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"'This was a gift to us': Ivermectin effective for COVID-19 prophylaxis, treatment" https://www.healio.com/news/primary...n-effective-for-covid19-prophylaxis-treatment

Some positive news. But of course the media and AP so called fact checkers have already debunked it with zero evidence. Media is just pathetic.

"Fact-checking recent claims about COVID-19 vaccines, 'wonder drugs' and more | National News | heraldcourier.com" https://heraldcourier.com/news/nati...ion_7e0e6bea-6964-5b68-b615-56c8a298c53d.html
 
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"'This was a gift to us': Ivermectin effective for COVID-19 prophylaxis, treatment" https://www.healio.com/news/primary...n-effective-for-covid19-prophylaxis-treatment

Some positive news. But of course the media and AP so called fact checkers have already debunked it with zero evidence. Media is just pathetic.

"Fact-checking recent claims about COVID-19 vaccines, 'wonder drugs' and more | National News | heraldcourier.com" https://heraldcourier.com/news/nati...ion_7e0e6bea-6964-5b68-b615-56c8a298c53d.html
Media is pathetic for reporting facts? What the hell do you expect them to do?
 
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Media is pathetic for reporting facts? What the hell do you expect them to do?

It appears he wants them to sign onto a drug that has never had a single trial run on it for this use based on the word of a doctor. It appears anecdotal evidence is all we need any more. My cousin's friend's uncle's barber's nephew heard that there was cheating in the election, so there must have been cheating. A doctor gave someone paint thinner for COVID and that person never developed COVID, so it must be a miracle cure. Below is what the AP said, I am curious why anyone finds it inaccurate:

CLAIM: The antiparasitic drug ivermectin "has a miraculous effectiveness that obliterates" the transmission of Covid-19 and will prevent people from getting sick.​
THE FACTS: During a Senate hearing on Tuesday, a group of doctors touted alternative Covid-19 treatments, including ivermectin and the anti-malaria medication hydroxychloroquine. Medical experts have cautioned against using either of those drugs to treat Covid-19. Studies have shown that hydroxychloroquine has no benefit against the coronavirus and can have serious side effects. There is no evidence ivermectin has been proven a safe or effective treatment against Covid-19. Yet Dr Pierre Kory, a pulmonary and critical care specialist at Aurora St Luke's Medical Centre in Milwaukee, described ivermectin as a "wonder drug" with immensely powerful antiviral and anti-inflammatory agents at the hearing before the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee. Clips of Kory's comments on ivermectin during the hearing were shared widely on social media, one clip receiving more than 1 million views on YouTube. Ivermectin is approved in the US in tablet form to treat parasitic worms as well as a topical solution to treat external parasites. The drug is also available for animals. The US Food and Drug Administration and the National Institutes of Health have said the drug is not approved for the prevention or treatment of Covid-19. According to the FDA, side effects for the drug include skin rash, nausea and vomiting. Dr Amesh Adalja, an infectious disease expert at Johns Hopkins University, said most of the research around ivermectin at the moment is made up of anecdotes and studies that are not the gold standard in terms of how to use ivermectin. "We need to get much more data before we can say this is a definitive treatment," he said. "We would like to see more data before I recommend it to my patients." Kory told the AP he stands by the comments he made at the hearing, saying he was not trying to promote the drug but the data around it. In June, Australian researchers published the findings of a study that found ivermectin inhibited the replication of Sars-CoV-2 in a laboratory setting, which is not the same as testing the drug on humans or animals. Following the study, the FDA released a letter out of concern warning consumers not to self-medicate with ivermectin products intended for animals. "It is a far cry from an in vitro lab replication to helping humans," said Dr Nasia Safdar, medical director of infection prevention at the University of Wisconsin-Madison Hospital. The discussion about the drug in the Senate hearing has some experts worried that Americans will start buying up ivermectin out of desperation. Despite a majority of evidence showing hydroxychloroquine is not an effective Covid-19 treatment, there was a rush on that drug earlier this year after President Donald Trump called it a cure. That depleted supply for those who needed the medication to treat lupus and other conditions. "If there is one thing we have learned in the pandemic is that we cannot jump the gun as far as determining or making assumptions about the effectiveness of potential agents," Safdar said.​

 
Media is pathetic for reporting facts? What the hell do you expect them to do?

They don't report all the facts, only what they want you to hear. AP chose an out of context quote to debunk and ignored discussing the current studies human studies that are ongoing.

An accurate assessment of the claim would have unknown, and mentioned studies are ongoing.
 
