IU Should Lead The Parade of The Financially-Unwilling Out of The NCAA

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Collective action against the NIL Cheaters needs to be taken. So let’s leave and let the alligators eat each other. It won’t be long and they’ll NEED us back.

The SCOTUS said the NCAA could not have rules limiting what an athlete could earn using their name, image and likeness. The poor, unpaid athletes getting $50,000 -$100,000 per year needed “to earn” too.

Nobody said the schools could just raise money and ”pay for play.”

So what have the traditional powers done? Pay for play. Did it in both 21 and 22, and meanwhile we’re still wandering around on the track and “approaching the starting gate.”

Ohio State asked for funding for FOOTBALL player salaries that would outspend the entire athletic budget of dozens - DOZENS - of NCAA D-1 schools!



Does IU have an extra $10,000,000 (and rising) to compete in JUST FOOTBALL - not to mention the other 23 sports - (IU has over 600 scholarship athletes)? No, and they will be unwilling if they find it. (In-state tuition ALONE is over $11,000 and out of state is over $37,000.Average that at $25,000 and IU needs $12,500,000 JUST FOR TUITION.)

Are the kids using their name, image and likeness? Selling jerseys? Endorsements? Nope. Just cutting deals for cash.

IU has “waited for rules” and damaged our ability to ever catch up, right at the time we had almost become minimally competitive for the first time since Mallory. Wilson’s”Welcome to Big Boy Football” is officially dead - we are as far down as we have ever been, and only new money - not coaches - will get us off the mat.

IMO, based on history since 1960, “pay for play“ will effectively END the ability of the following schools to play for conference championships in football, either because of their small “college football” markets, small market generally, lack of support, historical resistance to being a “football factory” and/or falling too far behind to play - they either can’t or won’t

SEC
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Arkansas
Kentucky
Missouri
South Carolina
Vanderbilt

Big Ten
Indiana
Rutgers
Maryland
NW
Illinois
Purdue

Big 12
Iowa State
WVU
Texas Tech
Kansas State
Kansas

ACC
NC State
Boston College
Wake
Louisville
Syracuse
Pitt
Virginia Tech
Georgia Tech

PAC12
Stanford
Washington State
Cal
Oregon State
Arizona State
Colorado
Arizona

Every team in all other conferences.

Even Notre Dame has reason to pause and ask if it is willing to play THIS money game at THIS level.

 

[Tommaker]

Collective action against the NIL Cheaters needs to be taken. So let’s leave and let the alligators eat each other. It won’t be long and they’ll NEED us back.

The SCOTUS said the NCAA could not have rules limiting what an athlete could earn using their name, image and likeness. The poor, unpaid athletes getting $50,000 -$100,000 per year needed “to earn” too.

Nobody said the schools could just raise money and ”pay for play.”

So what have the traditional powers done? Pay for play. Did it in both 21 and 22, and meanwhile we’re still wandering around on the track and “approaching the starting gate.”

Ohio State asked for funding for FOOTBALL player salaries that would outspend the entire athletic budget of dozens - DOZENS - of NCAA D-1 schools!



Does IU have an extra $10,000,000 (and rising) to compete in JUST FOOTBALL - not to mention the other 23 sports - (IU has over 600 scholarship athletes)? No, and they will be unwilling if they find it. (In-state tuition ALONE is over $11,000 and out of state is over $37,000.Average that at $25,000 and IU needs $12,500,000 JUST FOR TUITION.)

Are the kids using their name, image and likeness? Selling jerseys? Endorsements? Nope. Just cutting deals for cash.

IU has “waited for rules” and damaged our ability to ever catch up, right at the time we had almost become minimally competitive for the first time since Mallory. Wilson’s”Welcome to Big Boy Football” is officially dead - we are as far down as we have ever been, and only new money - not coaches - will get us off the mat.

