Small town people know who the crazies are and look after them.
And in other news, Daniel Penny found not guilty.
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Probably should have gone to dinner in Carmel.
Ha. They won’t get anything from the marine. Maybe they’ll find an angle to sue the city and shame them into a windfall settlement
I think we need to just create a space for them to all live and roam around and be free, yet have access to housing, foot, etc.
I nominate Carmel, Indiana.
We were downtown last night too, Rathskeller and Mass Ave. Let's be honest, there are a lot of strange things. 2 guys on bikes riding the wrong way on Michigan forcing cars to swerve around them may have been the most bizarre. But there were others.
My wife and I both grew up in small town (4,500). Now live within easy walking distance of Rathskeller and Mass Ave in downtown Indy.
Would never go back.
Would never go back.
So your current small town is better than the one you grew up in?
Exactly, Mr. Chicago.So your current small town is better than the one you grew up in?
So your current small town is better than the one you grew up in?
Brad, think you may have hit on something.
Whether it be Chicago or the comparitively small town Indy these cities are actually a quilt of small towns in many ways.
Yep. He should have been in an institution. Instead, he got on a subway, acting crazy and aggressive, and said he didn’t care if he died. That was guaranteed to make people fear for their life.
Where’s Curtis Sliwa when you need him?
Can't have it both ways CO. I've been railing against the deinstitutionalization movement that began under Kennedy and LBJ for years.
I know very little about this case but it seems like it would take quite a while to actually kill someone just by holding them in a choke hold.
I would think I would relax my grip once the guy went limp.
I would think I would relax my grip once the guy went limp.
It was later than that, and was primarily the result of court intervention.
deinstitutionalization is not a “movement,” it’s a constitutional requirement. In the 70’s. SCOTUS decided the landmark case of O’Connor v. Donaldson where the court said involuntary confinement was unconstitutional unless the subject posed a serious risk of harm to himself or others. In practice this means patients who might be in crisis must be released when they settle down.
The problem with the opinion is that mentally ill people can be a threat one day and not the next, or even change hour by hour depending on meds or their perception of circumstances, people, or events. Time for the court to revisit the issue and come up with a test that comports with reality.
Wrong. It was already most of the way over by ‘75. Look at the data. You cannot have 1/3 inpatient volume in 10 years and blame it on something that happened after that.
Regardless of the data, Donaldson significantly impacted the process and length of confinement in every state.
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Did he die of asphyxiation or something heart related. I could see him going limp due to the latter and, well, um....too late. I tend to have this nugget in the back of my mind as well. Like, a minute in a choke hold and 99% of folks are out.
If it’s a properly-applied blood choke of the carotid artery, it only takes about 10 seconds - but the guy won’t stay out long.
At some point this became an air choke and that’s why he died. Air chokes take longer to knock someone out and there’s a vapor-thin barrier between unconscious and dead with such a choke.
If the guy is still wiggling after 10-20 seconds, you are missing the artery and need to readjust.
It was most certainly a movement. How do you think that court case came about? That's like saying there was no gay rights movement that led to the legalization of gay marriage or gay sex.
Deinstitutionalization of People with Mental Illness: Causes and Consequences
Movements to deinstitutionalize people with mental illness and to make institutionalization more legally difficult have resulted in a lack of space and resources for the care of those with severe mental illness, and many have ended up in jails and prisons.
I'm glad that people are realizing that institutionalization should be reconsidered. But we have to also realize that the reason it was the movement began was because the conditions sometimes were horrible, and the policies for institutionalization and some drastic procedures indiscriminate. In other words, it is going to cost a lot of money to do this right.
I'm OK with that. Are others?
Are you actually a hitman posting on a message board?
Be a cool idea for a movie, actually. @hoosboot let's get this rolling.
Only if Cynthia Erivo and Arianna Grande star in it and cry self-indulgently in all of their cringe pressers.
First of all, my post, JBD’s response and my reply were all about present day conditions. No matter how we got here, the issues about confinement of mental health patients now are heavily controlled by court opinions, statutes, and available funds. Not a movement.It was most certainly a movement. How do you think that court case came about? That's like saying there was no gay rights movement that led to the legalization of gay marriage or gay sex.
Deinstitutionalization of People with Mental Illness: Causes and Consequences
Movements to deinstitutionalize people with mental illness and to make institutionalization more legally difficult have resulted in a lack of space and resources for the care of those with severe mental illness, and many have ended up in jails and prisons.journalofethics.ama-assn.org
I'm glad that people are realizing that institutionalization should be reconsidered. But we have to also realize that the reason it was the movement began was because the conditions sometimes were horrible, and the policies for institutionalization and some drastic procedures indiscriminate. In other words, it is going to cost a lot of money to do this right.
I'm OK with that. Are others?
We are our own worst enemy about this.
We believe that mainstreaming mental health patients and exposure to “normal” people is therapeutic. I don’t think so and that belief comes from professional mumbo jumbo.
We overwhelmingly approve legalization of many mind altering substances and drugs. We are systematically destroying nuclear families leaving millions of fragile people with no support. Then we wonder why so many suffer under various forms of psychosis.
As a result, mentally ill people are triaged in jail, given shots, counseling, or short term confinement to get them out of a crisis, and then we release them until the next time they are thrown in jail. Or maybe killed in a subway car.
Go on X and try to look them up. At every one of their press gigs, they just cry about the movie in such a cringe way, it means I will never ever ever ever see it. The self-indulgent honorifics they’re imparting on each other is hilarious, but gross.
I saw it. My wife and my sisters bought tickets for their husbands and the kids to see it the day after Thanksgiving in Louisville. My BIL and nephew bitched because UofL (they're both big fans) was unexpectedly in the championship game of the tournament in the Bahamas, but they ended up going too. UofL lost so they didn't bitch as much after the movie. All in all, it wasn't terrible. It's "part 1" so I expect we'll all be going to part 2.
Those of us that wanted to go to Gladiator 2, all the guys, were shot down . . .
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If you look at the video a black man was helping Penny. Those who were there knew this was a bad man and things could have gone south.
