Well, he's pretty damn good the rest of the season. I'd make a coaching trade in a heartbeat.
Anyone watching the Michigan, Purdue game?
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If only B1G championships and NCAA invites were dependent on attendance.
And, POTFB.
This is all Nebraska Iowa football fan talk.
IU fans would trade nuts for a program system coach that doesn’t rely on stars but a kid that is the right fit for the program and system. A kid that plays within the system, fundamentally sound, stays 4 years, doesn’t turn into a pu$$y the second he reaches campus.
It’s amazing to me we went 29 years with a coaching legend that operated just like this but we can’t recognize it from our rival that is doing this exact thing.
IU fans would trade nuts for a program system coach that doesn’t rely on stars but a kid that is the right fit for the program and system. A kid that plays within the system, fundamentally sound, stays 4 years, doesn’t turn into a pu$$y the second he reaches campus.
It’s amazing to me we went 29 years with a coaching legend that operated just like this but we can’t recognize it from our rival that is doing this exact thing.
Waiting him to tell me why McCollum would scare Purdue fans. I fear you might be waiting.
I’m still waiting to see why we’re hiring this McCollum dude and the why’s of why we would hire him? Why does this dudes name keep popping up?
If he is hired..It fell into his hands. Means the first 5 turned us down. Not counting Brad, Pearl and the usual suspects.
All of it. He wants higher “priced” players. He can’t get them. He’s managing that incredibly well. He’s making the most of his current situation.
I have no clue that we are, or would even consider him. Read about him, if you want, don’t care. He’s beyond impressive. Quite a lot more so than Painter was when he got hired at Purdue.
His style of play, how he’s recruited…he’s the type of coach that would probably value recruiting Indiana kids…more so than some of the more established P4 guys might.
Guys like the Baby Boilers, Ivey, TKR, Smith…I wound “guess” McCollum would have a pretty good eye for those types of talents in his back yard. He did win 4 out of 5 D2 national titles. And recruiting D2, in some ways, can be like recruiting how Purdue has the recruit.
Pearl would come in and exclusively fish nationally in the portal and HS kids. He actually doesn’t chase star ratings either, but he would chase portal and national kids over Indiana kids, I’m sure.
Crean got the IU job, immediately started cleaning up recruiting Indiana kids. Then beat the hell out of Painter for a number of years. My theory is McCollum would also do that.
Well Pearl is a daydream of the likes of Stevens.
That’s not happening and we don’t need that because it’s not happening.
IU needs a coach that is hungry, young, has a system in play that is proven on any basic level and is ready to set the world on fire and coach up the talent in his own backyard and be able to sell national talent. Win, that happens.
We need someone that’s ready to set a foundation of how things are done and nuclear bomb our current culture.
We need someone not 70 yrs old that feels obnoxiously comfortable enough to say, we’re not 5-14.
That’s not happening and we don’t need that because it’s not happening.
IU needs a coach that is hungry, young, has a system in play that is proven on any basic level and is ready to set the world on fire and coach up the talent in his own backyard and be able to sell national talent. Win, that happens.
We need someone that’s ready to set a foundation of how things are done and nuclear bomb our current culture.
We need someone not 70 yrs old that feels obnoxiously comfortable enough to say, we’re not 5-14.
“How Purdue has to recruit” …. And how is that? Landing the players Matt Painter wants for the most part? Or you going to tell me that Painter recruits 3 stars that no one else wants because it’s all he can get? In that case, Painter is a freaking wizard at development. ….
But ya, McCollom seems like he is good. Doesn’t always translate. See Katie Gerald’s for details.
Lastly, hard to compare Painter and Purdue post baby boilers to now. Much different athletic department and administration. Makes a difference.
Matt recruits who he can with mid NIL. He is a very good coach and gets the most of his players. This is pretty simple.
Partially by his own words. He wanted to recruit Haralson and Mullins harder…he couldn’t. As an example. He lands Ertel, and the narrative is he didn’t “want” the higher tier guys. Ertel will come in and will be solid for Painter. He would have preferred the higher rated guys. And if he had gotten them, little chance he would have taken Ertels commitment when he did.
I happen to know this is how it went. I know someone working on NIL initiatives directly with Painter. Purdue fan. Sounds like a BS random poster claiming something…I know.
There’s a threshold they can’t get to. It’s not an active choice to not get to it. They can’t get to it.