IMO, based on history since 1960, “pay for play“ will effectively END the ability of the following schools to play for conference championships in football, either because of their small “college football” markets, small market generally, lack of support, historical resistance to being a “football factory” and/or falling too far behind to play - they either can’t or won’t

SEC
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Arkansas
Kentucky
Missouri
South Carolina
Vanderbilt

Big Ten
Indiana
Rutgers
Maryland
NW
Illinois
Purdue

Big 12
Iowa State
WVU
Texas Tech
Kansas State
Kansas

ACC
NC State
Boston College
Wake
Louisville
Syracuse
Pitt
Virginia Tech
Georgia Tech

PAC12
Stanford
Washington State
Cal
Oregon State
Arizona State
Colorado
Arizona

Every team in all other conferences.

Even Notre Dame has reason to pause and ask if it is willing to play THIS money game at THIS level.

Preach ON, my brutha!

I like what you are saying, just don't know how it gets there. And Northwestern may have already fired the first shot across the bow with the new 35K capacity (12K under current) 800M "Entertainment complex" Ryan Field. Northwestern has the second highest endowment in the BT, so it's not like they don't have the alumni money to play the NIL game, it just really looks like they care not to.

And you are right about the Big Guys needing us. If teams fall into one of three categories (power house, perennial contenders and stooges) if the stooges leave you bring the perennial contenders down to stooge level and some of the powerhouses into perennial contenders. That won't be a good look for the remaining schools and the broadcasters.

The other thing nobody is talking about is a shrinking fan base. The big state schools like OSU, Bama, Texas, OSU, Florida, etc. have enough fans that are non- grads to keep the money dance alive for a few more decades. But if you are school who depends on mostly grads as your fans, and enrollment continues to shrink with the supply of 20 somethings decreasing, where do you pick up additional supporters and the $$$ that they bring?

Just saw a report that Vegas is down on numbers and they expect even lower visitors and dollars spent over the next year with an anticipated recession. It will be interesting to see if that affects college football as well.

One last thing, how long before the students in the non-revenue sports start filing lawsuits for unfair practices so THEY get paid?

 

[IUCrazy2]

Collective action against the NIL Cheaters needs to be taken. So let’s leave and let the alligators eat each other. It won’t be long and they’ll NEED us back.

The SCOTUS said the NCAA could not have rules limiting what an athlete could earn using their name, image and likeness. The poor, unpaid athletes getting $50,000 -$100,000 per year needed “to earn” too.

Nobody said the schools could just raise money and ”pay for play.”

So what have the traditional powers done? Pay for play. Did it in both 21 and 22, and meanwhile we’re still wandering around on the track and “approaching the starting gate.”

Ohio State asked for funding for FOOTBALL player salaries that would outspend the entire athletic budget of dozens - DOZENS - of NCAA D-1 schools!



Does IU have an extra $10,000,000 (and rising) to compete in JUST FOOTBALL - not to mention the other 23 sports - (IU has over 600 scholarship athletes)? No, and they will be unwilling if they find it. (In-state tuition ALONE is over $11,000 and out of state is over $37,000.Average that at $25,000 and IU needs $12,500,000 JUST FOR TUITION.)

Are the kids using their name, image and likeness? Selling jerseys? Endorsements? Nope. Just cutting deals for cash.

IU has “waited for rules” and damaged our ability to ever catch up, right at the time we had almost become minimally competitive for the first time since Mallory. Wilson’s”Welcome to Big Boy Football” is officially dead - we are as far down as we have ever been, and only new money - not coaches - will get us off the mat.

IMO, based on history since 1960, “pay for play“ will effectively END the ability of the following schools to play for conference championships in football, either because of their small “college football” markets, small market generally, lack of support, historical resistance to being a “football factory” and/or falling too far behind to play - they either can’t or won’t

SEC
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Arkansas
Kentucky
Missouri
South Carolina
Vanderbilt

Big Ten
Indiana
Rutgers
Maryland
NW
Illinois
Purdue

Big 12
Iowa State
WVU
Texas Tech
Kansas State
Kansas

ACC
NC State
Boston College
Wake
Louisville
Syracuse
Pitt
Virginia Tech
Georgia Tech

PAC12
Stanford
Washington State
Cal
Oregon State
Arizona State
Colorado
Arizona

Every team in all other conferences.

