial" and obtained by "Outside the Lines," shows that in his non-African-American studies classes, McCants received six C's, one D and three F's. In his African-American studies classes -- many of which are referred to as "paper classes" because students did not have to attend them -- his grades were 10 A's, six B's, one C and one D.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-b...yer-rashad-mccants-allegations-academic-fraud

This isn't a referendum on Rashad McCants... I do think he's looking for for the easy out... but you keep arguing from both sides of your mouth: is he a "great student on the honor roll" or was he struggling academically? And if he's struggling academically, don't you think his HC should know if all of a sudden he starts getting lots of passing grades? So then Roy's "awww shucks, I didn't know..." defense, is not a defense but an indictment (it is anyway, we all know a HC at a major D1 program knows exactly where their players stand... if they want to. Heck I know a guy who played at App St in the 90s and he said if he skipped a class, his Coach knew about it before the end of the day). And, former Academic Advisor Mary Willingham corroborates RM statements about what was going on and who knew, or should have. Bottom line, McCant's isn't eligible without the AAS classes... so that NC is tainted. And on top of all that, there's no doubt what happened... a willful scheme to keep athletes eligible; the only argument is should or shouldn't the NCAA police it. I could care less if they do or don't, but I think any program or individual who willfully creates courses like this should be.

 

[PranksterMary]

This isn't a referendum on Rashad McCants... I do think he's looking for for the easy out... but you keep arguing from both sides of your mouth: is he a "great student on the honor roll" or was he struggling academically? And if he's struggling academically, don't you think his HC should know if all of a sudden he starts getting lots of passing grades? So then Roy's "awww shucks, I didn't know..." defense, is not a defense but an indictment (it is anyway, we all know a HC at a major D1 program knows exactly where their players stand... if they want to. Heck I know a guy who played at App St in the 90s and he said if he skipped a class, his Coach knew about it before the end of the day). And, former Academic Advisor Mary Willingham corroborates RM statements about what was going on and who knew, or should have. Bottom line, McCant's isn't eligible without the AAS classes... so that NC is tainted. And on top of all that, there's no doubt what happened... a willful scheme to keep athletes eligible; the only argument is should or shouldn't the NCAA police it. I could care less if they do or don't, but I think any program or individual who willfully creates courses like this should be.

Nearly every P5 university admits athletes who would never have a prayer of getting into school absent their athletic ability. And to top it off, they provide these unqualified “students” with free tuition, room and board. They also have free medical care for anything related to their sport, free tutoring, access to outstanding facilities, the opportunity to travel extensively . . . all free. And many of them wouldn’t be admitted if not for the decision to lower standards to accommodate them.

Once they arrive, they’re pushed into athletic majors designed to keep them eligible but almost always lacking in any real college level curricula or even real world applicability that makes a prospective employer take notice. They have tutors and advisors aplenty, too, and loads of help studying, writing papers and preparing for exams. In fact, they even enjoy preferential class registration so that their academic schedules don’t conflict with practices and games. And, when it’s all said and done, many still possess the academic skills of an early high schooler, at best.

The house has been on fire for decades and you’re worried that flies may be coming in through an open window. We passed “tainted” miles and miles ago.

 

[kkott]

Nearly every P5 university admits athletes who would never have a prayer of getting into school absent their athletic ability. And to top it off, they provide these unqualified “students” with free tuition, room and board. They also have free medical care for anything related to their sport, free tutoring, access to outstanding facilities, the opportunity to travel extensively . . . all free. And many of them wouldn’t be admitted if not for the decision to lower standards to accommodate them.

Once they arrive, they’re pushed into athletic majors designed to keep them eligible but almost always lacking in any real college level curricula or even real world applicability that makes a prospective employer take notice. They have tutors and advisors aplenty, too, and loads of help studying, writing papers and preparing for exams. In fact, they even enjoy preferential class registration so that their academic schedules don’t conflict with practices and games. And, when it’s all said and done, many still possess the academic skills of an early high schooler, at best.

The house has been on fire for decades and you’re worried that flies may be coming in through an open window. We passed “tainted” miles and miles ago.

I agree, and those are benefits and resources available to almost all D1 scholly players of the major sports.... and despite all that, an Academic Advisor at UNC willfully and intentionally created sham courses with conspiring faculty members to keep their athletes eligible, above and beyond the advantages and resources you mention. What part of that is confusing for folks, or maybe I'm the confused one??? It honestly doesn't matter to you that despite the flaws that exist with all major D1 scholly athletes that an Academic Advisor took the additional step of creating these sham courses? That's the difference for me, but it doesn't seem to register with a lot of others.

