A look at BT FB recruiting to date

[mushroomgod_1]

I took a look at the '25 BT recruiting classes as they appear to date, as rated by Rivals.

Then looked at recruits for each school that are ranked at 5.7 or over....the thought being that 5.6 is about the average rating for a recruit for the bottom 10 teams of the Big 18....

Giving 5 pts for a 5.7 recruit, 7 pts for 5.8 etc up to 13 pts for a 6.1 recruit....these are the results:

--OSU---18/19 recruits are rated 5.7 or above....1 5.7; 6 5.8; 5 5.9; 2 6.0; 4 6.1......163 points

--PSU---13/17 are 5.7 or above.....4 5.7; 6 5.8; 3 5.9....89 points
--USC---10/11....2 5.7; 5 5.8; 1 5.9; 1 6.0; 1 6.1....78 points
--WIS---13/21....8 5.7; 4 5.8; 1 5.9....77 points
--RUT---14/28...11 5.7; 3 5.8...76 points
--MICH--10/10...1 5.7; 7 5.8; 1 5.9; 1 6.0....74 points
--ORE....9/9....2 5.7; 2 5.8; 4 5.9; 1 6.0....71 points

--UCLA...7/11....3 5.7; 2 5.8; 2 5.9....47 points
--NEB---6/11...3 5.7; 3 5.8....36 points
--WASH--6/11...5 5.7; 1 5.8....32 points

--IND....4/14....3 5.7; 1 5.8...22 points
--ILL.....4/10....3 5.7; 1 5.8...22 points
--MN....3/22...1 5.7; 2 5.8...19 points
--IOWA..2/10...1 5.7; 1 5.8...12 points
--MD....2/11....1 5/7; 1 5.8...12 points
--MSU,,,2/10...2 5.7....10 points

--PUR....1/8...1 5.7...5 points
--.NW....1/17...1 5.7...5 points


Some comments---

--Rutgers with 28 commits will fall some but maybe only down to #7
--Smith at MSU has been less than impressive so far in the recruiting wars.
--USC, Michigan, PSU & Oregon look like they'll be 2-5, in whatever order.
--UCLA's class so far is fairly impressive
--Looks like Wisconsin recruiting has stepped up a notch under LF...but will the team have the same mojo?
--MD's class mediocre to date, as is Purdue's. Bad hire for Purdue?
--KF at Iowa running out the clock?

 

[red hornet]

Nice job, MRG. Well, IUFB will just need to have a winning record this year & the recruiting will begin to reflect the change.

 

[BoilerN]

Thanks for taking the time to do this!

Purdue had a 5 star DB reclassify to 2024 and they are in on a few 4 star guys they have a legit chance at. Instate guys Hall and Dye are close to coming it sounds. Wouldn't call Walters a bad hire yet. He's recruiting really well.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

I took a look at the '25 BT recruiting classes as they appear to date, as rated by Rivals.

Then looked at recruits for each school that are ranked at 5.7 or over....the thought being that 5.6 is about the average rating for a recruit for the bottom 10 teams of the Big 18....

Giving 5 pts for a 5.7 recruit, 7 pts for 5.8 etc up to 13 pts for a 6.1 recruit....these are the results:

--OSU---18/19 recruits are rated 5.7 or above....1 5.7; 6 5.8; 5 5.9; 2 6.0; 4 6.1......163 points

--PSU---13/17 are 5.7 or above.....4 5.7; 6 5.8; 3 5.9....89 points
--USC---10/11....2 5.7; 5 5.8; 1 5.9; 1 6.0; 1 6.1....78 points
--WIS---13/21....8 5.7; 4 5.8; 1 5.9....77 points
--RUT---14/28...11 5.7; 3 5.8...76 points
--MICH--10/10...1 5.7; 7 5.8; 1 5.9; 1 6.0....74 points
--ORE....9/9....2 5.7; 2 5.8; 4 5.9; 1 6.0....71 points

--UCLA...7/11....3 5.7; 2 5.8; 2 5.9....47 points
--NEB---6/11...3 5.7; 3 5.8....36 points
--WASH--6/11...5 5.7; 1 5.8....32 points

--IND....4/14....3 5.7; 1 5.8...22 points
--ILL.....4/10....3 5.7; 1 5.8...22 points
--MN....3/22...1 5.7; 2 5.8...19 points
--IOWA..2/10...1 5.7; 1 5.8...12 points
--MD....2/11....1 5/7; 1 5.8...12 points
--MSU,,,2/10...2 5.7....10 points

--PUR....1/8...1 5.7...5 points
--.NW....1/17...1 5.7...5 points


Some comments---

--Rutgers with 28 commits will fall some but maybe only down to #7
--Smith at MSU has been less than impressive so far in the recruiting wars.
--USC, Michigan, PSU & Oregon look like they'll be 2-5, in whatever order.
--UCLA's class so far is fairly impressive
--Looks like Wisconsin recruiting has stepped up a notch under LF...but will the team have the same mojo?
--MD's class mediocre to date, as is Purdue's. Bad hire for Purdue?
--KF at Iowa running out the clock?