Even Notre Dame has reason to pause and ask if it is willing to play THIS money game at THIS level.

I think you are still missing teams too. Duke and UNC are not competing for a title for example. Neither is Minnesota.

 

[rediufan]

Interesting, if all the schools listed above left their respective conferences and formed a new conference it would get very interesting to say the least. The "pay to play" schools would only have each other to beat up on. Two different types a of conferences, two National Championships.

 

[Radio Zero]

Interesting, if all the schools listed above left their respective conferences and formed a new conference it would get very interesting to say the least. The "pay to play" schools would only have each other to beat up on. Two different types a of conferences, two National Championships.

A thought from some time ago from someone on the Purdue forum was this, additionally: the governing body is serious, with serious enforcement. A school is determined to have cheated, it’s out of the association. That’s it. State U. is done.

Sure, a school will be at the mercy of rogue actors, but they are *now*, anyway.

 

[FrankTGucker]

Collective action against the NIL Cheaters needs to be taken. So let’s leave and let the alligators eat each other. It won’t be long and they’ll NEED us back.

The SCOTUS said the NCAA could not have rules limiting what an athlete could earn using their name, image and likeness. The poor, unpaid athletes getting $50,000 -$100,000 per year needed “to earn” too.

Nobody said the schools could just raise money and ”pay for play.”

So what have the traditional powers done? Pay for play. Did it in both 21 and 22, and meanwhile we’re still wandering around on the track and “approaching the starting gate.”

Ohio State asked for funding for FOOTBALL player salaries that would outspend the entire athletic budget of dozens - DOZENS - of NCAA D-1 schools!



Does IU have an extra $10,000,000 (and rising) to compete in JUST FOOTBALL - not to mention the other 23 sports - (IU has over 600 scholarship athletes)? No, and they will be unwilling if they find it. (In-state tuition ALONE is over $11,000 and out of state is over $37,000.Average that at $25,000 and IU needs $12,500,000 JUST FOR TUITION.)

Are the kids using their name, image and likeness? Selling jerseys? Endorsements? Nope. Just cutting deals for cash.

IU has “waited for rules” and damaged our ability to ever catch up, right at the time we had almost become minimally competitive for the first time since Mallory. Wilson’s”Welcome to Big Boy Football” is officially dead - we are as far down as we have ever been, and only new money - not coaches - will get us off the mat.

IMO, based on history since 1960, “pay for play“ will effectively END the ability of the following schools to play for conference championships in football, either because of their small “college football” markets, small market generally, lack of support, historical resistance to being a “football factory” and/or falling too far behind to play - they either can’t or won’t

SEC
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Arkansas
Kentucky
Missouri
South Carolina
Vanderbilt

Big Ten
Indiana
Rutgers
Maryland
NW
Illinois
Purdue

Big 12
Iowa State
WVU
Texas Tech
Kansas State
Kansas

ACC
NC State
Boston College
Wake
Louisville
Syracuse
Pitt
Virginia Tech
Georgia Tech

PAC12
Stanford
Washington State
Cal
Oregon State
Arizona State
Colorado
Arizona

Every team in all other conferences.

Even Notre Dame has reason to pause and ask if it is willing to play THIS money game at THIS level.

Kick us out of the B10 then, let’s go Division 3

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Kick us out of the B10 then, let’s go Division 3

They WILL kick us out - soon. Unless we act first.

USC and UCLA will help sell the message - "IU doesn't play games on the big money TV networks - WE at the top of the leagues play on ABC, CBS, NBC, ESPN and FOX. Indiana plays on the Laptop Computer Streaming Network. So they shouldn't get the "equal share" they did not earn."

We either play BIG BOY football or we lose the money anyway and die slower.

 

[DCDAVID]

SEC
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Arkansas
Kentucky
Missouri
South Carolina
Vanderbilt

Big Ten
Indiana
Rutgers
Maryland
NW
Illinois
Purdue

Big 12
Iowa State
WVU
Texas Tech
Kansas State
Kansas

ACC
NC State
Boston College
Wake
Louisville
Syracuse
Pitt
Virginia Tech
Georgia Tech

PAC12
Stanford
Washington State
Cal
Oregon State
Arizona State
Colorado
Arizona

Every team in all other conferences.