Easy courses/majors have always existed. This was an entire department that was giving away grades and was created specifically for that purpose to keep athletes eligible by an Academic Advisor employed by the athletic department, and who (willfully) failed to police it. You don't see the difference between this and what you described?

 

[PranksterMary]

I agree, and those are benefits and resources available to almost all D1 scholly players of the major sports.... and despite all that, an Academic Advisor at UNC willfully and intentionally created sham courses with conspiring faculty members to keep their athletes eligible, above and beyond the advantages and resources you mention. What part of that is confusing for folks, or maybe I'm the confused one??? It honestly doesn't matter to you that despite the flaws that exist with all major D1 scholly athletes that an Academic Advisor took the additional step of creating these sham courses? That's the difference for me, but it doesn't seem to register with a lot of others.

Easy courses/majors have always existed. This was an entire department that was giving away grades and was created specifically for that purpose to keep athletes eligible by an Academic Advisor employed by the athletic department, and who (willfully) failed to police it. You don't see the difference between this and what you described?

But the courses existed for and were used by the entire student body. The sham isn’t that easy courses like this exist to help SA’s maintain eligibility. It’s that schools have long ago sold out the integrity of their institutions by literally welcoming and paying for kids whom they wouldn’t otherwise admit or even consider for admission under any circumstances. That’s the real obscenity, and it’s an accepted part of nearly every school, save a few. Hell, IU is one of the easiest schools in the Big 10 for athletes (and non athletes) to get in to. Isn’t that far more concerning than a further dumbed down curriculum at a school where attendance and course work are far from compulsory?

 

[Elgacjd]

This isn't a referendum on Rashad McCants... I do think he's looking for for the easy out... but you keep arguing from both sides of your mouth: is he a "great student on the honor roll" or was he struggling academically? And if he's struggling academically, don't you think his HC should know if all of a sudden he starts getting lots of passing grades? So then Roy's "awww shucks, I didn't know..." defense, is not a defense but an indictment (it is anyway, we all know a HC at a major D1 program knows exactly where their players stand... if they want to. Heck I know a guy who played at App St in the 90s and he said if he skipped a class, his Coach knew about it before the end of the day). And, former Academic Advisor Mary Willingham corroborates RM statements about what was going on and who knew, or should have. Bottom line, McCant's isn't eligible without the AAS classes... so that NC is tainted. And on top of all that, there's no doubt what happened... a willful scheme to keep athletes eligible; the only argument is should or shouldn't the NCAA police it. I could care less if they do or don't, but I think any program or individual who willfully creates courses like this should be.

McCants was lazy. Apparently, he didn't want to put in the work required to make himself a better player or student. There's a reason different coaches asked McCants to seek mental help over the years. Read the link below, it's always somebody else's fault... UNC, the Kardashian family and NBA coaches who just keep misunderstanding poor Rashad.

http://thecommittedgeneration.com/rashad-mccants-blame-game/


As far as Mary Willingham goes, she plagiarized her own master's thesis on top of having her research debunked. She also had to admit she lied during her appearance on ESPN's OTL about the paper she submitted to that show. The academic scandal at UNC never should have happened. But I believe Mary had the same mindset as McCants (Is Rashad still waiting on his 310 million payday?). She wanted to profit off of this whole situation.

https://www.greensboro.com/news/edu...cle_00c660b6-1d10-11e4-b36c-001a4bcf6878.html

https://alumni.unc.edu/news/unc-rebuts-willinghams-data-revokes-research-clearance/

 

[kkott]

McCants was lazy. Apparently, he didn't want to put in the work required to make himself a better player or student. There's a reason different coaches asked McCants to seek mental help over the years. Read the link below, it's always somebody else's fault... UNC, the Kardashian family and NBA coaches who just keep misunderstanding poor Rashad.

http://thecommittedgeneration.com/rashad-mccants-blame-game/


As far as Mary Willingham goes, she plagiarized her own master's thesis on top of having her research debunked. She also had to admit she lied during her appearance on ESPN's OTL about the paper she submitted to that show. The academic scandal at UNC never should have happened. But I believe Mary had the same mindset as McCants (Is Rashad still waiting on his 310 million payday?). She wanted to profit off of this whole situation.

https://www.greensboro.com/news/edu...cle_00c660b6-1d10-11e4-b36c-001a4bcf6878.html

https://alumni.unc.edu/news/unc-rebuts-willinghams-data-revokes-research-clearance/

...speaking of it's always someone else's fault!