It appears he wants them to sign onto a drug that has never had a single trial run on it for this use based on the word of a doctor. It appears anecdotal evidence is all we need any more. My cousin's friend's uncle's barber's nephew heard that there was cheating in the election, so there must have been cheating. A doctor gave someone paint thinner for COVID and that person never developed COVID, so it must be a miracle cure. Below is what the AP said, I am curious why anyone finds it inaccurate:

CLAIM: The antiparasitic drug ivermectin "has a miraculous effectiveness that obliterates" the transmission of Covid-19 and will prevent people from getting sick.​
THE FACTS: During a Senate hearing on Tuesday, a group of doctors touted alternative Covid-19 treatments, including ivermectin and the anti-malaria medication hydroxychloroquine. Medical experts have cautioned against using either of those drugs to treat Covid-19. Studies have shown that hydroxychloroquine has no benefit against the coronavirus and can have serious side effects. There is no evidence ivermectin has been proven a safe or effective treatment against Covid-19. Yet Dr Pierre Kory, a pulmonary and critical care specialist at Aurora St Luke's Medical Centre in Milwaukee, described ivermectin as a "wonder drug" with immensely powerful antiviral and anti-inflammatory agents at the hearing before the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee. Clips of Kory's comments on ivermectin during the hearing were shared widely on social media, one clip receiving more than 1 million views on YouTube. Ivermectin is approved in the US in tablet form to treat parasitic worms as well as a topical solution to treat external parasites. The drug is also available for animals. The US Food and Drug Administration and the National Institutes of Health have said the drug is not approved for the prevention or treatment of Covid-19. According to the FDA, side effects for the drug include skin rash, nausea and vomiting. Dr Amesh Adalja, an infectious disease expert at Johns Hopkins University, said most of the research around ivermectin at the moment is made up of anecdotes and studies that are not the gold standard in terms of how to use ivermectin. "We need to get much more data before we can say this is a definitive treatment," he said. "We would like to see more data before I recommend it to my patients." Kory told the AP he stands by the comments he made at the hearing, saying he was not trying to promote the drug but the data around it. In June, Australian researchers published the findings of a study that found ivermectin inhibited the replication of Sars-CoV-2 in a laboratory setting, which is not the same as testing the drug on humans or animals. Following the study, the FDA released a letter out of concern warning consumers not to self-medicate with ivermectin products intended for animals. "It is a far cry from an in vitro lab replication to helping humans," said Dr Nasia Safdar, medical director of infection prevention at the University of Wisconsin-Madison Hospital. The discussion about the drug in the Senate hearing has some experts worried that Americans will start buying up ivermectin out of desperation. Despite a majority of evidence showing hydroxychloroquine is not an effective Covid-19 treatment, there was a rush on that drug earlier this year after President Donald Trump called it a cure. That depleted supply for those who needed the medication to treat lupus and other conditions. "If there is one thing we have learned in the pandemic is that we cannot jump the gun as far as determining or making assumptions about the effectiveness of potential agents," Safdar said.​


The problem with the fact check is is selectively chose a statement out of context and failed to recognize the several ongoing human trials worldwide.
 
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The problem with the fact check is is selectively chose a statement out of context and failed to recognize the several ongoing human trials worldwide.

Does it matter that trials are ongoing? At this moment, right now, it is unproven. We did not start mass inoculations until the trials were over. Should we have started them in August announcing the trials that prove they work are ongoing?
 
They don't report all the facts, only what they want you to hear. AP chose an out of context quote to debunk and ignored discussing the current studies human studies that are ongoing.

An accurate assessment of the claim would have unknown, and mentioned studies are ongoing.
Out of context? Considering your first link the OP and your comments, it seems it was absolutely the proper context. The AP story simply stated that the claims of Ivermectin as some sort of miracle drug are as of yet unjustified.

You are the one promoting the unproven one-sided spin. And you are accusing the media of being biased for not supporting that same spin. That's hilarious.
 
Out of context? Considering your first link the OP and your comments, it seems it was absolutely the proper context. The AP story simply stated that the claims of Ivermectin as some sort of miracle drug are as of yet unjustified.

You are the one promoting the unproven one-sided spin. And you are accusing the media of being biased for not supporting that same spin. That's hilarious.

We all hope it is a miracle drug. But the only way we know it is a miracle drug is to put it through trials. I do not get why people neglect that part.
 
They don't report all the facts, only what they want you to hear. AP chose an out of context quote to debunk and ignored discussing the current studies human studies that are ongoing.

An accurate assessment of the claim would have unknown, and mentioned studies are ongoing.
Just shut up, wear your mask and roll up your sleeve, so when the vaccine arrives you don't hold up the line.
 
A piece of advice kiddo, drop the doctor it just sounds fraudulent. :).