Even Notre Dame has reason to pause and ask if it is willing to play THIS money game at THIS level.

Pretty much none of those listed teams, except isolated cases like VA Tech in the Beamer days, were typically a threat to be in the college playoffs (nor the expanded version) before NIL. Ie, nothing much has really changed in regards to being able to compete at the highest level.

We didn’t really compete with the “big boys” before NIL and won’t compete with them now.
We do, however, need enough NIL cash to compete with the teams you listed.

 

[Al Bino]

One last thing, how long before the students in the non-revenue sports start filing lawsuits for unfair practices so THEY get paid?

File lawsuits against who?

NIL applies to all athletes in all sports doesn't it?

If they can't make money, it is because no one is willing to pay them.

 

[Tommaker]

File lawsuits against who?

It doesn't matter. As long as there are lawyers willing to take the case...

Grant House Seeking Class Status in Lawsuit for Lost NIL Pay

Attorneys for Arizona State swimmer Grant House filed a petition Friday seeking class certification in their antitrust lawsuit against the NCAA.

swimswam.com

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

File lawsuits against who?

NIL applies to all athletes in all sports doesn't it?

If they can't make money, it is because no one is willing to pay them.

I'm talking about a school that contacts a player on our team and convinces them to portal to them - in breach of or at least doing damage to an existing NIL contract.

 

[Radio Zero]

 

[12375CAT]

NIL $/player needs to be capped.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

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It stinks. No way it wasn’t in motion.

 

[vesuvius13]

Preach ON, my brutha!

I like what you are saying, just don't know how it gets there. And Northwestern may have already fired the first shot across the bow with the new 35K capacity (12K under current) 800M "Entertainment complex" Ryan Field. Northwestern has the second highest endowment in the BT, so it's not like they don't have the alumni money to play the NIL game, it just really looks like they care not to.

And you are right about the Big Guys needing us. If teams fall into one of three categories (power house, perennial contenders and stooges) if the stooges leave you bring the perennial contenders down to stooge level and some of the powerhouses into perennial contenders. That won't be a good look for the remaining schools and the broadcasters.

The other thing nobody is talking about is a shrinking fan base. The big state schools like OSU, Bama, Texas, OSU, Florida, etc. have enough fans that are non- grads to keep the money dance alive for a few more decades. But if you are school who depends on mostly grads as your fans, and enrollment continues to shrink with the supply of 20 somethings decreasing, where do you pick up additional supporters and the $$$ that they bring?

Just saw a report that Vegas is down on numbers and they expect even lower visitors and dollars spent over the next year with an anticipated recession. It will be interesting to see if that affects college football as well.

One last thing, how long before the students in the non-revenue sports start filing lawsuits for unfair practices so THEY get paid?

I hate to tell Vegas the recession is here already no matter what the Biden administration says. Our business in our town can't get workers except older workers and traffic is really reduced at drive thru and stores.

 

[jsenleo]

It stinks. No way it wasn’t in motion.

Sorry but... now, that's the way of world. The NCAA is defenseless on this....

Expect to see this happening all the time.

 

[Tommaker]

I hate to tell Vegas the recession is here already no matter what the Biden administration says. Our business in our town can't get workers except older workers and traffic is really reduced at drive thru and stores.

Some of the restaurants in Indy are on reduced schedules, opening after 2 or 4 or not open early in the week. Our neighborhood Hardees went to a 6 a.m. to 2 p.m. permanent schedule because they couldn't get or keep people. Steak-N-Shake has been drive thru only. Weird stuff, I don't know how many businesses will be able to come through this next downturn.

 

[bwcoach]

Some of the restaurants in Indy are on reduced schedules, opening after 2 or 4 or not open early in the week. Our neighborhood Hardees went to a 6 a.m. to 2 p.m. permanent schedule because they couldn't get or keep people. Steak-N-Shake has been drive thru only. Weird stuff, I don't know how many businesses will be able to come through this next downturn.

