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“I don’t like Trump but I like his policies”

I think you are correct. This is why Democrats poll in the 30% approval range.

Democrats need to find an issue and advance solutions. Pushing men in women’s sports, favoring China goods in the U.S., or defending violent illegal immigrants wont cut it.
It’s the party of celebrities woke people and lost academics

Not my dad’s party of laborers cops etc
 
He may have never said it, but the assumption from the beginning was (at least for me) that he'd be a one term President -- that he'd beat Trump, clean up the Trump mess, and then pass the baton. At some point that changed. It shouldn't have.

None of us have a window into his heart and soul. But my impression is that he really coveted that job. Most people who seek it do, of course. But this is somebody who had been in the Senate for nearly 40 years, and then had a front row seat to somebody else having the job he wanted for another 8. He ran in 1988, then again in 2008...and then finally won the backing of the party's power brokers in 2020 -- largely as a consensus candidate to prevent Sanders from being the standard-bearer.

After all of that, and given that he had already beaten Trump once, I'm sure it would be very hard to just willingly do a Cincinnatus and step aside.
 
You're the first person I ever heard say Mike Davis had an impressive resume at the time he took the IU job.
I guess being an assistant at Alabama and IU carried a lot more weight in 1999-2000 than it does now.
 
It didn’t carry that much weight then, either.
I was there when it all happened. The support for Davis was entirely emotional:

1. We were on a roller coaster that seemed to get better after he took over.
2. The players seemed to support him.
3. As far as we all could tell (and I can confirm), he was just a genuinely nice guy, which was a nice change of pace.

Clinically speaking, looking back on it, he clearly wasn't ready for the gig. But at the time, it felt right.
 
I was there when it all happened. The support for Davis was entirely emotional:

1. We were on a roller coaster that seemed to get better after he took over.
2. The players seemed to support him.
3. As far as we call could tell (and I can confirm), he was just a genuinely nice guy, which was a nice change of pace.

Clinically speaking, looking back on it, he clearly wasn't ready for the gig. But at the time, it felt right.
I sure wanted him to do well
 
I sure wanted him to do well
I remember working at the McD's for a while up by the stadium, and he'd come through the drive-through after work on the way home. Which, to his credit, was much more likely to be 9 or 10 pm than 5 or 6. Just super friendly and down to earth. Combine his attitude with his work ethic, and you couldn't not root for him.

Plus, there was that whole Kirk Haston thing and then the tourney run, and we all just felt like the program had weathered a bad storm and would be fine.
 
I remember working at the McD's for a while up by the stadium, and he'd come through the drive-through after work on the way home. Which, to his credit, was much more likely to be 9 or 10 pm than 5 or 6. Just super friendly and down to earth. Combine his attitude with his work ethic, and you couldn't not root for him.

Plus, there was that whole Kirk Haston thing and then the tourney run, and we all just felt like the program had weathered a bad storm and would be fine.
Shy. Stutter. Foisted into the role. Felt like an underdog story
 
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Shy. Stutter. Foisted into the role. Felt like an underdog story
Funny thing is I saw him on one of those roundtable discussions on the B1G network a few years ago, and he was exactly the opposite. Confident, funny, at ease, clearly intelligent in the ways of basketball in a detailed, nuanced way. The IU job just came at him far too early in his own professional development to handle it.
 
Funny thing is I saw him on one of those roundtable discussions on the B1G network a few years ago, and he was exactly the opposite. Confident, funny, at ease, clearly intelligent in the ways of basketball in a detailed, nuanced way. The IU job just came at him far too early in his own professional development to handle it.
Probably a blessing and a curse. I’m sure it also set him up. He started at the top
 
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I was there when it all happened. The support for Davis was entirely emotional:

1. We were on a roller coaster that seemed to get better after he took over.
2. The players seemed to support him.
3. As far as we all could tell (and I can confirm), he was just a genuinely nice guy, which was a nice change of pace.

