just having the initials UM should disqualify anyone from being head coach at OSU. bwg
3 game suspension for Meyer and AD
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No it’s not. Remember the thousands of kids who were abused by clerics who were protected by bishops and such.
I absolutely appreciate that, just as much as it’s not at all clear what Meyer knew about that, and when. We do know the police didn’t press charges, that her own parents and in laws doubted her story, and that Meyer told him he’s be fired if he learned that Smith hit his wife. It doesn’t make Smith a good guy (he’s not), but the expectation that Meyer should be all knowing is more a function of people simply not liking him than it is a reliance on any factual information or what his true impact was on the situation at hand.
Meyer knew about the 2009 arrest in 2009, and he knew about the 2015 incidents in 2015. He rehired, and then kept on staff, a wife beater - - hardly the kind of person you want leading young men.
With respect to the family dynamics and who believed what, you may want to read Daydreamer's posts in this thread, as he's more informed on the subject of domestic violence than you.
Phony Meyer is doubling down and still lying his a-- off.
Check this out...(article linked below) He characterizes his outright lies as "misstatements" and says something to the effect of wishing he'd recognized the "red flags" as though he'd never been made aware of anything by anyone...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...meyer-regrets-handling-zach-smith/1070569002/
Check this out...(article linked below) He characterizes his outright lies as "misstatements" and says something to the effect of wishing he'd recognized the "red flags" as though he'd never been made aware of anything by anyone...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...meyer-regrets-handling-zach-smith/1070569002/
Can you link the charges filed against him in 2009? Also, you didn’t address any of the other points I made. Please do so if you’re going to criticize them. And DD knows nothing about the family dynamics of the Smith Family, unless he’s somehow related to them, nor did he address any of the specifics related to the mother and mother in laws views.
I'm confident in my facts. If I'm wrong, direct me to an authoritative source that refutes what I've said.
P.S. Nothing personal, but you're not an authoritative source.
I’ve never claimed to be an “authoritative source”, though it’s clear you’re not even a legitimate source since you can’t offer support for your positions. Can you link the 2009 charging document, at least? And, if you can’t, just say so, since I’d much rather talk football anyway.
"since I’d much rather talk football anyway"
Right...... says Pissingmatchismyname
Right...... says Pissingmatchismyname
I guess Bill Landis is tired of working in Cleveland. He just went against "the" O$U machine...:
https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2018/08/ohio_state_suspends_urban_meye.html
Basically, he's written what everyone that doesn't
wear a replica buckeye helmet to bed already knows: Urban Meyer's a liar who can't be trusted...
That won't go over well with the locals...
https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2018/08/ohio_state_suspends_urban_meye.html
Basically, he's written what everyone that doesn't
wear a replica buckeye helmet to bed already knows: Urban Meyer's a liar who can't be trusted...
That won't go over well with the locals...
https://www.crimsonquarry.com/2018/8/23/17772452/urban-meyers-three-game-suspension-wasnt-enough
I think this is a good take on the situation...
I think this is a good take on the situation...
And you continue to perpetuate the same cliched victim blaming that enables abusers to continue doing what they do. The "family dynamics" or whether charges were pressed are completely irrelevant. Abusers count on people like you making excuses just like this for them.
With respect to Meyer, no one needs to know family dynamics to understand that a crime was committed. Police don't have to press charges for someone to know that evil deeds have been done. It's completely reasonable to assume that, if all the coaches wives, including Shelley Meyer, knew about the continuing abuse, that that information would have made it's way to Urban's ears, even if by accident. Given all the evidence, it's far more reasonable to conclude that he knew and did nothing than it is to conclude that he isn't "all-knowing". Is it possible that his wife or any of the other wives or coaches let it slip in he presence? Sure, it's possible but highly unlikely. That's beside the fact that he admitted he knew, then lied about it and admitted lying about it.
The bottom line is that he violated his contract and possibly his legal responsibilities. He's also certainly obliterated his reputation except among OSU fans and other apologists for both their football teams and for domestic violence.
Victim blaming? Hardly. But facts do matter, and the ones surrounding what truly happened between the Smiths aren’t plentiful (even Shellly Meyer doubted Mrs. Smith’s versions of events, per the report that you haven’t read). My only point is that you’ve drawn conclusions without an understanding of the facts (“a crime was committed”), and that de-legitimizes several of the valid points you make.
Victim blaming is exactly what you're doing. It's exceedingly clear that you don't understand anything about domestic abuse. You've repeatedly, even in this post, tried to delegitimize Courtney Smith- a hallmark of abuse situations. You may believe that citing a certain "fact" means something but it doesn't. Abusers are exceeding clever at casting doubt and isolating their victims and you're lapping it right up and puking it right back out in your attempt to minimize Urban Meyer's responsibilities and behaviors. You think you're defending Meyer, but you're also defending Zach Smith by trying to damage Courtney Smith's credibility.
The facts are what they are. Zach Smith is an abuser, both Shelley and Urban Meyer knew it and both failed in their contractual and possibly legal responsibilities to report it. There is a mountain of evidence that supports that, including Meyer admitting that he lied when he said he didn't know about the abuse.
