Playing to Win by author Michael Lewis
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This already sold but is a good one, if a bit too big for my tastes:
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I’m actually really surprised by that price. Thought it would be way moreThis already sold but is a good one, if a bit too big for my tastes:
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He discusses a book, The Game of Life, that came out circa 2000. In it they did a study. Based on items like GPA, SAT/ACT, etc, in 1976 a minority student had a 49% greater chance to get into colleges (any college). Athletes had a 23% greater chance, and legacies had a 20% greater chance.
By 1999, an athlete had a 48% greater chance, a legacy a 20%, and a minority had an 18% greater chance.
The book supposedly has data showing between 1976 and 1999, athletes did not gain in SAT and or GPA as much as other groups.
The book suggested that big-time college athletics do not make big money for the university. They do make money for contractors making stadiums and practice fields, and for coaches. Here is an article suggesting only 57% of colleges make money on football.
He points out Varsity Blues showing how influential athletics are. Those kids didn't fake chess championships or Science Olympiad wins.
1/3 of students at Williams, an elite liberal arts schools, are athletic scholarship people. So many athletes crowd out room for non-athletes.
An organization called Next Generation College Student-Athlete was created to help kids get seen by college coaches. In the mid-teens, it was generating $100 million per year.
An equity firm has started by local soccer teams with the goal of putting them under one corporate umbrella and selling it.
A large youth sports conference was held in NYC in 2019, and over a thousand attended. The top attended session was on mergers and acquisitions in youth sports.
He points out if one wants to use sports for a scholarship, rich people's sports are the way to go. The best odds for women are sports with horses and crew. Fencing and lacrosse are the best for men (taking into account the numbers involved at the high school level vs the number of available college scholarships).
Lewis mentions that youth sports are a strange world. Parents literally spend hundreds of thousands of dollars that, if spent in a 529 would easily get their kids in schools, to get kids into schools that want them to bolster athletics which is a money loser for most universities.
By the way, as far as sports go. He mentions there isn't much for football outside of school football. He said in most sports, the ability to pay is what gets kids in. The exception is basketball. Basketball teams will get the better players in no matter their ability to pay. As a result, basketball travel teams struggle financially far more than something like lacrosse
And for Mc, in his breakdown on the different sports, soccer is the sport that likes to have a lot of red tape.
By 1999, an athlete had a 48% greater chance, a legacy a 20%, and a minority had an 18% greater chance.
The book supposedly has data showing between 1976 and 1999, athletes did not gain in SAT and or GPA as much as other groups.
The book suggested that big-time college athletics do not make big money for the university. They do make money for contractors making stadiums and practice fields, and for coaches. Here is an article suggesting only 57% of colleges make money on football.
College Athletics By The Numbers: A Deeper Look at Profitability
A recent NCAA report stated that only 14 of the 120 athletic programs in the Football Bowl Subdivision made money. The Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) includes all BCS conferences (PAC 10, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, etc) so odds are your favorite athletic program is losing money. 12% of college...
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He points out Varsity Blues showing how influential athletics are. Those kids didn't fake chess championships or Science Olympiad wins.
1/3 of students at Williams, an elite liberal arts schools, are athletic scholarship people. So many athletes crowd out room for non-athletes.
An organization called Next Generation College Student-Athlete was created to help kids get seen by college coaches. In the mid-teens, it was generating $100 million per year.
An equity firm has started by local soccer teams with the goal of putting them under one corporate umbrella and selling it.
A large youth sports conference was held in NYC in 2019, and over a thousand attended. The top attended session was on mergers and acquisitions in youth sports.
He points out if one wants to use sports for a scholarship, rich people's sports are the way to go. The best odds for women are sports with horses and crew. Fencing and lacrosse are the best for men (taking into account the numbers involved at the high school level vs the number of available college scholarships).
Lewis mentions that youth sports are a strange world. Parents literally spend hundreds of thousands of dollars that, if spent in a 529 would easily get their kids in schools, to get kids into schools that want them to bolster athletics which is a money loser for most universities.