Clinically speaking, looking back on it, he clearly wasn't ready for the gig. But at the time, it felt right.
Correct.

No one said or thought "on paper, this guy is clearly a great candidate for the IU basketball head coaching job." Including Davis himself, I'd guess. But the players wanted him and were rumored to threaten to leave if he was not hired.

I'm not saying Davis was a bad guy, just clearly not qualified for the job on paper or otherwise.
 
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Correct.

No one said or thought "on paper, this guy is clearly a great candidate for the IU basketball head coaching job." Including Davis himself, I'd guess. But the players wanted him and were rumored to threaten to leave if he was not hired.

I'm not saying Davis was a bad guy, just clearly not qualified for the job on paper or otherwise.
For what it’s worth - I wasn’t saying Davis was hired on his resume alone. It was an emotional hire based largely on the situation and timing. I guess that’s where the comparison is more apt.
 
I was there when it all happened. The support for Davis was entirely emotional:

1. We were on a roller coaster that seemed to get better after he took over.
2. The players seemed to support him.
3. As far as we all could tell (and I can confirm), he was just a genuinely nice guy, which was a nice change of pace.

Clinically speaking, looking back on it, he clearly wasn't ready for the gig. But at the time, it felt right.

And almost won a national championship. Crazy
 
I remember working at the McD's for a while up by the stadium, and he'd come through the drive-through after work on the way home. Which, to his credit, was much more likely to be 9 or 10 pm than 5 or 6. Just super friendly and down to earth. Combine his attitude with his work ethic, and you couldn't not root for him.
Oh, there was a certain Region lawyer and his crew of 45 (or so) oxpeckers who rooted against him from day one.
 
"Rafa J Conde is a multifaceted force to be reckoned with, boasting an impressive portfolio of achievements. At his core, he is a devoted father, husband, and man of God, with a strong background as an ex-DEA/Narcotics/SWAT officer, entrepreneur, best-selling author, and highly sought-after consultant and public speaker. As the founder and CEO of Man of War, Rafa is a leading industry expert in leadership, creating fanatical culture, the warrior archetype, building elite brotherhoods, and designing physically and psychologically demanding events."
Sounds like Joel Olstein
 
I don't think AOC will ever run for president and if she did, I don't think she'd come close to getting out of the primaries. It's frustrating that more sensible Democrats haven't stepped up - people we've all talked about here before are more than capable of winning in '28 - but unfortunately to date no one is stepping up and AOC and Bernie are filling a void. Them getting big crowds at rallies makes for nice Trump opposition optics, but that's not sustainable.

I'm just spitballing here, but maybe that void is strategic. '28 is still a long way away, relatively speaking and a lot still could change. Maybe party leadership wants to see how the midterms go before rolling out the 'grown-up' presidential hopefuls.
There's a lot more money in being a long-term Congressman than President.
 
What's the take on Cory Booker? Seems more pragmatic than most. He gets criticised by the progressive wing as not being progressive enough and by the right as being an Obama liberal. Enough in the middle ground to be a contender?
First Gay President? (well, second)
 
I could get behind him. There seems to be some distance between him and the more far-left part of the party. I kind of thought his marathon senate speech might be a first step toward testing the Democratic primary waters, but wasn't sure. He definitely seems like someone on both sides of the aisle can and do take seriously.

Bluntly, I think Republicans would get some traction attacking him as a black, single, east coast liberal. He'd have to have someone like Gretchen Whitmer or Andy Beshear as his VP. Or maybe one of those two could have the rolls reversed.
He could get behind you, that's for sure.
 
There's a lot more money in being a long-term Congressman than President.
Unless you are able to charge excessive rates at your resorts and golf courses for secret service and funnel foreign dignitaries to your hotels at higher rates as well.

The ability to grift is also unmatched by any in congress. I think you're underestimating Trump and his crime family's ability to profit off the position.
 
