On the flip side….why does it bother you so much? Things change. People don’t need to go all “Karen” on it.
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It will be okay. Mascot or no mascot, it won’t mentally scar you.
First, I didn't ask that question of you.
Second, It doesn't really bother me at all let alone going "Karen".
I just think it is tremendous overreach trying to connect IU to a bison.
I have not been like you when you made disparaging comments about people that didn't want a mascot.
I have said that if they do it well, I am tolerant of it but I will not be buying any bison wear.
Why did it bother you that we didn't have a mascot?
Paraphrasing someone's post, rehashing a failed idea from the past rarely works.
The bottom line is that a percentage of the fan base will hate the new mascot (as some have already preconditioned themselves to that view without even seeing the final product)...; and some will like the new mascot; while a percentage will hopefully love the new mascot...
Obviously I've been a big proponent of the Bison concept for several years so I'll be leaning toward "like" and hoping for "love" when I actually get to see em... My caveat there is that if that costume is not well done and ends up looking like some homemade Halloween rag then I'll end up being as negative as some who already simply hate the idea of one from the start... I hope beyond hope that that's not the case...
I'll be a happy man and my avatar will be a proud Bison if the new get up looks close to a professional rendition of a Bison and not some pathetic bad joke like pedophile Pete (now there is an excellent example of how Not to do it)...
I figure if our Bison can come out with a 68% fan favorability rating after game one and a target audience favorability rating of 72% (target audience = children ages 2 thru 10) then Scott Dolson will end up having a huge Winner on his hands...
I will say I very much admire Scott Dolson and anyone else in the Athletic Department who took this project on... It would have been very easy to stay with the status quo and not hang yourselves out there for criticism from potentially all sides... Gutsy Move.....
Scott and friends deserve some major kudos for being aggressive and taking a professional risk that could end up reaping Major rewards for the Athletic Department in terms of increased fan interest State-wide and and a new revenue stream from all things licensed the INDIANA BISON...
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Obviously I've been a big proponent of the Bison concept for several years so I'll be leaning toward "like" and hoping for "love" when I actually get to see em... My caveat there is that if that costume is not well done and ends up looking like some homemade Halloween rag then I'll end up being as negative as some who already simply hate the idea of one from the start... I hope beyond hope that that's not the case...
I'll be a happy man and my avatar will be a proud Bison if the new get up looks close to a professional rendition of a Bison and not some pathetic bad joke like pedophile Pete (now there is an excellent example of how Not to do it)...
I figure if our Bison can come out with a 68% fan favorability rating after game one and a target audience favorability rating of 72% (target audience = children ages 2 thru 10) then Scott Dolson will end up having a huge Winner on his hands...
I will say I very much admire Scott Dolson and anyone else in the Athletic Department who took this project on... It would have been very easy to stay with the status quo and not hang yourselves out there for criticism from potentially all sides... Gutsy Move.....
Scott and friends deserve some major kudos for being aggressive and taking a professional risk that could end up reaping Major rewards for the Athletic Department in terms of increased fan interest State-wide and and a new revenue stream from all things licensed the INDIANA BISON...
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I’m pretty sure that wasn’t Woody peeking out behind the basket. If it was, Coach would have missed every one of those shots!
Well, I never said that it is important to me. I said I will get behind it. I support my school. Weather they have a mascot or not. Nothing wrong with it though. It would be fun to get the mascot so well recognized that it gets included in some of the mascot commercials etc. that we see on TV. But it is not a big deal.
Disparaging comments come from both sides. There are those that like it. Those that don’t. If they decided to pull the plug on it, it’s not going to make me lose sleep.
I probably did call someone a “stuck in the past, non-creative Neanderthal” over it in one of the threads. I apologize for that. It’s all fine. It won’t ruin my game day experience either way.
There is a demand for this out there. The university isn’t just doing this because they want to. Many of the students were pushing for it.
That's great...(however I highly doubt student "pressure" had much to do with Scott pulling the trigger on this...) Hopefully it will be done right...
I'm getting comfortable with the idea that it won't be a visual disaster simply because Coach Cignetti has allowed himself to be involved in the run up... I'd like to think that he wouldn't allow himself to be involved with anything 2nd rate... (at least that's what I'm hanging my hopes on for the next few months)...
Absolutely hope it is designed by someone that know what they are doing. No more disasters like that Hoosier hayseed!
I guess since my degree was in biology instead of marketing, I don't see how a mascot is going to increase"fan interest State-wide".
Please enlighten me!
As far as I'm concerned, if it's not the real thing, forget it.
