My thoughts to above thoughts. Allen is a DC, hence State College. Guys landing in Alabama will learn something about organization. Something that wasn't in sight at IU. Bell was a terrible decision just as was several other hires displayed, absolute headshakers. Hiller was mediocre at best and then that went south. Inconsistent competent decision making is Allen's HCing resume whether it be staff hires, sideline or many times identifying offensive playmakers. 3 steps forward 2 back is no way to keep the sky from falling.
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So Warren is at North Carolina was previously at Florida and Georgia so perhaps they all made the same mistake. Sheridan left Iu and ended up at Washington coaching for a national title and now is at Alabama. Has to Be a mistake. Adam Henry is now with the Buffalo Bills after having coached the Browns, the 49ers and the Giants. Probably another mistake. Chad Wilt is now at Michigan State. we will see how that works out.
Lets get all of the facts.
Sheridan was just a TE coach at Washington (not the OC so he had to take a step down the ladder). Now back as an OC at Alabama but given that DeBoer is an offensive minded coach, that may not mean a whole lot.
Adam Henry went from Co-OC to a WR coach. Coaching in the pros without having to recruit isn't really apples to apples but glad he landed on his feet.
Chad Wilt went from DC at IU to Co-DC at IU to now Co-Special Teams Coord at MSU. Seems a bit of a step down. I don't think special teams coordinators are quite as high on the ladder as OC or DC.
Regardless, in using 20/20 hindsight, do you think those coaches would have been hired had we known their results in advance?
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Sheridan went from IU as an OC to UW as a TE coach (I think). Not a fair comparison. Some people reach their level of incompetence and I think Sheridan reached his here as OC.
A lot of selecting coaches is a crap shoot.
Nobody could have seen it coming!
So first off Sheridan was recommended for the OC position at IU by Deboer. When he was let go by IU Deboer hired him at UW. He already had an OC whom he had a lot of familiarity with in Ryan Grubb. Deboer showed his faith in Sheridan by hiring him and now that the OC position has opened up with Grubb going to the Seahawks. He has chosen Sheridan for the position he recommended him for. Adam Henry was in reality the wr coach at IU the same as at IU. The title of co offensive coordinator is the game folks play in college to get more money for assistant coaches. He was part of the game planning which he still is now with the Bills but he was not a play caller at IU or now. Same with Wilt. He was just given the title co-coordinator but was never the play caller. As for Warren you are correct he stepped back position wise but probably got a pay raise and went to a program with a future Hall Of Fame coach. I am not going to sit here and argue that Allen ws a great coach, I was a big supporter of his. However he had a chance to save his job by winning probably 2 out of his last 3 games, he did not do it and thus he had to go. I am also just saying that some of the guys you say can't coach have ended up in most cases in better situations, so other people besides Tom Allen feel as they can coach. Hell even Hiller has landed as an analyst for Hugh Freeze at Auburn.
In my mind Warren must be the most certifiable, solid gold Vaseline salesmen along with a proficiency in smoke and mirrors in all of FB. Probably is also a heavy Dramamine user based on the # of post office boxes he's rented. He is 1 joke Allen did not procrastinate long to sack up and ship out. Can you imagine he held a position as an engineer in America's military?
Jeez. I wander if anyone told a very experienced tight end that the onside kick was a live ball and if came toward that maybe he should jump on it? Nah probably never was told that...ever. I don't know if you ever coached and maybe V can verify. You talk about it all week long. You work all week long on something. You practice something and then the game comes and the kids do not execute it. Is that really the coaches fault? Or maybe is it the kids fault? Now if you work on something and the kid never gaccomplished what you wanted, then yes the kid should have been replaced and that is the coaches fault.
OK, but I think we all know who the real OC is.
You don't think it would have been a good idea to line up a few more guys 10 yards from the ball? Like I've seen done thousands of time in anticipation of an onside kick?
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Forget Ohio kids, we are not going to beat Ohio State with kids they did not
want from Ohio. Get all of the Miami of Florida kids we can and the
best from Indiana we can get.
I am, too.
165# corners and 215# linebackers have a little tougher time surviving in the Big Ten.
I coach players telling why we were doing things. A good example is getting ready for sectional championship, I changed where our rover dropped and how the corners would cover. My guys always moved to the QBs arm point to get a jump on the ball, I explained if we faced college QB we couldn't do that; since we played high school QBs we could get a jump on the ball. My guys asked what we would do about other routes and I explained [while running reps] the QB never threw to the out in that route combo. If he started throwing that out we would revert back to our original way of covering the routes.
I would break down how to tackle routes based on where it was on the field and where defensive teammates were IE do you tackle a curl on the outside hip or inside hip - was help coming from the corner or safety and LB. Every route had the same breakdown on how to attack it.
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You're blaming one kid? Wow.
Maybe the coaches should've actually had the formation right, rather than some throw away comment they claimed they made, to 'watch for it'. And then afterward blame the player.
Lame.
The COACH(ES) choked. Not the tight end.
I'll bet you right now Cig isn't going to toss guys under the bus when they make a mistake. Nor will he mouth some platitudes about 'we gotta correct some things'. He will actually, 'correct some things' if they happen.
Easy to understand why you lead a state Champion Team.
Reminds me of junior high and high school basketball practice, but in the opposite not great way.
I boxed out a guy on the shot side of the rim on a shot from the side, when I could've taken the guy on the far side. Coach told me I should've had that rebound that skipped across the rim to the far side. He told me more shots go across the rim then come short so I had hustled to the wrong spot.
I was a bit upset that it took until my fourth coach since sixth grade to explain that to me. I did it that way ever since and definitely got more boards. I hadn't figured it out on my own. Coaches shouldn't assume too much, they need to teach dumbnuts like me.