Yeah, he better watch out or Tucker will be labelling him illiterate and defining his receipt of a doctorate as "Our National Shame"...


The unintentional irony. Tucker Carlson a second rate entertainer who plays a political pundit on tv is calling out someone else's intelligence...
 
Does it matter that trials are ongoing? At this moment, right now, it is unproven. We did not start mass inoculations until the trials were over. Should we have started them in August announcing the trials that prove they work are ongoing?

Where did I say start mass inoculations? Just more made up BS on your part. I said it was positive news and Dr. Kory was only asking for a NIH, FDA, and/or CDC review of the data. But the media, specifically AP, tried to debunk it without any evidence except for a quote from a doctor who said he needs to see more evidence. Not that the idea was BS and bad, but he needs more proof. So, let's have the NIH, CDC, and FDA look at the proof. Is there some problem with that?
 
Out of context? Considering your first link the OP and your comments, it seems it was absolutely the proper context. The AP story simply stated that the claims of Ivermectin as some sort of miracle drug are as of yet unjustified.

You are the one promoting the unproven one-sided spin. And you are accusing the media of being biased for not supporting that same spin. That's hilarious.

Did you even read the healio article? Did you even take 2 minutes to research anything? Read the white paper? Read the studies in Australia, Iraq, Argentina? Watch Dr. Kory at the Senate hearing? Do anything but open up your yapper and respond without thinking or researching? I know you didn't, otherwise you would agree with me that ivermectin needs to researched and not debunked prematurely. It may not be a wonder drug, but trying to debunk it with one doctor who says he needs to see more evidence is not a conclusive determination that the claim is a falsehood.

But, yeah, let's believe a French teacher acting like a fact checker for the AP over multiple decorated doctors who have published thousands of papers,
 
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Did you even read the healio article? Did you even take 2 minutes to research anything? Read the white paper? Read the studies in Australia, Iraq, Argentina? Watch Dr. Kory at the Senate hearing? Do anything but open up your yapper and respond without thinking or researching? I know you didn't, otherwise you would agree with me that ivermectin needs to researched and not debunked prematurely. It may not be a wonder drug, but trying to debunk it with one doctor who says he needs to see more evidence is not a conclusive determination that the claim is a falsehood.

But, yeah, let's believe a French teacher acting like a fact checker for the AP over multiple decorated doctors who have published thousands of papers,
Your self-contradictions have my head spinning.
 
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"'This was a gift to us': Ivermectin effective for COVID-19 prophylaxis, treatment" https://www.healio.com/news/primary...n-effective-for-covid19-prophylaxis-treatment

Some positive news. But of course the media and AP so called fact checkers have already debunked it with zero evidence. Media is just pathetic.

"Fact-checking recent claims about COVID-19 vaccines, 'wonder drugs' and more | National News | heraldcourier.com" https://heraldcourier.com/news/nati...ion_7e0e6bea-6964-5b68-b615-56c8a298c53d.html
Dude. It’s an anti-parasitic. And it’s old as dirt.
 
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Ummm....

Arsenic, first introduced for the treatment of syphilis in the form of arsphenamine (Salvarsan, ‘compound 606’) by Paul Ehrlich [13], is now being used, in the form of arsenic trioxide, to treat promyelocytic leukaemia [14].

Duloxetine, a serotonin and noradrenaline reuptake blocker, developed for the treatment of depression, is being used in the management of detrusor instability [15].

Ethacrynic acid, long abandoned as a loop diuretic, has apoptotic effects through actions on glutathione transferase, which could be harnessed in the development of new anticancer drugs [16].

Miltefosine, initially developed for breast cancer [17], is now being used to treat visceral leishmaniasis [18].

Nitric oxide, the effector in the treatment of angina pectoris with glyceryl trinitrate and related compounds, first used in the nineteenth century, is now being used to treat pulmonary hypertension [19].

Thalidomide, originally developed as a hypnotic in the 1950s and taken off the market because of its teratogenic effects [20], inhibits the synthesis of tumor necrosis factor-alfa and other cytokines and is now being used as an immunomodulator in a variety of diseases, such as multiple myeloma [21] and erythema nodosum leprosum [22].

Tretinoin (all-trans retinoic acid), a standby in the treatment of severe acne, is now also being used in the management of acute promyelocytic leukemia [23].

Other examples have been given and referred to elsewhere [24]. Nor is this principle limited to drug treatments. For example, beta radiation, which has long been used in ophthalmology, for example in the treatment of pterygium, has recently had its indications expanded to include age-related macular degeneration and trabeculectomy and has also been used in the prevention of restenosis following coronary balloon angioplasty or stenting [25].
 