Simple... The target audience (kids aged 2-10) see him on TV and up on billboards across the state and ask mom and dad if they can go see him (and we ought to do our very best to make him visible and accessible as is practical all over the state... and at events other than just games)... Pair that up with working with all the Bison Ranchers state wide to advertise INDIANA FOOTBALL in conjunction with their own advertising... and we are on our way...
I leave you wth this: Did you think we'd sell out all those games last Fall...? If we could do that than the potential to bring the rest of the state into the fold is out there (in my opinion) and our new mascot will only help in that endeavor...
The State of Indiana public (graduates or not) are starving to be represented by a Winner year in year out... Hopefully, if done right, this mascot will be a visual representation of that... (Winning)
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I would imagine that I am underestimating the importance and draw of a mascot and I believe you are overestimating those same things with reality being somewhere in the middle.
Winning is the BIG thing of course. Win and everything goes better.
They should rethink the Red Steppers. Bring it into the modern age….
Galen Clavio has been signing off his Crimsoncast podcast with bring back the bison for years now. He finally gets his wish.
A mascot will be the image of IU - power, speed, and strength.
Exactly. Bring back the bison video please. Love everything u said. If costume they have to nail it
But … it can’t be scary or overly mean looking apparently 🙄
The thought that a Cutter could make it into IU these days is wishful thinking…. Unless they are from another country or State they wouldn’t get considered.
2 starters on offense on the 67 Big Ten Champions were Cutters lol
Actually…..the Red Steppers recently won the Div 1A National Dance competition. #1 in the country for 2025!
What? What isn’t modern about the Redsteppers over the past handful of years?
My son went to Bloomington North and he and TONS of North and South students go to IU. At Kelley alone I know of 20 kids from Bloomington over the past two years.
Ya ya… I shouldn’t have said anything in here. But no…. Maybe recently but you can’t deny the past… many Indiana kids didn’t get to go that warranted it. They just didn’t. You must be employed some way by the University. I don’t know a lot of alums that don’t recognize the shift away…. This industry (and it is all about money) is getting a good look under the hood. Not much sympathy for those it will effect.
Universities have shifted to recruiting out of state and international students for increased tuition and stature, but the irony is that the more that states like Indiana cut funding for its universities, the fewer instate students they can afford to accept. The University of Michigan is a great example of this. I believe that their enrollment for instate students is VERY low for a state school.
Of course they shifted. But the truth is, they aren’t given a chance to decide if they can afford it. That decision is made for them by the University. They hit the bare minimum required to maintain our tax dollars. But that’s it. The entire structure deserves a look. Hey, they brought it on themselves. This admin is at least rooted from Indiana. When I was young, IU was synonymous with a native Hoosier. Not anymore. There are Indiana Hoosiers and Indiana University Hoosiers. They (previous admin’s) wanted to be Ivy League/ East Coast snobs for decades and had nearly zero connection to the State. I’ve been on several committees doing research on the Brand. It has been said over and over, they disconnected from the State. Getting it back? I’m sure they can but they gotta fix some things. I’m not sure they have the stomach.
IU is harder to get into than ever, but that’s the GOP’s fault for putting that kind of financial pressure on the school for a few decades. But plenty of local kids still go there.
And to your initial point, remember that Cutters weren’t IU Students anyway. They were locals.
That’s why you deserve the scrutiny. Biased and hateful…. Now you get what you deserve. No mercy in my book 🤷♂️… eduction elites are gonna realize they do have people to answer too. Spend your endowments that you have built and grown on the backs of tax payers. Burn it the f down. As the San Fran gay choir sang, “we are coming for your children”, now, “we are coming for you” to end your kingdom. You deserve what’s coming
What was biased and hateful about what I said? Use some independent fact, checking and compare the state of Indiana and Indiana University and their enrollment to other peer institutions, and the reasons that in-state enrollment has dropped so much for Indiana. And also for Purdue, by the way.
Btw endowments can only be used as donors (which is where the endowments come from, not state support) stipulate.
You have strong opinions but seem short on unbiased facts. I suggest some independent research.
I'm not sure in/out of state enrollment trends can be explained with one variable.
IU is harder to get into than it used to be, but it still has an 80% acceptance rate and 10 years ago it was high 70's. It doesn't appear IU is turning down too many kids.
IU is harder to get into than it used to be, but it still has an 80% acceptance rate and 10 years ago it was high 70's. It doesn't appear IU is turning down too many kids.
😂😂😂….😘😘😘… sure. Massive problems in education. As I said can’t wait.
You are right. But do me one favor? Kindly remove your lips from my teets and stand on your own.
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