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4:23 to Play.....IU leading 69 - 61

We’ve been basically injury free all season. Get outside the bubble and look at other programs. We’ve been very fortunate this year.
Especially up front. TJD and race stayed healthy all year. We were pretty lucky on that.
 
We’ve been basically injury free all season. Get outside the bubble and look at other programs. We’ve been very fortunate this year.
In another thread to this effect, I was comparing our missed player time, through both discipline and injury, with that of Purdue. We've had it much worse in both categories compared with them. Phinisee, Lander, Duncomb, TJD, Galloway, Geronimo, 5 players for discipline at one time, Johnson, Steward separately.
 
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Both are key players. Team was very different with them both healthy. You clearly don't know much about how a basketball team functions or the game itself. How drunk are you?
Should IU have done better even in spite of the injuries? YES, but there is no denying we were a completely different team with Phin and Galloway playing.

Also, if they were healthy all year, by mid January, Galloway would have been a starter and Phin would have been the team’s 6th man
 
Should IU have done better even in spite of the injuries? YES, but there is no denying we were a completely different team with Phin and Galloway playing.

Also, if they were healthy all year, by mid January, Galloway would have been a starter and Phin would have been the team’s 6th man
No way. Not saying they shouldn’t, but CMW never was going to change his starting lineup. The starting player who is losing more overall minutes is Parker. I expect that to continue in The tourney. Those minutes are going to a combination of RP and TG and Kopps minutes are going to Geronimo.
 
No way. Not saying they shouldn’t, but CMW never was going to change his starting lineup. The starting player who is losing more overall minutes is Parker. I expect that to continue in The tourney. Those minutes are going to a combination of RP and TG and Kopps minutes are going to Geronimo.
Kopp is a 3. JG is a 4. Comes in as races back up. He’s not losing minutes to JG. JG played the 3 in one game and it was a disaster.

 
We’ve been basically injury free all season. Get outside the bubble and look at other programs. We’ve been very fortunate this year.
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RP & and Galloway still aren't 100%

a healthy Geronimo could have been the difference today
 
Iowa had 61 points with 4:23 remaining and IU was leading 69-61. Iowa outscored us 19-8 the rest of the way. In the last 4:23, this is how it went:

Both Teams had 10 possessions. Here is what each team did with it.

IU
- 2 turnovers
- 2 for 6 field goals
- 0 -1 from three
- Free Throws: 4 - 4
- Offensive Boards: 2
- Pts Scored: 8

Iowa
- 1 turnover
- 7 for 9 field goals
- 4 - 4 from three
- Free Throws: 1 -1
- Offensive Rebounds: 2
- Pts Scored: 19

Outside of the bank shot by Bohannon and Iowa shooting lights out and IU continuing to miss open looks, it was this that secured the Iowa win during this stretch.

IU continued to miss wide open looks including the stretch of 3:00 to 2:33 where IU got two offensive rebounds and missed three wide open threes. One by X, then another by X then another my Kopp. Conversely, Iowa converted both of their offensive rebounds into 5 points with a layup and a three. And if going 4 -4 from three wasn't enough, they got another three points on an and one.

A great effort by our team in the tournament. Have to believe our third game in three days led to the 48 points by Iowa in 2H with 19 coming in the final 4:23. This was compounded by not having Geronimo. We needed his minutes and defense and rebounding. But in the end, the final 4:23 was really a depiction of our team's struggles all season. The inability to hit wide open shots. Period. Tip your hat to Iowa. They never once looked panicked or nervous. Having shooters helps build confidence for sure. Tough to win when your opponent hits 14 threes for over 40%.

Hopefully our three game performance was enough to get us into the dance!
To break it down further.....we are up 6 at the under 4 TO. Something like 3:40 left.

What happens?

-Perkins blows by Galloway for a relatively easy layup and 3 point play. Terrible defensive execution when we needed a stop.

-We miss wide open 3s, two of them I think. Our complete in ability to knock down clutch shots rears its ugly head yet again.

-Bohannon nails a 3. Again lousy defense to leave him open.

-TJD charge. The absolute worst time for that to happen.

In the span of about a minute and a half we blow the 6 point lead and they have possession. We had a lead the whole second half then blow it in a lousy minute and a half. This sequence lost the game for us.

You couldn't script a worse sequence for us. Unbelievable. Reminded me of the O$U meltdown.

We never should have been in the position for the Bohannon prayer heave to beat us but of course we were and of course it goes in. A game we absolutely should have won.