It’s just crazy that Edey and Smith have stayed at Purdue this long…. No NIL. I hope Purdue has money for collective bargaining. Otherwise they will just be screwed…
I guess? Definitely better overall this year than I thought they’d be. But regular season success hasn’t been as big of an issue for Painter. We’ll see how it all shakes out. Lots of athletic backcourts out there lurking. And no mountain in the middle as protection.
If Purdue only had NIL to pay for and keep guys like Mgbako. How much is Mark Cuban paying for 6 or fewer points in 4 of the last 5 conference games? But dude went off against SIUE.
IU basketball really has no excuse other than poor hiring, especially in the NIL and the transfer portal era. Cig turned the football program around in 1 year and smoked PU 66-0. When IU has a decent coach, PU is an afterthought. Just get the damn hire right.
Agree with what you said, except Ertel. Only basing it on seeing him 1 game, but he looked thoroughly lost and was overwhelmed by better athletes. I get why PU fans want to tell themselves he's the next Braden (small, white, IN PG), but I saw 0 similarities. Again, it's not fair to base it on 1 game, but I have a feeling Braden never looked that out of sorts in a HS or AAU game. We'll see, but I didn't see any of the flashes you see of good college players in HS that makes you think they could be something more.
You Guys and Gals warming up for your yearly Spring&Summer Championship early!
Well thank god he can’t get there because if he could - according to your narrative - Purdue would be unstoppable. He will continue to probably not get 5 star recruits due to less NIL, who buy into the system and who stick around for the long haul. Not sure that’s the worst thing in the world under this new system where players move around every year and don’t have a true connection to where they land. Not sour grapes - sure teams want the shiny 5 star objects - but I like the type of player Painter gets - they are team players with something to prove. Smith may be my all time favorite Boiler - too small, not quick enough, etc. Guy is just a bad ass baller who doesn’t care what his ranking was coming in.
Will Purdue be rated in the top 5 next year? Since your the BIG GURU here you should know, RIGHT. I got this feeling that Painter knows more about talent than some little pea brain on his computer! Purdue is got probably the second best backcourt in the BT behind Mich ST., Smith, Loyer, Harris and Cox are becoming a pretty good set of guards, adding West who Painter thinks could be one of his best he has had( did not play AAU) will make Purdue very deep at guard. Oh, you seem to have forgot about D Jacobsen, the 7' 4" starter that got hurt, with your mentality you must think he is a midget! You keep blabbering about Purdues demise, that you continually forget that every time somebody beats the Hoosiers its a bend over and grab your knees event! You need to wipe before you start typing!
You sure get triggered when you don’t get the approval you want so badly from this IU message board. It’s pathetic.
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I doubt they will…. I’ll be surprised if they don’t lose some guys to the portal at years end.
They will probably lose someone. I have my eyes on Colvin and Heide. Especially Heide. Just isn’t going to get the minutes he/they might want. And with Cox and Harris emerging, Benter coming off a redshirt and the likelihood of some more four minutes going to TKR or Burgess depending on matchups, minutes available could drop for both.
Not trying to be argumentative at all - but I definitely think Purdue will be ranked top 5 preseason next year but those ranking don’t mean anything anyway. I think Painter will use the transfer portal to bring in a big at the 4 or 5. We lose Furst and that’s it. I would have loved to see what the Freshman Center would have brought to this team - his rim protection alone would have been huge. Yeah a guy who doesn’t get a ton of PT may go - that certainly is a possibility but Cox has emerged as a future leader of this team and nobody wanted him either.
Yet PU is the best basketball program in the state currently. IU has totally F’d up the bball program
It seems the lesser rated players are the answer currently:
He has been doing really well without the portal, /NIL, etc.
where as IU recruits higher rated kids and has money….yet sucks.
Culture and coaching > talent
You’d think they’d quit calling recruits bad after being wrong so much… Edey was a reach. Edey was just tall, not an NBA player. Edey can’t shoot threes. 0-3. Braden Smith was not a big ten player. Braden Smith was an Edey merchant. 0-2. CJ Cox was an absolute reach. 0-1.
I could probably keep going back.
Good system guys and fits. Are what makes his team. Talent hasn’t been great, just look at how few NBA guys he has had. Meanwhile Iu churns them out and can’t win
That NBA number is starting to go up though. Two top ten picks in the last few years. Smith will probably have a decent shot at a backup PG role. Height is the biggest factor. Height was the issue for Carsen. But who cares about the NBA in college basketball? If a player has NBA potential, Painter will develop them.
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