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Is MAGA a Cult?

It's kind of funny how some people point at woke, BLM and/or Antifa where there really is no such organization.

Tell them that. I've met half a dozen hipsters around Bloomington that state they're members of the "BTown Antifa".

I mean, if you want to argue that they're basically insignificant nerds, I'll agree with you, but they at least describe themselves as an actual organization.

 
What the f**k is a wokester?

I've never met one ... to me the only time I hear that damn word is when a old white person is offended .

I've never met anybody in the CIA, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And of course that's an over the top example.

That's why nobody can put their finger on who's running the woke cult. There is no cult. But there is a mindset that we must accept anything couched in terms of "civil rights" as being OK and failure to comply is, well, pick an "ist" and that person is now a pariah for asking questions.

We used to believe in skepticism. Wtf happened to that? Why is asking why young black men kill more people than any other gruop in America an "ist" question? Why is asking if, perhaps just maybe, gender dysphoria (a diagnosable mental condition) could be causing teh rise in transgender youth? Why is that off limits?

Wokeism. See, I even added "ism" to make sound better.
 
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The left invents the concept of woke then gets mad when people are not interested in learning “neo pronouns” or getting excited about our president taking interviews with Dylan Mulvaney.

You tools have to figure out how to own that shit.
 
I've never met anybody in the CIA, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And of course that's an over the top example.

That's why nobody can put their finger on who's running the woke cult. There is no cult. But there is a mindset that we must accept anything couched in terms of "civil rights" as being OK and failure to comply is, well, pick an "ist" and that person is now a pariah for asking questions.

We used to believe in skepticism. Wtf happened to that? Why is asking why young black men kill more people than any other gruop in America and "ist" question? Why is asking if, perhaps just maybe, gender dysphoria (a diagnosable mental condition) could be causing teh rise in transgender youth? Why is that off limits?

Wokeism. See, I even added "ism" to make sound better.

Judging others is as old as time and I think one could argue conservatives are as guilty as liberals in that respect. woke is nothing but an umbrella term used as an insult towards liberals and more specifically ones they see as being extra judgmental liberals.

The pushback in this thread though is against posters that are claiming wokeists are a cult, which is asinine IMO. Woke is more often used as an insult, not something people actually identify themselves as being for the most part (i'm sure there are exceptions).
 
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1. Woke is a term created by African Americans to address the injustices toward that community, and now it has broadened to encompage injustices for other communities/causes. But where it is fairly easy to identify if one supports MAGA, it's much harder to define and/or identify "woke";

2. MAGA has a leader whereas "woke" does not. I asked about whether a MAGA is a cult. The lack of a leader with woke kind of ruins your "opposite sides of a coin" assestion; and

3. You have no idea if I "like" woke. I don't really identify with "woke", chiefly because I don't know what it exactly means.
Conservatives are running a campaign to discredit and ridicule all political and social terms created or used by liberals:


Meanwhile, conservatives reserve unto themselves use of inaccuracies such as "moral majority" or "law and order."
 
woke is nothing but an umbrella term used as an insults towards liberals and more specifically ones they see as being extra judgmental liberals.

I'll agree "woke" is lazy, drive by bullshit. But there are a bunch of extra judgmental liberals. A lot. The progressive mindset is becoming ever more binary. And that's the laziest thing of all.

Nobody wants to sit down and do the work of actually solving a cultural disagreement. It's easier just to yell at each other on the internet while we're pumping gas in our $70k SUV or dropping a deuce in our 500k house.

Whistling past the graveyard is all we're good at anymore.
 
Conservatives are running a campaign to discredit and ridicule all political and social terms created or used by liberals:


Meanwhile, conservatives reserve unto themselves use of inaccuracies such as "moral majority" or "law and order."
that's sort of an interesting article. in perfect cnn fashion it misses the point. it's usage of these things, and usage by the fringes, and bad apples, that create negative connotations with these words. CRT being a perfect example. crt, the genesis of crt, began with the law schools, lefty law school profs, and was/is imo a worthwhile topic as a class for that age/educational attainment. inviting it into schools for younger kids isn't. (ignoring whether it happened or not). Theoretically, by way of example, is where it becomes an infected/toxic word
 
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Conservatives are running a campaign to discredit and ridicule all political and social terms created or used by liberals:


Meanwhile, conservatives reserve unto themselves use of inaccuracies such as "moral majority" or "law and order."
that's sort of an interesting article. in perfect cnn fashion it misses the point. it's usage of these things, and usage by the fringes, and bad apples, that create negative connotations with these words. CRT being a perfect example. crt, the genesis of crt, began with the law schools, lefty law school profs, and was/is imo a worthwhile topic as a class for that age/educational attainment. inviting it into schools for younger kids isn't. (ignoring whether it happened or not). Theoretically, by way of example, is where it becomes an infected/toxic word

I agree with both of you. Also, we liberals like to say America First is RACIST! but if you think about it outside of an immigration lens you start to think a little more that, possibly, some of our trade decisions have had dire consequences for our middle class. Dems should co-opt America First and focus on jobs, but we're stupid.
 