I saw an interesting story the other day about the # of "blue chip" football recruits, per year on average, in given states for the time frame 2015-19. Some examples:

Florida 50; Texas; 48; California 44; Georgia 35 (these were the 'big 4'). Others of interest: Ohio 14; Michigan 8; New Jersey 7; Maryland (+DC) 12; Pennsylvania 9; Indiana 4; Illinois 4; Iowa 2; Minnesota 1; Nebraska less than 1; Wisconsin 1;

Considering these #s and and the recruiting #s above, which I think fairly well represents how things presently stand for the BT. I'd predict the following concerning the BT for the next 10 years or so:

I expect OSU, Michigan, PSU, USC and Oregon to separate at the top.

Then a see a group of 5 following: Wisconsin, UCLA; Washington, Nebraska; and Rutgers. I know others will doubt Rutgers being so high, but for the present they have stability with Greg S. as coach, plus they have a relatively fertile recruiting base with no other P2 schools in the state. I also feel like their fanbase is somewhat underrated....but do realize that have to be somewhat successful to get any attention in that neighborhood with the pro teams around. I also think Wisconsin will continue to punch up under their present coach.

Then I have a list of 8: Indiana; ILL; MN; Iowa; MD; MSU; PUR; and NW. Some of these teams have a chance to challenge the middle group, depending on how things develop. I'm relatively down on Illinois, mainly based on the long period of mediocrity they've experienced under various coaches, and also the fall off in Illinois HS football, as reflected in the #s above. I also feel like MSU will be relatively unsuccessful, for them, especially in the next 4 or 5 years. Smith isn't recruiting well there to date, and I see no buzz around the program. They'll probably fire him in a few years and be better able to challenge later in the 10 years, as football is important to that school and fanbase. The 3rd team I see struggling compared to their recent history is Iowa. KF looks like he's about done there, and recruiting will always be a challenge.

I do feel like Cig may be able to put us near the top of this list of 8...............we'll see.

 

[vesuvius13]

I saw an interesting story the other day about the # of "blue chip" football recruits, per year on average, in given states for the time frame 2015-19. Some examples:

Florida 50; Texas; 48; California 44; Georgia 35 (these were the 'big 4'). Others of interest: Ohio 14; Michigan 8; New Jersey 7; Maryland (+DC) 12; Pennsylvania 9; Indiana 4; Illinois 4; Iowa 2; Minnesota 1; Nebraska less than 1; Wisconsin 1;

Considering these #s and and the recruiting #s above, which I think fairly well represents how things presently stand for the BT. I'd predict the following concerning the BT for the next 10 years or so:

I expect OSU, Michigan, PSU, USC and Oregon to separate at the top.

Then a see a group of 5 following: Wisconsin, UCLA; Washington, Nebraska; and Rutgers. I know others will doubt Rutgers being so high, but for the present they have stability with Greg S. as coach, plus they have a relatively fertile recruiting base with no other P2 schools in the state. I also feel like their fanbase is somewhat underrated....but do realize that have to be somewhat successful to get any attention in that neighborhood with the pro teams around. I also think Wisconsin will continue to punch up under their present coach.

Then I have a list of 8: Indiana; ILL; MN; Iowa; MD; MSU; PUR; and NW. Some of these teams have a chance to challenge the middle group, depending on how things develop. I'm relatively down on Illinois, mainly based on the long period of mediocrity they've experienced under various coaches, and also the fall off in Illinois HS football, as reflected in the #s above. I also feel like MSU will be relatively unsuccessful, for them, especially in the next 4 or 5 years. Smith isn't recruiting well there to date, and I see no buzz around the program. They'll probably fire him in a few years and be better able to challenge later in the 10 years, as football is important to that school and fanbase. The 3rd team I see struggling compared to their recent history is Iowa. KF looks like he's about done there, and recruiting will always be a challenge.

I do feel like Cig may be able to put us near the top of this list of 8...............we'll see.

I am sure this group of coaches will put us higher than you have, somewhere in the top in a few years at least with that second group. The fact that coaches brought in three five star players to see the program shows they aren't satisfied being where we are now.

 

[IndyResident16]

Thanks for taking the time to do this!

Purdue had a 5 star DB reclassify to 2024 and they are in on a few 4 star guys they have a legit chance at. Instate guys Hall and Dye are close to coming it sounds. Wouldn't call Walters a bad hire yet. He's recruiting really well.

Hall is out

 

[BoilerN]

Hall is out

Ya. Sounds that way. Bummer. Walters seems to be a heck of a recruiter and there is a long way to signing day. See what happens.

 

[kmathum]

Ya. Sounds that way. Bummer. Walters seems to be a heck of a recruiter and there is a long way to signing day. See what happens.

There's often a big difference between a heck of a recruiter and a heck of a coach.

 

[BoilerN]

There's often a big difference between a heck of a recruiter and a heck of a coach.

I agree. Jury is still out on him as a coach. I think he will be good. We shall see.

 

[Rags to Roses]

Regarding the future recruiting ranks, I think things going forward could be different from the past given direct compensation will close the gap somewhat between the haves and have nots of the past. Also, while it wouldn’t be captured in the HS recruiting ranks, the G5 conferences are going to become the minor leagues for the B1G and the SEC…and I suspect that will help the “traditional” second and third tier schools much more competitive as the many talent gaps they had in the past can be filled with better players.