So Rashad is a lazy POS only looking out for himself, but you have no trouble crediting your program with the NC he helped you win, and only with his eligibility intact with the AAS program. So the school and fanbase used him, profited from him and now are kicking him to the curb? And poor ol' Roy never knew? That title is as tainted as your academic reputation, and you know it. Congrats.

 

[Elgacjd]

...speaking of it's always someone else's fault!

So Rashad is a lazy POS only looking out for himself, but you have no trouble crediting your program with the NC he helped you win, and only with his eligibility intact with the AAS program. So the school and fanbase used him, profited from him and now are kicking him to the curb? And poor ol' Roy never knew? That title is as tainted as your academic reputation, and you know it. Congrats.

As I explained above, McCants' eligibility wasn't kept intact by the AFAM program. Read the links I provided. Rashad has never took responsibility for anything and he's always blamed others for his shortcomings. Look at the different coaches who have tried over the years to get the guy some psychiatric help...

"One final ray of hope quickly vanished. McCants worked out for the Mavericks, and afterward coach Rick Carlisle asked him to see a psychiatrist. "To find out what was wrong with me," McCants says sarcastically. It was the third time a coach had made such a request. During his freshman year at UNC, coach Matt Doherty sent him to see a "friend" who happened to be a shrink. McCants says 10 minutes into the first visit he was told, "There's absolutely nothing wrong with you." Yet, the next season, new Tar Heels coach Roy Williams asked McCants again to make an appointment.'

Not only does it stop with Roy Williams, Matt Doherty, Rick Carlisle and the Kardashian family trying to take poor McCants down. Now you add Kevin McHale to list.

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/06/01/rashad-mccants-kevin-mchale-coach-blackball



BTW, I don't UNC academic reputation is tainted. Only sports fans care about this scandal or believe UNC's image is tainted.

https://www.unc.edu/posts/2018/09/1...ublic-universities-for-18th-consecutive-year/

 

[kkott]

As I explained above, McCants' eligibility wasn't kept intact by the AFAM program. Read the links I provided. Rashad has never took responsibility for anything and he's always blamed others for his shortcomings. Look at the different coaches who have tried over the years to get the guy some psychiatric help...

"One final ray of hope quickly vanished. McCants worked out for the Mavericks, and afterward coach Rick Carlisle asked him to see a psychiatrist. "To find out what was wrong with me," McCants says sarcastically. It was the third time a coach had made such a request. During his freshman year at UNC, coach Matt Doherty sent him to see a "friend" who happened to be a shrink. McCants says 10 minutes into the first visit he was told, "There's absolutely nothing wrong with you." Yet, the next season, new Tar Heels coach Roy Williams asked McCants again to make an appointment.'

Not only does it stop with Roy Williams, Matt Doherty, Rick Carlisle and the Kardashian family trying to take poor McCants down. Now you add Kevin McHale to list.

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/06/01/rashad-mccants-kevin-mchale-coach-blackball



BTW, I don't UNC academic reputation is tainted. Only sports fans care about this scandal or believe UNC's image is tainted.

https://www.unc.edu/posts/2018/09/1...ublic-universities-for-18th-consecutive-year/

I'm not sure where you pointed out or addressed McCants eligibility, but I believe the AAS classes were what kept him eligible, entirely. Here's a copy from your own post above:

A copy of McCants' university transcript, labeled "unofficial" and obtained by "Outside the Lines," shows that in his non-African-American studies classes, McCants received six C's, one D and three F's. In his African-American studies classes -- many of which are referred to as "paper classes" because students did not have to attend them -- his grades were 10 A's, six B's, one C and one D.

...and you still don't think that was keeping him eligible? I'll also bet he wasn't the only player on that roster with significant AAS courses on their transcript. The only folks who don't think that title and the academic rep of your school aren't tainted are those with baby blue glasses on! I discussed this with Matt Doherty on a local sports talk show and even he admitted it was a black mark and lowered the reputation of his school, degree, and that of his daughter who apparently is enrolled there now... of course he forgave the situation also!