You’ve both totally misstated what I’ve said and then stated as fact things that you obviously aren’t aware of. I’m not defending Meyer nor am I victim blaming, but only expressing skepticism of those who would rush to judgment with an understanding of the facts while spouting cliches about subjects of which they possess little real knowledge. It’s human nature, I guess, but it’s not legitimate or serious.
Pretty obvious that his tie to Earle Bruce was his saving grace. A very unhappy situation for that family.
I'm not misstating what you've said. You evidently just don't understand how destructive what you're saying actually is. The facts I'm relying on are ones readily available in multiple media sources and beyond dispute. The only one spouting cliches here is you- very harmful cliches.
I’ve never victim blamed, as you wrongfully states, nor have I defended Meyer. What’s clear is that you possess neither facts to support your positions nor even have a basic understanding of the issues as they pertain to Ohio State. You erroneously pronounced guilt without understanding those issues and then proceeded to back into a pathway that could somehow support the conclusions you wanted to draw, all while failing to understand the issues of primary concern to OSU.
As you know better than I, he lives to be the board contrarian, and never passes up an opportunity to dominate a thread, even if it relates to a topic (like this one) that he clearly knows nothing about.
Nice work in clearly articulating some key factors that enable domestic violence, including victim-blaming/shaming and denial.
So you're saying that Zach Smith is not and abuser and that Urban Meyer didn't have an obligation to report it when he found out? Those are the facts that I'm "pronouncing" and they are unquestionably true. Anything else is merely your deflection.
If you bother to educate yourself on domestic abuse, go back and read your posts again and you'll see that what you are doing is exactly victim blaming. I don't really give a shit what "pertains to Ohio State". Ohio State is not the victim here, nor is Urban Meyer. Courtney Smith is. Maybe if you cared 2% as much about her as you do about Ohio State and Meyer, you'd understand what I'm saying.
No , I’m not saying either of those things. But the notion that Meyer is the cause of anything other than the possible sanctions of not complying with OSU’s Title IX obloogations is ludicrous, as are the ridiculous pronouncements about who is and isn’t a victim in this mess, falsely supported by cliched talking points when you know next to nothing about the specifics of the Smiths and what occurred between them. I’m sure you slept at a Holiday Inn Express once, but your attempt at expertise was easily dissected and dismissed as false. And suggesting that Meyer was an enabler or that you somehow care about Mrs. Smith is the biggest falsehood of all.
Dantonio was praised in the Jones Day report (outside law firm) for how he’s handled everything properly.
And when you can’t make a coherent argument, you lie, twist facts, and resort to personal attacks, just like you always have. You are in over your head here. I feel sorry for someone who has to create a new handle every two weeks just to continue having pissing matches on the internet for no apparent reason.
My argument is perfectly coherent, it just goes against your agenda. And I neither lied, twisted facts, or personally attacked you in any way, and it’s ridiculous for you to make such an accusation, especially when it is you that has engaged in such consuct.But, by all means, please show me that you have an understanding what the issues are with Meyer. So far, you’ve badly missed the mark.
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Yes...I tend to be optimistic about people which somethings leads to naivety. I put him on ignore for the 36th time. Hopefully others will as well until the mods can move him out again.
I do to which is why I engaged him on a serious subject when I should have known better. Bullies usually suffer from low self esteem which is why I said I feel sorry for him. My personal moderating ethic tells me not to ban someone I’m engaged in conversation with but we all know it’s just a matter of time. Unfortunately, Rivals doesn’t really give us tools to keep him away permanently.
GBI can ban by IP and that helps them keep the real problems out. Ord has done a lot of damage to this forum, peegs got rid of him as have other sites he crapped on, Hate to see him tear this one up just as Football gets going.
It's easy to get around an IP ban, as it's not hard to move to another IP address.
The good thing about this guy is that his writing style and arrogant attitude (truly an a-hole or a seriously disturbed person) never change. You can spot him from a mile away so it's easy to know when he's back, allowing people to spread the word and/or put him on ignore.
This guy can do a lot of damage until such time as his latest handle "crosses the line". I'm not a fan of heavy handed moderation, but would make an exception in his case. Pull the trigger on him early and often.
Amen,
We want to encourage discussion, civil debate and differing opinion. Destructive cancers like him have driven so many good posters away.
Oh, I agree. I just don’t want to do that when I’m in a conversation with him. Sets me up for being accused of baiting someone into being banned. I or another mod can take him out for something else. I’m done entertaining him. From now on, he’s gone as soon as I see him. Takes about 2 posts to figure him out.
This site probably can too but I don’t have that power. It would take Stu, Jordan, or one of the other employees to do it. Jordan has already made clear his reluctance to ban anyone so you’ll have to make the case to them. I’ve tried and failed. All I can do is keep banning him when he shows up.
I understand perfectly. It's a thankless job, and even moreso when you're also a participant. I sometime wonder if it would be better if the Mods weren't identifiable.
As I said, I'm not a fan of moderation (I cut my Internet teeth on Usenet), but this guy is in a class all by himself. Ironically, I have to give him some credit -- he's an artist at true trolling, one of the finest I've even seen at the craft.