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Dennis Kucinich was always out front and one of the first people to announce a run for the presidency. He was fairly popular with stops on MSNBC shows and Bill Maher. Once things shook out, he very rarely had a legitimate chance at being the Democratic nominee. AOC is getting bigger crowds than Kucinich could have ever dreamed about, but I think their fate in terms of presidential politics is mostly the same.

She'll be a voice in the Democratic party - and that's not insignificant - but she's not a leader of the party. I'm honestly not even sure she actually wants to be. I think she'd be happy playing the role she is now for the next couple of decades.

And Harris was never the consensus pick and isn't really a leader in Democratic politics. She was the Mike Davis of Democratic Presidential hopefuls. When it was clear Biden wouldn't be able to run, Democrats shrugged, looked around and said, welp, she's here...might as go with her.
Kucinich was also on Fox a lot. Which probably sunk his campaign with the Dem crazies.
 
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You are just comparing him against the most impragmatic President in history. Maybe people would see it that way after four years of this drama.

But, liberals don't seem to get the message. You lost because of who you ran, not because Trump was better this time than in 2020. Booker is clearly a far-left liberal (in the same part of the graph as Liz Warren). If you think that is what is going to win, I don't know how to help you.

Just run a moderate, sensible candidate. Of course, I could say the same about the GOP. Both parties have let down this country and deserve to be broken up.
Moderate, sensible candidates have run this country into near bankruptcy.

Sorry - I'll take the guy who addresses real problems and is interested in helping the average American.

You may not agree with him, but what's your plan to get a balanced budget and cut the debt?
 
Unless you are able to charge excessive rates at your resorts and golf courses for secret service and funnel foreign dignitaries to your hotels at higher rates as well.

The ability to grift is also unmatched by any in congress. I think you're underestimating Trump and his crime family's ability to profit off the position.
For the last 9 years, you have been trying to nail Trump on bogus charges.

You think, in all that time, with all those investigations, there's a reason why not a single charge has been filed against him for illegally profiting by his Presidency?
 
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The US needs a pragmatic centrist with the guts to actually streamline our bureaucracy writ large while uniting and boosting our citizenry.

It’s not a pipe dream, it doesn’t require a third party, and this person could come from either side of the aisle.

Will the real slim shady please stand up?
 
For the last 9 years, you have been trying to nail Trump on bogus charges.

You think, in all that time, with all those investigations, there's a reason why not a single charge has been filed against him for illegally profiting by his Presidency?
bogus charges? just because you keep your head in the sand doesn't make them bogus. Trump got them thrown out when idiots voted him back into office.

He loves the rule about not being able to indict a sitting dictator.
 
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None of us have a window into his heart and soul. But my impression is that he really coveted that job. Most people who seek it do, of course. But this is somebody who had been in the Senate for nearly 40 years, and then had a front row seat to somebody else having the job he wanted for another 8. He ran in 1988, then again in 2008...and then finally won the backing of the party's power brokers in 2020 -- largely as a consensus candidate to prevent Sanders from being the standard-bearer.

After all of that, and given that he had already beaten Trump once, I'm sure it would be very hard to just willingly do a Cincinnatus and step aside.
I think Jill coveted the job more than Joe did.
 
Funny thing is I saw him on one of those roundtable discussions on the B1G network a few years ago, and he was exactly the opposite. Confident, funny, at ease, clearly intelligent in the ways of basketball in a detailed, nuanced way. The IU job just came at him far too early in his own professional development to handle it.
I'll get crucified for saying this, but Mike Davis would be a good coach at IU today.

I saw that same discussion and he was a much wiser, experienced person.

Mike's problem was relying on star players and featuring them. After Knight's players left, he never developed leadership within the program. The only time I saw him bench starters en masse was the second half of the IU Big Ten Tournament game against Ohio State. He put in all subs except for Bracey and they came from WAY back to beat Ohio State. After saying he'd learned a lesson in that game, he went right back to the starters the next game and lost badly. Mike's a good guy, but didn't learn from his mistakes at IU.
 
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