At this point I hope this absurd loss does not relegate us to Dayton and hope the team does not have a bad hangover from this nightmare.
 
No way. Not saying they shouldn’t, but CMW never was going to change his starting lineup. The starting player who is losing more overall minutes is Parker. I expect that to continue in The tourney. Those minutes are going to a combination of RP and TG and Kopps minutes are going to Geronimo.

Galloway had worked his way into the starting lineup the last 3 or 4 games before his groin injury, and I was just saying that would have happened a month earlier had he not been out with the wrist injury
 
To break it down further.....we are up 6 at the under 4 TO. Something like 3:40 left.

What happens?

-Perkins blows by Galloway for a relatively easy layup and 3 point play. Terrible defensive execution when we needed a stop.

-We miss wide open 3s, two of them I think. Our complete in ability to knock down clutch shots rears its ugly head yet again.

-Bohannon nails a 3. Again lousy defense to leave him open.

-TJD charge. The absolute worst time for that to happen.

In the span of about a minute and a half we blow the 6 point lead and they have possession. We had a lead the whole second half then blow it in a lousy minute and a half. This sequence lost the game for us.

You couldn't script a worse sequence for us. Unbelievable. Reminded me of the O$U meltdown.

We never should have been in the position for the Bohannon prayer heave to beat us but of course we were and of course it goes in. A game we absolutely should have won.

At this point I hope this absurd loss does not relegate us to Dayton and hope the team does not have a bad hangover from this nightmare.
You need to lie down.
 
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We’ve been basically injury free all season. Get outside the bubble and look at other programs. We’ve been very fortunate this year.
You happen to watch any games this week and who was playing significant minutes in those games?
 
To break it down further.....we are up 6 at the under 4 TO. Something like 3:40 left.

What happens?

-Perkins blows by Galloway for a relatively easy layup and 3 point play. Terrible defensive execution when we needed a stop.

-We miss wide open 3s, two of them I think. Our complete in ability to knock down clutch shots rears its ugly head yet again.

-Bohannon nails a 3. Again lousy defense to leave him open.

-TJD charge. The absolute worst time for that to happen.

In the span of about a minute and a half we blow the 6 point lead and they have possession. We had a lead the whole second half then blow it in a lousy minute and a half. This sequence lost the game for us.

You couldn't script a worse sequence for us. Unbelievable. Reminded me of the O$U meltdown.

We never should have been in the position for the Bohannon prayer heave to beat us but of course we were and of course it goes in. A game we absolutely should have won.

At this point I hope this absurd loss does not relegate us to Dayton and hope the team does not have a bad hangover from this nightmare.
Losing at home to Indiana State and the Fort Wayne Mastodons by more than 20 points is a nightmare.
 
Won two more games than alot of us thought they would in the btt. Still this was win we could of had. I cannot stand iowa.
Who can you stand? Indiana basketball = Nebraska football. Totally irrelevant. Fans at both schools are having a terrible time dealing with that FACT. Where is all this Hoosier support during the football season when your stadium looks like most Division 3 stadiums on a Saturday. Can you say Bandwagon?
 
Who can you stand? Indiana basketball = Nebraska football. Totally irrelevant. Fans at both schools are having a terrible time dealing with that FACT. Where is all this Hoosier support during the football season when your stadium looks like most Division 3 stadiums on a Saturday. Can you say Bandwagon?
Always glad to see a gracious winner
 
Who can you stand? Indiana basketball = Nebraska football. Totally irrelevant. Fans at both schools are having a terrible time dealing with that FACT. Where is all this Hoosier support during the football season when your stadium looks like most Division 3 stadiums on a Saturday. Can you say Bandwagon?
Iowa literally has won nothing ever. Props to the wrestling team.
 
Who can you stand? Indiana basketball = Nebraska football. Totally irrelevant. Fans at both schools are having a terrible time dealing with that FACT. Where is all this Hoosier support during the football season when your stadium looks like most Division 3 stadiums on a Saturday. Can you say Bandwagon?


great. another "has been versus never was" fight.

You're the never was, dude.
 
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Iowa had 61 points with 4:23 remaining and IU was leading 69-61. Iowa outscored us 19-8 the rest of the way. In the last 4:23, this is how it went:

Both Teams had 10 possessions. Here is what each team did with it.