I know DeBoer will call the plays; Sheridan is just a figure head right now.
It's not like Sheridan had all that much time with DeBoer before DeBoer left Indiana. DeBoer wasn't here long.
I figure Sheridan is probably a smarter coach now after more years under DeBoer. Unless he's a moron, and he likely isn't. Clearly DeBoer doesn't think so.
Sheridan wasn't ready to be OC when he was here. It doesn't make him Walt Bell.
He's probably a lot more ready now, And if the head coach overrides his offensive game plan or calls sometimes, at least it's DeBoer overriding now and not Coach Allen.
I figure Sheridan is probably a smarter coach now after more years under DeBoer. Unless he's a moron, and he likely isn't. Clearly DeBoer doesn't think so.
Sheridan wasn't ready to be OC when he was here. It doesn't make him Walt Bell.
He's probably a lot more ready now, And if the head coach overrides his offensive game plan or calls sometimes, at least it's DeBoer overriding now and not Coach Allen.
The Bell Curve never lies.
The elite - the top 2-3% - will almost always prevail against the non-elite teams. The bottom 97% will catch a fluke here or there - maybe weird weather or a flu bug or a big play. But mostly, nearly always, the elites battle each other and stomp the rest.
But … take the 47-48% that are in the upper half but are still non-elite. That vast array of non-elites are much more equal. What can give a team in THAT group an edge on the typical game day against other non-elite teams?
1. Coaching.
2. QB play.
2A. OL play.
3. Rush defense - winning third and short.
3A. Secondary defense - minimal big plays.
These days, the second-tier 47% can get 2 wins by scheduling a Patsy in the bottom half, and will lose 2 to the elite in their conference. The other 8 are “winnable” AND “loseable” - and coaching that produces confident, effective QB’s and corners is the main factor in those 8.
I like our chances to keep Cig’s streak alive.
The elite - the top 2-3% - will almost always prevail against the non-elite teams. The bottom 97% will catch a fluke here or there - maybe weird weather or a flu bug or a big play. But mostly, nearly always, the elites battle each other and stomp the rest.
But … take the 47-48% that are in the upper half but are still non-elite. That vast array of non-elites are much more equal. What can give a team in THAT group an edge on the typical game day against other non-elite teams?
1. Coaching.
2. QB play.
2A. OL play.
3. Rush defense - winning third and short.
3A. Secondary defense - minimal big plays.
These days, the second-tier 47% can get 2 wins by scheduling a Patsy in the bottom half, and will lose 2 to the elite in their conference. The other 8 are “winnable” AND “loseable” - and coaching that produces confident, effective QB’s and corners is the main factor in those 8.
I like our chances to keep Cig’s streak alive.
I hope WR play... Because we should be really stacked.
At times if you put too many guys in the area it creates confusion and indecision as to has the ball. Apparently it still was present as Hendershot for some unknown reason did not go after the ball. I do concur I probably would have gone with all 5 on the front line. But I also was not in practice or in the huddle and do not know what was discussed. I also know that my guys are instructed to not retreat until the ball is past them. That is standard practice.
Yes, hard to imagine..............
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Yes, hard to imagine..............
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Highlighting a highly qualified person that has achieved high levels of success across multiple roles is an interesting way to make your point on Warren. It’s almost like you are either highly prejudice or don’t understand how to intelligently make a point without pandering to the lowest common denominators.Yes, hard to imagine..............
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i'm sure that strikes fear in the hearts of our adversaries. Probably die laughing.Yes, hard to imagine..............
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This ****ing idiot wants to give blockers to kids. He's a loon.
I agree. I don’t think he has delusions. Just hard to recruit to IU and an unknown coach at this level.
JMU guys may or may not be Ohio State level but they do know the system and that should count a lot.
Do we all agree that a system is more important than talent? I'm not saying having talent isn't important but what's the most important of the two? I look at what IU did under Deboer and Womack yet in 2021 with even more veteran talent, how quickly that whole thing fell apart.
So as you stated, the players already knowing the system certainly helps but if the system that talent already understands is also a good one, that's 2 things in our favor already. If the system is no good, then it likely doesn't even matter what talent we have.
Yes, a good system lets you win some games you shouldn't win but talent will overcome system. I hope working hard and a good system lets IU win eight or more wins this year.
Talent will overcome a system? Did you watch IUbball this year?
I know what you mean. I don't think the best system wins every game, but the good system can make players appear more talented. I think the separation in college sports is the OL/DL and the system. The success of the team rests on those 2 lines coupled with the system the coach runs. If you can improve on all 3 of those areas, you can win a lot of games.
Can it get worse than what it has been for the past couple of years? One could argue we didn't have many B10 player to start with. Sunbelt v MAC players at IU perhaps a lateral move. I'll wait and see what happens on the field.
I agree with your points and hope it leads to success this season.
We have played a lot of MAC teams and we've seen players on those teams who were vastly more talented than what we had on our team. We seem to be only taking JMUs best starters and one can surmise they will improve year over year. Think of it as pulling last seasons JMU and IU rosters together and making the best team you can out of it (sans transfers/graduates).
If other talent surpasses a JMU player currently in front of them on the depth chart, it's because that player earned it by matching or surpassing the JMU players effort needed in order to be successful. Its a foundation for change.
Remember when everyone bitched about our oline having no talent? Then they all transferred and went to big name schools. It's just unreal how people just can't see reality.
It's not about where they go. It's about what they do when they get there.
So you think Florida State, Oregon, Miami, and Colorado looked at our o-line tapes for the past few years and all the schools got it wrong? We had talent my guy. We just had terrible coaching for the majority of the time they were here.