I guess being an old fart I’m a little lost on how a lack of workers whether it be because people don’t want to work or they don’t have to work signals a recession. I’m not saying we’re are not in one. And if we’re not we will be. Our 401ks have taken a big dip. If they don’t want to work then they can probably afford not to in many cases. When we went through the recession in 08 give and take a couple years people wanted to work but there were no jobs.

 

[goody1986]

Collective action against the NIL Cheaters needs to be taken. So let’s leave and let the alligators eat each other. It won’t be long and they’ll NEED us back.

The SCOTUS said the NCAA could not have rules limiting what an athlete could earn using their name, image and likeness. The poor, unpaid athletes getting $50,000 -$100,000 per year needed “to earn” too.

Nobody said the schools could just raise money and ”pay for play.”

So what have the traditional powers done? Pay for play. Did it in both 21 and 22, and meanwhile we’re still wandering around on the track and “approaching the starting gate.”

Ohio State asked for funding for FOOTBALL player salaries that would outspend the entire athletic budget of dozens - DOZENS - of NCAA D-1 schools!



Does IU have an extra $10,000,000 (and rising) to compete in JUST FOOTBALL - not to mention the other 23 sports - (IU has over 600 scholarship athletes)? No, and they will be unwilling if they find it. (In-state tuition ALONE is over $11,000 and out of state is over $37,000.Average that at $25,000 and IU needs $12,500,000 JUST FOR TUITION.)

Are the kids using their name, image and likeness? Selling jerseys? Endorsements? Nope. Just cutting deals for cash.

IU has “waited for rules” and damaged our ability to ever catch up, right at the time we had almost become minimally competitive for the first time since Mallory. Wilson’s”Welcome to Big Boy Football” is officially dead - we are as far down as we have ever been, and only new money - not coaches - will get us off the mat.

IMO, based on history since 1960, “pay for play“ will effectively END the ability of the following schools to play for conference championships in football, either because of their small “college football” markets, small market generally, lack of support, historical resistance to being a “football factory” and/or falling too far behind to play - they either can’t or won’t

SEC
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Arkansas
Kentucky
Missouri
South Carolina
Vanderbilt

Big Ten
Indiana
Rutgers
Maryland
NW
Illinois
Purdue

Big 12
Iowa State
WVU
Texas Tech
Kansas State
Kansas

ACC
NC State
Boston College
Wake
Louisville
Syracuse
Pitt
Virginia Tech
Georgia Tech

PAC12
Stanford
Washington State
Cal
Oregon State
Arizona State
Colorado
Arizona

Every team in all other conferences.

Even Notre Dame has reason to pause and ask if it is willing to play THIS money game at THIS level.

I actually don’t think NIL changes things much. The pecking order will remain the same. We already weren’t competing for recruits with OSU. The portal is a much bigger deal, imo.

 

[Ohio Guy]

Collective action against the NIL Cheaters needs to be taken. So let’s leave and let the alligators eat each other. It won’t be long and they’ll NEED us back.

The SCOTUS said the NCAA could not have rules limiting what an athlete could earn using their name, image and likeness. The poor, unpaid athletes getting $50,000 -$100,000 per year needed “to earn” too.

Nobody said the schools could just raise money and ”pay for play.”

So what have the traditional powers done? Pay for play. Did it in both 21 and 22, and meanwhile we’re still wandering around on the track and “approaching the starting gate.”

Ohio State asked for funding for FOOTBALL player salaries that would outspend the entire athletic budget of dozens - DOZENS - of NCAA D-1 schools!



Does IU have an extra $10,000,000 (and rising) to compete in JUST FOOTBALL - not to mention the other 23 sports - (IU has over 600 scholarship athletes)? No, and they will be unwilling if they find it. (In-state tuition ALONE is over $11,000 and out of state is over $37,000.Average that at $25,000 and IU needs $12,500,000 JUST FOR TUITION.)