 

[Elgacjd]

I'm not sure where you pointed out or addressed McCants eligibility, but I believe the AAS classes were what kept him eligible, entirely. Here's a copy from your own post above:

A copy of McCants' university transcript, labeled "unofficial" and obtained by "Outside the Lines," shows that in his non-African-American studies classes, McCants received six C's, one D and three F's. In his African-American studies classes -- many of which are referred to as "paper classes" because students did not have to attend them -- his grades were 10 A's, six B's, one C and one D.

...and you still don't think that was keeping him eligible? I'll also bet he wasn't the only player on that roster with significant AAS courses on their transcript. The only folks who don't think that title and the academic rep of your school aren't tainted are those with baby blue glasses on! I discussed this with Matt Doherty on a local sports talk show and even he admitted it was a black mark and lowered the reputation of his school, degree, and that of his daughter who apparently is enrolled there now... of course he forgave the situation also!

This scandal never should have happened but college sports fans are the only ones who believe UNC's reputation is tainted. I think you need to take off your sports tainted glasses. Read it and weep.

https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2018/03/26/unc-among-top-rated-public-colleges-in-new.html

https://www.niche.com/colleges/search/top-public-universities/

https://www.unc.edu/posts/2018/09/07/unc-chapel-hill-ranks-top-in-the-nation-for-value/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tiananjappan/2018/08/21/top-25-public-colleges-2018/#44658b0b582e

 

[kkott]

This scandal never should have happened but college sports fans are the only ones who believe UNC's reputation is tainted. I think you need to take off your sports tainted glasses. Read it and weep.

https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2018/03/26/unc-among-top-rated-public-colleges-in-new.html

https://www.niche.com/colleges/search/top-public-universities/

https://www.unc.edu/posts/2018/09/07/unc-chapel-hill-ranks-top-in-the-nation-for-value/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tiananjappan/2018/08/21/top-25-public-colleges-2018/#44658b0b582e

Great school, no doubt, but DEFINITELY tainted! I'll trust a former coach who acknowledged this over you. Again, an Academic Advisor created a whole curriculum to keep athletes eligible. The biggest athletic academic scandal I recall... and it didn't happen at UNLV or UK... but in Chapel Hill. Again, congrats!

 

[Elgacjd]

Great school, no doubt, but DEFINITELY tainted! I'll trust a former coach who acknowledged this over you. Again, an Academic Advisor created a whole curriculum to keep athletes eligible. The biggest athletic academic scandal I recall... and it didn't happen at UNLV or UK... but in Chapel Hill. Again, congrats!

You should go back and listen to what a former player/coach (Dakich) had to say during a UNC game on ESPN a few years ago. I think he said something about being happy the NCAA never looked into some of the classes he took at IU.

 

[RRgo]

Bring someo

You should go back and listen to what a former player/coach (Dakich) had to say during a UNC game on ESPN a few years ago. I think he said something about being happy the NCAA never looked into some of the classes he took at IU.

Did you type that with a straight face?

 

[Elgacjd]

Bring someo


Did you type that with a straight face?

Would like me to find the game where he made those comments?

 

[kkott]

You should go back and listen to what a former player/coach (Dakich) had to say during a UNC game on ESPN a few years ago. I think he said something about being happy the NCAA never looked into some of the classes he took at IU.

AGAIN, it's not the content of the courses... I understand why the NCAA doesn't want to monitor or police that. It's the willful intent to create courses, or in this case an entire departmental curriculum, to keep athletes eligible without doing credible academic work. That's the line that was crossed... and the fact that no one was policing this academic advisor who worked for the Athletic Dept and what courses she was recommending to players. What Roy should have (and what I'm quite sure he did, but didn't want to know) questioned, is why so many of his borderline players were taking and doing so well in AAS courses.

Anyway, I get why you want to dance around it. But I live down here in Heel country and have been lectured to for over 2 decades about the superiority of the program and school, so it's fun watching you guys twist in the wind and bend over backwards to not own up to the very kind of shenanigans you used to say were not the UNC way and beneath you. Shame on U.... NC!

 

[Elgacjd]

Why is it college athletes cluster into certain majors and classes? According to IU's media guide, ten out of seventeen BB players listed are majoring in either Sport Marketing or Sports Communication. How many non-athletes at IU are currently enrolled in these majors? How many non-athletes at Duke major in Sociology? Or how many non-athletes at Michigan major in General Studies? There's definitely a reason athletes decide to cluster to certain majors.

