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American Airlines plane crash

I fly a fair amount, both personal and business. I completely trust the safety of air travel, but if there is one thing that concerns me, it is the potential of collisions around these major aviation hubs. If you have been paying attention, there have been a number of "near misses" lately. Logan, JFK and LAX all having near misses recently. It is only a matter of time before we have a major catastrophe.
 
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IUJIM said:
I fly a fair amount, both personal and business. I completely trust the safety of air travel, but if there is one thing that concerns me, it is the potential of collisions around these major aviation hubs. If you have been paying attention, there have been a number of "near misses" lately. Logan, JFK and LAX all having near misses recently. It is only a matter of time before we have a major catastrophe.
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looking like we just had one, very sad
 
IUJIM said:
I fly a fair amount, both personal and business. I completely trust the safety of air travel, but if there is one thing that concerns me, it is the potential of collisions around these major aviation hubs. If you have been paying attention, there have been a number of "near misses" lately. Logan, JFK and LAX all having near misses recently. It is only a matter of time before we have a major catastrophe.
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When I used to fly, I would only rarely venture into Class B Terminal Control Areas (TCAs) for this very reason. And every time I did it (mostly in the Chicago TCA), I was nervous.

ATC always did a very good job with vectoring and altitude. But I always had sweaty white knuckles.
 
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The helicopter belonged to this outfit:


Speculation by a pilot who formerly flew for them is that they were either in route to pick someone up from the Pentagon or they were on a Continuity of Government training mission...

From the video tape it doesn't appear the chopper ever saw the aircraft...

There's more speculation that they were on the wrong comms frequency and didn't hear the Tower warnings...

Supposedly happened near or slightly below 350 feet.

64 people on the aircraft. 3 crewmen on the chopper...

Have read estimates of between 5 to 8 survivors pulled from the water...

Now 18 bodies said to have been recovered (11:59pm Indiana time).

Updated: CNN reports the helicopter was on a training flight...
 
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IUJIM said:
I fly a fair amount, both personal and business. I completely trust the safety of air travel, but if there is one thing that concerns me, it is the potential of collisions around these major aviation hubs. If you have been paying attention, there have been a number of "near misses" lately. Logan, JFK and LAX all having near misses recently. It is only a matter of time before we have a major catastrophe.
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I've flown up around that area a couple times. There is a huge SFR area that you have to have special certification to even enter, without ATC manual approval. I stayed as far away as possible. Just the thought of all of that traffic scared the shiot out of me.
And of course the old saying. Airports attract airplanes. This is sad.
 
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Who the f*** is making this political? That was a statement from the President. Good lord you people.
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The President's statement was fine. Your addition that it was deliberate is questionable. It might have been deliberate, but there is a saying that it is wrong to attribute to malice when incompetence will suffice. The President's statement could imply deliberate, but it also doesn't rule out incompetence.
 
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Marvin the Martian said:
Brilliant, "it should have been prevented." As opposed to every other airline crash which shouldn't have been prevented.

Can anyone name the last airline crash not contributed to by mistakes?
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Define mistakes. Sometimes as little as the wrong screw. And tread lightly as I trust you’re not in my league on this topic. My daughter and I have easily watched 95 percent of the Air Disasters episodes.

This will always be the craziest. 1990 British Airways

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mcmurtry66 said:
Define mistakes. Sometimes as little as the wrong screw. And tread lightly as I trust you’re not in my league on this topic. My daughter and I have easily watched 95 percent of the Air Disasters episodes.

This will always be the craziest. 1990 British Airways

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If they were on the wrong com, that would be a mistake.
 
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mcmurtry66 said:
Define mistakes. Sometimes as little as the wrong screw. And tread lightly as I trust you’re not in my league on this topic. My daughter and I have easily watched 95 percent of the Air Disasters episodes.

This will always be the craziest. 1990 British Airways

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Those are all mistakes, right? Aviation works differently than the rest of us, 99.9% success would mean hundreds/thousands of deaths per day.

The one case we don't know about mistakes is the missing Malaysia flight because we don't know what happened. The Malaysian plane shot down by the Russians in 2014 over Ukraine was probably a mistake. They probably believed it was a Ukrainian AN-26.

And for your Air Disaster episodes, I can quote the Airplane! movies with the best of them. So there.
 
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Why in the hell would a President of the United States get involved in stoking conspiracy theories…especially with a total lack of evidence?

Totally irresponsible on his part. Unbecoming of the office. Etc. It’s all been said before and I’d guess that it will all continue to be said for the next 4 long years.
 
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1) Figured something like this might have resulted from that gauntlet run you do approaching Reagan from the north, not from the south.

2) Is Wichita, KS some sort of figure skating training hub?

Fact that their apparently was a bunch of young athletes on that flight sucks. Listening to descriptions of probably what happened is terrifying. Bad scene.
 
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If they were on the wrong com, that would be a mistake.
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I accidentally plugged my headset into the right-side headset jack one time. When I would key the mike, the tower couldn’t hear anything I said. They could hear some kind of sound indicating that somebody was trying to talk, and I could hear them. But they couldn’t hear me.

So they had to bring me in by color signals from the tower.

Imagine how embarrassed I was when I landed and almost immediately figured out why they couldn’t hear me. Thank God I was at EVV and not some larger airport.
 
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crazed_hoosier2 said:
Why in the hell would a President of the United States get involved in stoking conspiracy theories…especially with a total lack of evidence?

Totally irresponsible on his part. Unbecoming of the office. Etc. It’s all been said before and I’d guess that it will all continue to be said for the next 4 long years.
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So when do we get to start saying "I told you so"?
 
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1) Figured something like this might have resulted from that gauntlet run you do approaching Reagan from the north, not from the south.

2) Is Wichita, KS some sort of figure skating training hub?

Fact that their apparently was a bunch of young athletes on that flight sucks. Listening to descriptions of probably what happened is terrifying. Bad scene.
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“Gauntlet” is a good word. I’ve flown hundreds of thousands of miles, and the approach to DCA from the north is unlike anywhere else.
 
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