And Obama was the most liberal voting senator.
It's more the messenger, not so much the message.
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And Obama was the most liberal voting senator.
It's more the messenger, not so much the message.
Biden dropped out of the race just 100 or so days prior to the election. There was only one person who could legally access his campaign war chest and organizational infrastructure - - Harris. It was too late for any other potential candidate to make a serious run.
Spot on. Three years is an eternity in politics. It’s impossible now to have any kind of a clear read on who the Dem nominee will be in 2028.
I think the problem was how do you pass over a sitting VP when the current president decides not to run? There wasn't really time to ramrod a Whitmer, Shapiro or Beshear through primaries. Ultimately maybe they should have tried it, given how things turned out, but I sort of get their rationale.
I'd guess one of the Democratic governors whose names we all toss around here will be on the Democratic ticket in some order.
That's a good point. The campaign war chest was definitely a big concern/issue.
Shapiro and Whitmer would be the clear leaders today, with Beshear close behind. Of course, this far out that means nothing. Plenty of time for others to emerge.
Makes no difference. Biden already went woke. It was a continuation of his policies. The centrist don’t have a shot in the Dem party. That’s why the only names we hear are Newsom Harris AOC walz stay at home Pete
It looks just fine or his approval would be in the 20's not 48-52 % The water cooler is not the real world. Now I am sure on the water cooler you could get him a 20% approval if you wanted.
Clear leaders? Says who? Your wishes?. They dont represent the Dem party. They better go woke fast if they want any juice
No, we hear plenty of other names. Your continuous bleatings doesn't change that.
They aren’t mine. I’m just relaying them. You do t want to face reality
Beshear is slowly starting to emerge on the national stage. An interview here, a podcast appearance there. He's not quiet center stage, prime time yet, but I think that could change in another year or two. From what I know of him, I like him. I like the idea that he's a popular Democratic governor in a far-right state.
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you two can pretend otherwise as you wish but the clear evidence says you're both wrong. htere's a reason biden went woke. why all of the replacements were woke.
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AOC Wallops Schumer in Potential 2028 NY Senate Primary, Poll Finds
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Didn't you call her one of the most accomplished people to run for President over the summer? Now she "was the Mike Davis of Democratic Presidential hopefuls?" What changed?
Walloping Schumer doesn't' mean anything at this point. Democrats want someone who will push back on Trump and Schumer just doesn't cut it. Just because AOC is filling that void now doesn't mean she's driving the bus. She'll be A voice in Democratic politics for a long time, but she'll never be THE voice long term.
This conversation will look very different after the midterms.
I think on paper she has an impressive resume in terms of state and federal government roles. Davis had been a player at Alabama, had pro playing experience, and was an assistant at Alabama and Indiana when he was named IU head coach. On paper, that had a lot of people convinced too.
again. it doesn't have to be her. her voice is REPRESENTATIVE of where hte party is today and has been. it's why biden went left. it's why harris was chosen. it's why walz was chosen. it's why the only names we hear are aoc, harris, walz, newsom etc. at some point when is the left going to come out of its slumber and realize this is your party. you sound like a mccain cheney bush republican re maga. oblivious.
These are two different arguments. Related, but different.
As for the former, I think you just do it. Instead of navel-gazing about how you can't do it, or why you can't, you just recognize that she's not a very strong presidential candidate...as she had already proven.
And the "you" in this instance is the party standard bearers: Obama x2, Clinton x2, Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, etal.
But one of the things that distinguishes the parties is that Dems are basically a coalition party. A party of parties, almost. And both race and gender are among the constituent identity groups. Many people with audible voices would've said that passing her over (especially for Shapiro) would be crapping on blacks and/or women. And then they worry about turnout among those voting blocs.
As for the second, it's pretty well-known that Obama wanted a "mini-primary" -- involving delegates, I assume. He knew that Harris would be a hard sell. I think this is a better argument than the first one. The transition is easier, given the time constraints. In this sense, Biden kinda screwed the party by being so stubborn.
But he had help. It was almost verboten for any Democrat, c. 2023 or early 2024 to suggest tossing Biden overboard. Dean Phillips got a lot of crap for running against the incumbent. He wasn't the right guy to do it, of course. But he had the right idea.
Why do you suppose that Harris made such an effort to distance herself from some of her past statements and positions?
I don't think her doing this dampened her standing with the left. They may not have liked her appearing with Liz Cheney or touting Dick Cheney's endorsement. But I think most of them understood that this wasn't her embracing any of their views, it was her hoping to reach out to disaffected Republicans wary of Trump.
I never thought that was well-supported by any empirical argument. Trump had already run twice and held just as much on to self-identified Republicans as Clinton and Biden held on to self-identified Democrats. I think Harris was making a plea to a batch of voters who were either already in her camp or were otherwise not gettable.
Yes. I think she new there was no way progressives would vote for trump so she had that vote baked in no matter what so could make a plea for the middle. Her history and voting record belied that effort with the middle
You're the first person I ever heard say Mike Davis had an impressive resume at the time he took the IU job.
People vote for people they like and think like them. Clinton and Harris didn't fill either bill.
Disagree. I think it was woke and a repudiation of same. That Dems think they didn’t lean in enough is telling.
As for Clinton. What a pivotal election that turned out to be in retrospect. We likely would have avoided progressive insanity, trump, trump again.
The Biden inner circle and those who knew about Biden's mental decline also screwed the Dems over. Two recent books covering this have come out recently, revealing what the non-tribalist Dems all could see with our own eyes at that first Presidential debate and before.
You’re the first (and only) person to say that Musk wouldn’t dare do anything illegal as DOGE leader because, if he did, he would be prosecuted and go to jail for a long time.
I would include the mainstream media in that list. Most (not all) of them worked pretty hard to stanch the narrative about Biden having declined. But they're so insistent that they are objective, neutral, impartial, etc. I can't imagine that too many people are buying that anymore.
One thing that I picked up on was that they spoke more about his age (as in, a number) and less about his condition. And I would guess that part of that was the fact that Trump wasn't much younger. But that's BS. Some people are as (mentally) spry as ever at 85 or 90. Warren Buffett comes to mind. And others have started to have declines well before 80.
When they'd discuss his condition, it was very common to hear how alert he was in private, how much he grasped all the nuances of complex issues, etc.
All the people who took part in this bear at least some responsibility for getting the Democratic Party to the no-win position it was in on June 28th, 2024. They were earnestly trying to do him and the party a favor -- and it backfired in a huge way.
Anyone with a d next to their name is automatically too progressive for you regardless of their actual politics
Voted Clinton and Obama. Are you ever right?
He may have never said it, but the assumption from the beginning was (at least for me) that he'd be a one term President -- that he'd beat Trump, clean up the Trump mess, and then pass the baton. At some point that changed. It shouldn't have.
I assumed that the SNL skit "Girl you wish you had never started a conversation with"
Is based on AOC. Does the skit precede her?
Is based on AOC. Does the skit precede her?
I think you are correct. This is why Democrats poll in the 30% approval range.
Democrats need to find an issue and advance solutions. Pushing men in women’s sports, favoring China goods in the U.S., or defending violent illegal immigrants wont cut it.