IU
- 2 turnovers
- 2 for 6 field goals
- 0 -1 from three
- Free Throws: 4 - 4
- Offensive Boards: 2
- Pts Scored: 8

Iowa
- 1 turnover
- 7 for 9 field goals
- 4 - 4 from three
- Free Throws: 1 -1
- Offensive Rebounds: 2
- Pts Scored: 19

Outside of the bank shot by Bohannon and Iowa shooting lights out and IU continuing to miss open looks, it was this that secured the Iowa win during this stretch.

IU continued to miss wide open looks including the stretch of 3:00 to 2:33 where IU got two offensive rebounds and missed three wide open threes. One by X, then another by X then another by Kopp. Conversely, Iowa converted both of their offensive rebounds into 5 points with a layup and a three. And if going 4 -4 from three wasn't enough, they got another three points on an and one.

A great effort by our team in the tournament. Have to believe our third game in three days led to the 48 points by Iowa in 2H with 19 coming in the final 4:23. This was compounded by not having Geronimo. We needed his minutes and defense and rebounding. But in the end, the final 4:23 was really a depiction of our team's struggles all season. The inability to hit wide open shots. Period. Tip your hat to Iowa. They never once looked panicked or nervous. Having shooters helps build confidence for sure. Tough to win when your opponent hits 14 threes for over 40%.

Hopefully our three game performance was enough to get us into the dance!
Thanks for the recap as I was on a plane coming back from Europe and all I got was the final score. I WONT be sad to see Bohananon graduate....
 
Yep. I don't think it's too much to ask for guys to hit 40% when playing at a high D1 program. Even mid to upper 30's. In the last 10 games, Kopp and Stewarts stats are:

Field Goals: 39 - 120 / 32.5%
Threes: 25 - 79 / 31.6%
Free Throws: 19 - 27 / 70.4%
Assists: 22
Turnovers: 21
Assist to TO Ratio: 1 to 1

Individually, we are definitely getting more from Kopp on both ends of the floor. Here are individual stats on both over the past 10 games.

Kopp
FG's: 22 - 60 / 36.7%
3's: 14 - 39 / 35.9%
FT's: 11 - 14 / 78.6%
Assists: 10
Turnovers: 14
Asst to TO Ratio: .71

Stewart
FG's: 17 - 60 / 28.3%
3's: 11 - 40 / 27.5%
Ft's: 8 - 13 / 61.5%
Assists: 12
TO's: 7
Asst to TO Ratio: 1.7 - 1
Interesting how close their attempts are for FGs, 3 pt shots, and FTs. Really not a lot of difference in overall stats. I think we get some value out of Kopp on defense. But Leal could take Stewart’s mins and we would likely be better. Sadly, Woodson isn’t changing that now.
 
Interesting how close their attempts are for FGs, 3 pt shots, and FTs. Really not a lot of difference in overall stats. I think we get some value out of Kopp on defense. But Leal could take Stewart’s mins and we would likely be better. Sadly, Woodson isn’t changing that now.
Geronimo is back to 100% next week, so we’ll see lineups with Galloway, Geronimo, and Phinisee where Stewart doesn’t have as much PT.
 
Yeah, knowing what we know now. I wish Bates/Leal had Kopp/Stewart's minutes. Think we would be a better team. But I get why we went the way we did.
That is really dumb. No offense.

Bates has shown nothing, if he was a three star recruit no one would want him anywhere near the floor. Leal can’t even get his shot off against college athletes, he’s a roster filler.
 
No way. Not saying they shouldn’t, but CMW never was going to change his starting lineup. The starting player who is losing more overall minutes is Parker. I expect that to continue in The tourney. Those minutes are going to a combination of RP and TG and Kopps minutes are going to Geronimo.
You’ve forgotten that he started Galloway before he got hurt the first time.
 
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That is really dumb. No offense.

Bates has shown nothing, if he was a three star recruit no one would want him anywhere near the floor. Leal can’t even get his shot off against college athletes, he’s a roster filler.

No offense but you don't know much about basketball. Bates is an athletic player who can create his own shot. He's just a frosh who likely never had to play team defense in AAU or IMG.

Leal is no worse at shooting or getting his shot off than Stewart. And he actually can pass as evidenced by his 9 assists in his 2 starts. Add to that, Leal understands team D after playing 4 years under JR Holmes. If you pay attention, which you obviously don't, you would see how well Leal communicates on D. He's not the most athletic, but neither is Stewart.

And I am not saying to make the change now, but looking back, I think I would have liked to have seen them get more minutes than the other 2. The other 2 are great kids, but mid major at best, IMHO.
 
