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but I don't think many Republicans would say that McCain was a better politician than Obama.

Oh, I know that I certainly wouldn't.

Obama's a freakishly skilled politician -- maybe even moreso than Bill Clinton was. They both kind of came out of nowhere. But Obama's rise was far more meteoric than WJC's was. WJC had been involved in state-level politics in Arkansas for a long time and was a known quantity in the political class in 1992. But few people knew him outside his own state -- at least when compared to his rivals in the 1992 primary. Clinton quickly stood out from his competitors though -- he had more ability to "connect" with voters than the other guys combined.

Obama, on the other hand, went very quickly from backbencher state senator in Illinois to POTUS -- with only a brief stop as a US Senator along the way. And it was his keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention that propelled that rise. Whoever was responsible for choosing him for that slot knew very well what kind of phenom they had on their hands in Obama. Not only did he have the presence and communication skills -- along with plainly obvious intelligence -- that probably even outpaced Clinton, he was also multi-racial -- which was a terrific fit for a Democratic Party (and, for that matter, a country) that had become less and less white.

In terms of sheer political talents, Barack Obama is to John McCain as lightning is to a lightning bug.
 
I think that's right. There was little enthusiasm for Clinton among Democrats. Only one poster here claimed to be enthusiastic about her and proclaimed her an outstanding candidate. The rest were talked about her flaws and how she was at least better than Trump. That just didn't produce enough votes to win.
Where is that poster? Guess the paid-troll dollars ended Tuesday.
 
Trump is a lot of things, but I really haven't heard him be called a liar. What did he lie about? Just curious. Just as a point of reference, I have no allegiance to him.
Huh whut? Ted Cruz called him a pathological liar. It's the truest thing TrusTed EverSed.

 
Trump is a lot of things, but I really haven't heard him be called a liar. What did he lie about? Just curious. Just as a point of reference, I have no allegiance to him.
You can't be serious. Did you sit out this election? Good Lord, the fact checkers just gave up, he told so many lies. Even in the debates. One journalist kept track of his lies daily and he often had 30 to 40. Lots of times they were about stupid, mundane things, like the way Obama handled a protestor. Heed synhed never met someone and he'd had dinner with them and talked about it. He literally lied about everything. Please tell me you weren't serious?
 
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