Did you even read the healio article? Did you even take 2 minutes to research anything? Read the white paper? Read the studies in Australia, Iraq, Argentina? Watch Dr. Kory at the Senate hearing? Do anything but open up your yapper and respond without thinking or researching? I know you didn't, otherwise you would agree with me that ivermectin needs to researched and not debunked prematurely. It may not be a wonder drug, but trying to debunk it with one doctor who says he needs to see more evidence is not a conclusive determination that the claim is a falsehood.

But, yeah, let's believe a French teacher acting like a fact checker for the AP over multiple decorated doctors who have published thousands of papers,

Do you remember when Henry Ford in Michigan announced their study showing hydroxy was a miracle cure? It has not proven to be yet. Why?

Well, Ford's study was an observational study. They went in after the fact and looked at the results of people given hydroxy vs those not. Sounds perfectly good, right?

There are two potential problems. One is gatekeeper bias. Are the doctors choosing to give the drug to those without comorbodities than with? We know the end result of people without comorbodities is far more likely to be better.

The second problem is non standardization of care. In Ford's case they were far more likely to give remdesivir to people receiving hydroxy than to those not getting hydroxy.

No, I have not read those studies, have you?

Gold standard random controlled studies are the ones that WILL tell us something is a miracle. Other studies are nice, they help point the way. They give us hope, or they show a drug is not worth pursuing. But if your life is on the line, take the drug from the random controlled study.

Many of those studies were done about the time president Trump had his bout. Which route did his doctor's take? Did they give him this drug?
 
It’s pretty damned good at getting rid of scabies & head lice.... must work against viruses too... or at least COVID-infected mites?
I talked to a guy this week who swears that the bactrim he gives his horses is a cure-all.

He said, "When I get sick I dont go to the doctor, I go to the barn."

There are all kinds of kinds out there...
 
Do you remember when Henry Ford in Michigan announced their study showing hydroxy was a miracle cure? It has not proven to be yet. Why?

Well, Ford's study was an observational study. They went in after the fact and looked at the results of people given hydroxy vs those not. Sounds perfectly good, right?

There are two potential problems. One is gatekeeper bias. Are the doctors choosing to give the drug to those without comorbodities than with? We know the end result of people without comorbodities is far more likely to be better.

The second problem is non standardization of care. In Ford's case they were far more likely to give remdesivir to people receiving hydroxy than to those not getting hydroxy.

No, I have not read those studies, have you?

Gold standard random controlled studies are the ones that WILL tell us something is a miracle. Other studies are nice, they help point the way. They give us hope, or they show a drug is not worth pursuing. But if your life is on the line, take the drug from the random controlled study.

Many of those studies were done about the time president Trump had his bout. Which route did his doctor's take? Did they give him this drug?

I actually have read several of the studies. Admittedly, I don't understand everything I read.

But again, I posted this positive news. Is it not? And I posted how the media attempted to debunk the efficacy of the drug before any finalized trials. I think it is too early to dismiss this drug, but for some reason, the AP felt the need to have their expert French linguist fact check the out of context statement.
 
I actually have read several of the studies. Admittedly, I don't understand everything I read.

But again, I posted this positive news. Is it not? And I posted how the media attempted to debunk the efficacy of the drug before any finalized trials. I think it is too early to dismiss this drug, but for some reason, the AP felt the need to have their expert French linguist fact check the out of context statement.

I have to hand it to you cons, even after everything has been pointed out to you, you don’t budge from your horseshit argument. Bravo.
#stopthesteal
#trusttheplan
 
I have to hand it to you cons, even after everything has been pointed out to you, you don’t budge from your horseshit argument. Bravo.
#stopthesteal
#trusttheplan

How is this a dem vs repub issue? I am talking about a potentially effective drug that top doctors want to see reviewed by the NIH, etc. And the media uses a French teacher as their fact checker to try and throw a wet blanket on it.
 
How is this a dem vs repub issue? I am talking about a potentially effective drug that top doctors want to see reviewed by the NIH, etc. And the media uses a French teacher as their fact checker to try and throw a wet blanket on it.

Why are you anti-teacher?
 
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Why are you anti-teacher?

Why do you trust a French teacher's fact check over several highly respected pulmonary physicians? BTW - my wife is a teacher and does not fact check medical or scientific studies. But I am encouraging her to do so with AP as a fact checker now that I see no medical background is needed.
 
Why do you trust a French teacher's fact check over several highly respected pulmonary physicians? BTW - my wife is a teacher and does not fact check medical or scientific studies. But I am encouraging her to do so with AP as a fact checker now that I see no medical background is needed.

If a doctor tells me that eating a scoop of dog shit will cure cancer, do I need to wait for another doctor to do a fact check?
 
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