By the way, as far as sports go. He mentions there isn't much for football outside of school football. He said in most sports, the ability to pay is what gets kids in. The exception is basketball. Basketball teams will get the better players in no matter their ability to pay. As a result, basketball travel teams struggle financially far more than something like lacrosse
And for Mc, in his breakdown on the different sports, soccer is the sport that likes to have a lot of red tape.
He’ll do fine it that. I thought the idea was to start from scratch in the blue ridge. Now he glammed it up.
Depends....does the wife leave and take everything or we stay together and I suffer there instead of here.
I kid honey. Don't beat me.
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In many ways, I'm lucky. I've known for a very long time that my kids would never be good enough to compete for an athletic scholarship.
I didn't think Williams gave athletic scholarships. They didn't in 1990 when I was looking to go there:
SportsRecruits | Williams College (Massachusetts) Men's Football Recruiting & Scholarship Information
Explore Williams College (Massachusetts), men's football scholarship and recruiting opportunities. Research the program and learn how to get recruited for college men's football at Williams College.
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"Williams College does not offer athletic scholarships for Football. Need-based and academic scholarships are available for student-athletes. Athletic scholarships are available for NCAA Division I, NCAA Division II, NAIA and NJCAA. On average, 34% of all student-athletes receive athletic scholarships."
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I don't want it that glam. I want something 1,000 sq ft max. I'd prefer to build it myself:
But a prefab would be cool, too:
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IU Kokomo has around 4,000+ students and offers a lot of IU degrees, including an MBA.
They also partner with Purdue to offer technology degrees and classes. Good nursing program, too (IU, not Purdue).
Last I knew, they have several sports, including basketball (of course) and quite a few student housing options close to campus (not owned by the university).
For someone so weak, you shouldn't be so condescending. lol
Theoretically, separating athletics from academics is a great idea - it's how Europe does it.
Psychologically, it will never happen in the US.
Frankly, I think it's a great reason to limit high schools to 800 - 1,000 kids per school. Gives many more kids a chance to participate in these sports palaces we've built.
I am not great. The usual is me trying to keep it under 42 mins. Record (for me is 40:26 or something like that. 2:00 500m splits would be 40mins. I ain't gonna make it.
Your younger folks who row competitvely can do it in sub 35mins. Which is f*cking insane. That's a 1:45 split for nearly 35 mins. Try to 1000m with a 1:45 split. Doable. Now try 2k.
Dead.
I was wrong, they play Williams sports and coaches get a say in admitting them, but they aren't on scholarship. Even non-scholarship athletes get preferential admissions.In many ways, I'm lucky. I've known for a very long time that my kids would never be good enough to compete for an athletic scholarship.
I didn't think Williams gave athletic scholarships. They didn't in 1990 when I was looking to go there:
SportsRecruits | Williams College (Massachusetts) Men's Football Recruiting & Scholarship Information
Explore Williams College (Massachusetts), men's football scholarship and recruiting opportunities. Research the program and learn how to get recruited for college men's football at Williams College.
"Williams College does not offer athletic scholarships for Football. Need-based and academic scholarships are available for student-athletes. Athletic scholarships are available for NCAA Division I, NCAA Division II, NAIA and NJCAA. On average, 34% of all student-athletes receive athletic scholarships."
So I checked.
Current season (2023) statistics for all folks using a Concept 2 rower for ages 40-49
Best - 33:43.6
Average: 43:29
I'm in the 50-75th percentile for my age group. There's a guy in Carmel that I can't beat. No matter what I do. Freak. He's got a time of 37:34. I'm never getting there.
Frown.
Edit: And there's a 46 y/o woman in Indiana doing it in sub 45mins.
So mid. I'm so, so mid.
Sacrifices need to be made, Lars.
If you only knew Marv how much we spend on this stuff. And my youngest isn't even part of the cost equation yet!
And my kids aren't even in hockey!
Shit, me walking up and down the stairs at Wiliams Arena = dead. Get a god damn escalator!
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