Anyone watch Woodys press conference?
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The thing that stuck out to me was not only Woodson but the players interviewed denied vehemently being frustrated about IU's season. Ware was very nonchalant about it, like this was just another day in the office and he could not be bothered to care that he had just gotten a beat down from his schools hated rival. No emotion from anyone from IU about losing, no anger, regret, frustration.... nothing. Just "meh, maybe we'll win the next one but who really cares."
Gotta love people that wear blinders .
a lot of these guys didn't grow up around here, and many have they sights set on the next level. Sad but true, the IU/PU game doesn't move their needle. Meanwhile guys like us have been living it for decades.
This is what comes from rental players. Especially players from outside the B1G region who never saw one game between RMK and Keady.
Hate to rub this one in, but no current college player ever saw Keady vs Knight in their lifetime. You have to have been about 8 to appreciate basketball and that means even fith year seniors probably only ever saw Crean, Miller, and Woodson as IU head coaches. Everything and everyone before that is ancient history that doesn't matter to them one way or the other.
Its the university that's milking every dollar of history out of the the program...not the fans.
I know. Getting old sucks. Painfully aware of this fact.
Still though, also tells you that in some cases, wearing the Indiana jersey might not mean as much to some players as we old guys think it should. And if that's true, then losing to Purdue means little more than losing to Santa Clara. Not calling out anyone, just stating my opinion.
I grew up in Indiana. My take is that if a weak sports school like Purdue is your big rival, you're doing it wrong.
I still get it. Hated losing to Keady! (But respected their muscled up teams.) But to me losing to Purdue is just another ugly loss. I hate losing to Illinois, Nebraska, Penn State, others we should beat too.
There's too many losses these days. Why would I single out Purdue. I don't want the entire state to suck in basketball. We sure aren't holding up our end. But it's just another loss. Of many.
Once we're really good in basketball again, if ever, the Purdue game will probably matter a lot to me once more.
I still get it. Hated losing to Keady! (But respected their muscled up teams.) But to me losing to Purdue is just another ugly loss. I hate losing to Illinois, Nebraska, Penn State, others we should beat too.
There's too many losses these days. Why would I single out Purdue. I don't want the entire state to suck in basketball. We sure aren't holding up our end. But it's just another loss. Of many.
Once we're really good in basketball again, if ever, the Purdue game will probably matter a lot to me once more.
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Another horrible hire we are stuck with just like archie. Edey was basically just laughing at us the other night.
He sux ..And 80 pct of the fan base knows it.
I know a major major donor..He has apathy towards the program..
You loose ten like him..Buckner or not..
He's gone !!
No college player today in or out of the B1G region ever saw a game between RMK and Keady unless it was on video.
That is true and I haven't thought any current recruits/players would have seen Bob Knight coaching at IU for many years. He was fired in 2000 and that woud mean a player would have to have been born in 1995 to even be 5 years old when those games were played. I'd imagine XJ is one of the few players still playing born before 2000.
But, having said that, todays players still know IU has a great bball history. They all know we were coached by a HOF coach and have won NCs because they hear it from family members and coaches, and also from telecasts where we are on national TV far more than our recent results would call for. So, they may not have seen it, but they do know IU has a great bball history, just as I know Cincy and San Francisco did at one time, even though I didn't watch them during their heydays.
Yea, Woody may also be telling them the same thing he says in pressers (we’re in the thick of it…). Of course, we aren’t.
We’ve had plenty of out of state players understand and embrace the Purdue (and UK) rivalry. If going into Mackey doesn’t get your competitive juices going, we’ve got the wrong guys.
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true. maybe a better statement is that we may have some players who never followed, or cared much about the IU/PU game before they got here, and maybe don't appreciate the nature of the rivalry. And since they don't plan to be here all that long...don't really care to appreciate it that much. Two yrs from now, it will be remembered as 'just another game' in their memories.
You cannot go out and hire mercenaries and then expect them to act like traditional college players. They are there for the paycheck and what it can do for their future careers, the name on the uni means zero to them, same with the traditions and history.
But it seems to work for Kansas, UConn, Duke and UNC. Like Kurt Russell said in "Tombstone"..."I already have a guilty conscience....Might as well have the money too".
They have core kids that buy into the traditions and are the teams leaders, supplimented with a couple of one and dones to round out there needs. Huggins and Calipari cheat like mad dogs, go all in on one and dones, and some years they have great teams, and some years they stink. But since the coaches control the purse strings, they force their players to buy in to get paid. UK fans wanted Calipari fired for last years team.
Yea. There is a way to do it. It’s obvious — establish a culture/identity and fit players in to that, and those players can be NIL or not. Not all NIL players are mercenaries. If Cody Zeller came around again, we would have to give him something close to market for NIL or else we are just trying to rip him off.
Right now we have no culture/identity and our players don’t fit, they’re more mercenary in nature. This is a problem beyond roster construction, which also is wrong.
Exactly. So why not go back to recruiting Indiana kids who play for the name on the front of the jersey.
Have you realized yet that your post has been seen as a joke?
The “we need to add pieces” rubbed me the wrong way. Davis was crucified for his “ help is on the way” comment. I’ve seen enough to realize Woody is not the answer to our problems
Embarrassed of what…your comment…Woody…or both?
My comment. I wasn’t until you pointed out people are making fun of me. Thank you.
When CMW has the players he's had some success. Can't argue the fact he's done more since his arrival than the last few coaches. And he's had some success in recruiting. The problem is he hasn't sustained and improved on anything yet. This season is a step back and he will need to add multiple top level pieces if he wants to take them up a notch.
We've also seen CMW gets locked in and reluctant to change. He's got to figure out how to play when he doesn't have TJD and a bunch of seniors.
We've also seen CMW gets locked in and reluctant to change. He's got to figure out how to play when he doesn't have TJD and a bunch of seniors.
I think he knows way more about Basketball than Crean. But he does seem to be bound and determined to play his way no matter how poorly that suits the players he has.
What evidence do we have that he knows ‘way more’ than Crean? Not a Crean apologist but he took a program out of the depths to #1 in the country and two sweet sixteens.
What confidence do you have that Woody will do any of the above?
He has? What “last few coaches”? He sure as hell hasn’t come close to matching the clapper. The little tyke that followed him? Yeah, maybe. But that’s still just one.
That is interesting as I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion all the NIL money that will likely be needed to rebuild this roster this spring will be as readily available as some think. If big donors, as you pointed out, have lost faith in Woodson, are they likely to open their checkbooks to buy all the players the staff wants? Walker and Johnson are definitely gone. There’s a chance Ware and Mgbako could leave for the NBA. Some guys could transfer. It could be a considerable roster rebuild will be needed.
you sure about that?
I could make a rational argument that he hasn’t even done more than Miller did. And that’s just one coach, and the one that gets pounded on the most here.
I don't have confidence that Woodson will do any of the things that you say, but I never claimed he would.
Not defending him, but he would have the yr it was cancelled. Miller also never had a team that was anywhere close to being rated as low as this one.
Bingo. Archie’s worst ranking was around #70 vs the #100 ranked powerhouse Woody has built. And Arch couldn’t spend big, conference leading NIL.
Crean was way better than Woody. He could win the conference and had a few S16s. No NIL for him either.
Crean and Archie aren’t high bars. Says a lot.
Then why say he knows so much more about basketball than Crean? Again, what’s your basis?
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