Are the kids using their name, image and likeness? Selling jerseys? Endorsements? Nope. Just cutting deals for cash.

IU has “waited for rules” and damaged our ability to ever catch up, right at the time we had almost become minimally competitive for the first time since Mallory. Wilson’s”Welcome to Big Boy Football” is officially dead - we are as far down as we have ever been, and only new money - not coaches - will get us off the mat.

IMO, based on history since 1960, “pay for play“ will effectively END the ability of the following schools to play for conference championships in football, either because of their small “college football” markets, small market generally, lack of support, historical resistance to being a “football factory” and/or falling too far behind to play - they either can’t or won’t

SEC
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Arkansas
Kentucky
Missouri
South Carolina
Vanderbilt

Big Ten
Indiana
Rutgers
Maryland
NW
Illinois
Purdue

Big 12
Iowa State
WVU
Texas Tech
Kansas State
Kansas

ACC
NC State
Boston College
Wake
Louisville
Syracuse
Pitt
Virginia Tech
Georgia Tech

PAC12
Stanford
Washington State
Cal
Oregon State
Arizona State
Colorado
Arizona

Every team in all other conferences.

Even Notre Dame has reason to pause and ask if it is willing to play THIS money game at THIS level.

What I find maddening is the 'foundations' these schools have created. OSU created "THE Foundation" to support their NIL efforts. As far as I can tell, the only difference is that the boosters who used to make payments under the table are now gladly and publicly making those payments over the proverbial table AND getting a tax deduction for a charitable contribution for them. That just seems messed up on so many levels.

 

[ElMeson]

What I find maddening is the 'foundations' these schools have created. OSU created "THE Foundation" to support their NIL efforts. As far as I can tell, the only difference is that the boosters who used to make payments under the table are now gladly and publicly making those payments over the proverbial table AND getting a tax deduction for a charitable contribution for them. That just seems messed up on so many levels.

OSU didn’t create the foundation. Brian Schottenstein (who is actually a Miami Fl Alumni) did. We have the same thing. It’s not a lot but I Donate $20 a month. Maddening isn’t it?

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[Dick nixon]

What I find maddening is the 'foundations' these schools have created. OSU created "THE Foundation" to support their NIL efforts. As far as I can tell, the only difference is that the boosters who used to make payments under the table are now gladly and publicly making those payments over the proverbial table AND getting a tax deduction for a charitable contribution for them. That just seems messed up on so many levels.

What is "that"?

 

[Ohio Guy]

What is "that"?

The fact that a payment that used to be against the rules and could potentially get a program on probation is now a tax deductible donation.

 

[Ohio Guy]

OSU didn’t create the foundation. Brian Schottenstein (who is actually a Miami Fl Alumni) did. We have the same thing. It’s not a lot but I Donate $20 a month. Maddening isn’t it?

Hoosiers For Good

Where Everyone Wins

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You're right, it was created by him and guys like Urban Meyer are on their board. I was just commenting on the absurdity that a payment that a few years ago would have earned a program NCAA probation and vacated records is now a charitable donation that is tax deductible.

 

[Dick nixon]

The fact that a payment that used to be against the rules and could potentially get a program on probation is now a tax deductible donation.

Thanks for clarifying! It is interesting to see how the rules change and the following countermoves.

I think the rules around 501 organizations and how they are used and manipulated is also fascinating.

 

[Chriselli]

Would it be possible to stay in the B1G in all sports but football/ Men's basketball? Kinda like the old Big East with Georgetown and UConn not playing football? If Indiana had the stones to leave, who would come with us? Purdue? Northwestern?

 

[iubhounds]

Would it be possible to stay in the B1G in all sports but football/ Men's basketball? Kinda like the old Big East with Georgetown and UConn not playing football? If Indiana had the stones to leave, who would come with us? Purdue? Northwestern?

These ideas on leaving the B1G is all a pipe dream. Won't happen unless the B1G gets really greedy in the next 5-10 years. Yes college football is changing the whole landscape but IU is not leaving the B1G in any sport.