I agree with both of you. Also, we liberals like to say America First is RACIST! but if you think about it outside of an immigration lens you start to think a little more that, possibly, some of our trade decisions have had dire consequences for our middle class. Dems should co-opt America First and focus on jobs, but we're stupid.
There is nothing wrong with America First. Biden is doing it without the Trump hoopla. His America first EV subsidy is trashing the German EV industry as German producers are moving production to the business friendly southern U.S.
 
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4 D chess




I kid.
Biden also left much of trumps China trade policies intact. Those are starting to be effective as shown by China‘s dire economic condition.

Of course the question is does Biden know what is going on or is this the result of staff and advisors.
 
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According to this definition, a body of people holding an individual in extreme scorn is also a cult.
are you saying that extreme scorn can count as veneration?

Maybe you need to look up veneration.

an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers

ven·er·a·tion
noun
  1. great respect; reverence.
    "the traditional veneration of saints"
 
Of course the question is does Biden know what is going on or is this the result of staff and advisors.

Who cares as long as it works.

I also think China's dire economic condition has to do with a COVID response/nonresponse/whoknows that didn't work out. And the supply chain issues from COVID era slowdowns. And us of course.
 
Yes. Extreme scorn and extreme veneration are similar emotions.
Doesn't matter. Extreme scorn doesn't count for a cultus, by definition. I'm not even endorsing OP's definition (which he himself clearly doesn't understand), but the emotion felt toward the object of the cult has to be extremely positive, one of adoration and unlimited love. Scorn doesn't count. You're simply ignoring the basic meaning of words when you start trying to equate the two.
 
Doesn't matter. Extreme scorn doesn't count for a cultus, by definition. I'm not even endorsing OP's definition (which he himself clearly doesn't understand), but the emotion felt toward the object of the cult has to be extremely positive, one of adoration and unlimited love. Scorn doesn't count. You're simply ignoring the basic meaning of words when you start trying to equate the two.
I think this is right.
 
Doesn't matter. Extreme scorn doesn't count for a cultus, by definition. I'm not even endorsing OP's definition (which he himself clearly doesn't understand), but the emotion felt toward the object of the cult has to be extremely positive, one of adoration and unlimited love. Scorn doesn't count. You're simply ignoring the basic meaning of words when you start trying to equate the two.
I think this is right.
Emotions like love, pleasure, fear, and anger originate in the same area of the brain. Im saying conduct and behavior driven by these emotions is pretty much the same.
 
Emotions like love, pleasure, fear, and anger originate in the same area of the brain. Im saying conduct and behavior driven by these emotions is pretty much the same.
I understand what you are saying but if we are sticking to the definition set forth above the feeling is limited to veneration. For the sake of this thread and argument we’ve let it be our guide
 
I understand what you are saying but if we are sticking to the definition set forth above the feeling is limited to veneration. For the sake of this thread and argument we’ve let it be our guide
Is a group, with no conspicuous leader, but driven by a common extreme fear and hatred of Black people a cult? I think yes.
 
Is a group, with no conspicuous leader, but driven by a common extreme fear and hatred of Black people a cult? I think yes.
a group, with no conspicuous leader, who adamantly believes that CRT is real and has never subsided and has poisoned every institution to the point that blacks have no chance to prosper in america until such time as they are given first choice and are first chosen would satisfy the definition
 
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Disagree. The OP defines cult as veneration of an ideal. If one’s ideal is a society of white people, why doesn’t that count?
veneration is a specific emotion. The definition specifically uses that word. It’s limited. Scorn is the opposite
 
Serious question. MAGA morphed from a campaign slogan to a political movement. But unlike movements such as the Tea Party, the movement is closely tied to a single leader.

This is not Ronald Reagan and trick down economics. The depth and breath of MAGA has spread to become a following with tremendous loyalty, often fanatical.

The definition of a cult from one dictionary:
an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers
I wasn’t going to answer, but since it’s a serious question, I will. Yes, MAGA is a cult. I spoke with some of the members and they said they hate DCGeneral. For your own safety you should probably stop posting on here. Your wonderful posts will be missed greatly, but safety first. Oh yeah….one of them said you like sh#t sandwich’s, but don’t worry I set them straight. I told them you don’t like bread.
 
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Woke and antifa are much the same. Fantasy fear porn for the inherently fearful .. both generally describe idealogical concepts and are not organized groups.

BLM is different as it actually exists as an organized group but still doesn't have a cult like following. It's more a grift.

MAGA is not really a cult as a whole, but does have cult like elements and has many members with cult like beliefs about Trump... .
****ing dumb…*
 
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veneration is a specific emotion. The definition specifically uses that word. It’s limited. Scorn is the opposite
Hm. So hating somebody for the right reasons is not a cult. But loving somebody for the wrong reasons is?

I gotta sleep on it.
 
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Biden also left much of trumps China trade policies intact. Those are starting to be effective as shown by China‘s dire economic condition.

Of course the question is does Biden know what is going on or is this the result of staff and advisors.
Of course he doesn't know what's going on.
 
The left invents the concept of woke then gets mad when people are not interested in learning “neo pronouns” or getting excited about our president taking interviews with Dylan Mulvaney.

You tools have to figure out how to own that shit.

Wrong. Woke was a term invented LONG ago by African Americans to highlight racial injustice.

If anything, the right has co-operate the term to invented someone to rally against.
 
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