Following an academic probe that led to several football players being dismissed for cheating at the University of Notre Dame, Head Coach Brian Kelly commented that few of his players would be able to gain admission to the university if it were not for their athletic talents:

I think we recognized that all of my football players are [academically] at risk. All of them, really. Honestly, I don’t know that any of our players would get into the school by themselves right now, with the academic standards the way they are. Maybe one or two of our players that are on scholarship.

As a result of such conditions, a substantial body of research has found that college athletes are often “clustered” into certain academic majors. Former NBA and Duke University basketball star Shane Battier recently suggested it’s “hardly a secret” that college athletes are often guided toward “easy” classes in the least demanding majors. For instance, 58 out of 74 scholarship football players at the University of Michigan who identified an academic major were in “general studies” during the 2004 season, and 87 of the 176 total students enrolled in general studies were Michigan athletes.

https://thesocietypages.org/engagin...hletes-go-pro-in-something-other-than-sports/

 

[kkott]

Why is it college athletes cluster into certain majors and classes? According to IU's media guide, ten out of seventeen BB players listed are majoring in either Sport Marketing or Sports Communication. How many non-athletes at IU are currently enrolled in these majors? How many non-athletes at Duke major in Sociology? Or how many non-athletes at Michigan major in General Studies? There's definitely a reason athletes decide to cluster to certain majors.

Following an academic probe that led to several football players being dismissed for cheating at the University of Notre Dame, Head Coach Brian Kelly commented that few of his players would be able to gain admission to the university if it were not for their athletic talents:

I think we recognized that all of my football players are [academically] at risk. All of them, really. Honestly, I don’t know that any of our players would get into the school by themselves right now, with the academic standards the way they are. Maybe one or two of our players that are on scholarship.

As a result of such conditions, a substantial body of research has found that college athletes are often “clustered” into certain academic majors. Former NBA and Duke University basketball star Shane Battier recently suggested it’s “hardly a secret” that college athletes are often guided toward “easy” classes in the least demanding majors. For instance, 58 out of 74 scholarship football players at the University of Michigan who identified an academic major were in “general studies” during the 2004 season, and 87 of the 176 total students enrolled in general studies were Michigan athletes.

https://thesocietypages.org/engagin...hletes-go-pro-in-something-other-than-sports/

So you're suggesting that an Academic Advisor at IU set up the Sports Marketing degree as a no-show, no-exam, paper only course to keep the athletes he/she is responsible for academically eligible? Do you have names or proof of such misconduct? You're really asking why athletes flock to a Sports Marketing degree... REALLY? Do you beep when you back up like that? Sing some Bob Dylan with me: "the answer my friend is
twisting (editorial license: switched from blowing) in the wind, the answer is twisting in the wind!"

 

[PranksterMary]

So you're suggesting that an Academic Advisor at IU set up the Sports Marketing degree as a no-show, no-exam, paper only course to keep the athletes he/she is responsible for academically eligible? Do you have names or proof of such misconduct? You're really asking why athletes flock to a Sports Marketing degree... REALLY? Do you beep when you back up like that? Sing some Bob Dylan with me: "the answer my friend is
twisting (editorial license: switched from blowing) in the wind, the answer is twisting in the wind!"

Since you’re now resorting to musical lyrics in an effort to make your ill-conceived point, you continue to demonstrate that “you can’t see the forest for the trees”. It’s been a bad habit of IU fans for decades.

 

[Elgacjd]

So you're suggesting that an Academic Advisor at IU set up the Sports Marketing degree as a no-show, no-exam, paper only course to keep the athletes he/she is responsible for academically eligible? Do you have names or proof of such misconduct? You're really asking why athletes flock to a Sports Marketing degree... REALLY? Do you beep when you back up like that? Sing some Bob Dylan with me: "the answer my friend is
twisting (editorial license: switched from blowing) in the wind, the answer is twisting in the wind!"

No one knew what was going at UNC until the investigations started, nine investigations to be exact. I'm not saying IU is doing anything wrong. But looking at APR data over the past 14 years, IU scored a perfect 1000 for three consecutive seasons. During that same time, UNC, with its "Fake Classes", only achieved a perfect score once.

Yes, I believe just about every school out there finds ways to keep their athletes eligible. That includes OAD factories like Kentucky.

https://coachcal.com/news/2018/5/23...erfect-apr-score-for-fifth-straight-year.aspx