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RP & and Galloway still aren't 100%

a healthy Geronimo could have been the difference today
You know any teams that didn’t have any injuries this year? It’s basketball. There are ALWAYS injuries. Ours were extremely mild and weren’t even to starters. We got lucky this year on that front.
 
No offense but you don't know much about basketball. Bates is an athletic player who can create his own shot. He's just a frosh who likely never had to play team defense in AAU or IMG.

Leal is no worse at shooting or getting his shot off than Stewart. And he actually can pass as evidenced by his 9 assists in his 2 starts. Add to that, Leal understands team D after playing 4 years under JR Holmes. If you pay attention, which you obviously don't, you would see how well Leal communicates on D. He's not the most athletic, but neither is Stewart.

And I am not saying to make the change now, but looking back, I think I would have liked to have seen them get more minutes than the other 2. The other 2 are great kids, but mid major at best, IMHO.
It's been a mystery to me all year why Leal doesn't get a chance to at least spell Stewart for a while.
 
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You know any teams that didn’t have any injuries this year? It’s basketball. There are ALWAYS injuries. Ours were extremely mild and weren’t even to starters. We got lucky this year on that front.

Did Purdue or Iowa? Not trying be a smart aleck, but don't recall any.
 
Did Purdue or Iowa? Not trying be a smart aleck, but don't recall any.
Yes, several. I know Ivey missed some games. They also had a guy go down for the year with a knee injury. I know the McCaffery boys for Iowa have missed some games. I’m sure they’ve had others. You’re not going to see many teams ever who haven’t had starters miss games throughout the year with injuries.
 
Yeah, knowing what we know now. I wish Bates/Leal had Kopp/Stewart's minutes. Think we would be a better team. But I get why we went the way we did.
That's nuts. Who would Bates or Leal have gaurded? Kopp had to play more than any wanted but that's what injuries cause.
 
Yes, several. I know Ivey missed some games. They also had a guy go down for the year with a knee injury. I know the McCaffery boys for Iowa have missed some games. I’m sure they’ve had others. You’re not going to see many teams ever who haven’t had starters miss games throughout the year with injuries.
Ivey missed 1 game (NW) and Painter had already decided Waddell was going to be a RS before his injury.

Patrick McCaf missed 2 conference games (one of which was NW)

those injuries had nowhere near the impact of extended absences by Phin/Galloway
 
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You’ve forgotten that he started Galloway before he got hurt the first time.
I haven’t forgotten. Just saying the days of tweaking the starting lineup is over. That ship has sailed. Now, vie the minutes are allocated after opening tip I expect to see a lot of minutes go to Galloway and JG and away from Stewart and to a degree Kopp. Depends on matchup and how he’s playing.
 
Who can you stand? Indiana basketball = Nebraska football. Totally irrelevant. Fans at both schools are having a terrible time dealing with that FACT. Where is all this Hoosier support during the football season when your stadium looks like most Division 3 stadiums on a Saturday. Can you say Bandwagon?
An irrelevant program that, even though it's missed the NCAA Tournament the last 5 years, still had more wins in the tournament (6) than Iowa (4) in the last 10 years. And more Sweet 16s in the same period (3 to Iowa's...ZERO). And more regular season Big 10 titles (2 while Iowa has, checks notes, NONE). You want to talk facts, friendly advice, make sure you get it right.
 
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Yes, several. I know Ivey missed some games. They also had a guy go down for the year with a knee injury. I know the McCaffery boys for Iowa have missed some games. I’m sure they’ve had others. You’re not going to see many teams ever who haven’t had starters miss games throughout the year with injuries.

Ivey missed 1. And think Waddell who hurt the knee is a walk on. But I may be wrong about that.

I think one of the keys of being a top team is staying reasonably healthy and IU hasn't. Not that I think IU is a top team, but injuries along with stupid choices probably cost us 2 games.

PU has stayed healthy (good for them) and allowed them to win the games they should.
 
That's nuts. Who would Bates or Leal have gaurded? Kopp had to play more than any wanted but that's what injuries cause.
Are you shitting me? Who can Stewart guard? He couldn't stop a lamp post ... yet sees plenty of minutes. Furthermore, Leal has a much higher basketball IQ than PS.
 
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We’ve been basically injury free all season. Get outside the bubble and look at other programs. We’ve been very fortunate this year.

I know you do this intentionally but this is low even for you and there was never a bet set for you to begin with.
 
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