When was American great? I’ll show you...
do you see a common theme here? Not exactly representative of the America we live in or used to live in. It does probably represent the America that Trump wishes America to be.
You with Cuomo or America?
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Of course hyper-patriots are are unhappy about Cuomo's statement, but who on the left is? There's nothing new or radical, let alone shocking about the concept.
Well I never voted for either candidate but I do like a few of Trump's ideas but he too much of a reactionary to be president. I'm always afraid of what he's gonna do next without engaging his brain. I think he can do a lot of damage to America's position in the world by simply withdrawing from agreements that previous presidents have made. Just think if you're the opposition and every president done that.... Nobody would ever trust that America would live up to their agreements.
I don't want to see a trade war but I do think it's time that the US calls China's hand on some of the things they do. I've read too much to know that they don't respect the intellectual property of the US. They say they do but don't do much to enforce the laws pertaining to that.
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Our founders knew that America would evolve so they set up a system where we can amend the constitution and pass laws. We had a civil war that was basically about slavery. BTW, from 1776 to 1865 is not even a 100 yrs. We had slavery the least amount as a country compared to other nations. You and I would probably believe Jim Crow laws were a bad idea. It kept the country divided on racial lines. I do think that things are better now then they were in the past. Black unemployment is dropping. This means blacks are participating in this growing economy. And the truth is most blacks hate illegals flooding into this country. If you are black an are trying to move up in this economy you have to start somewhere at the bottom. The illegals coming in are driving wages down in entry level jobs. If you are black you aren't going to like that, and it has nothing to do with racism. It's about opportunity. I don't know how you can say only white men have had it good. Every time a group comes into this country they start at the bottom. The Irish,Germans,Italians, and other white people had to start at the bottom too. It's the price of freedom. You come here and get to work. With the sweat of your brow you and your family has a chance at a better life.
VanPastorMan
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Take for instance the women's vote. Most of the world didn't have women vote in elections if they had them. But because of political and societal evolution our constitution made a way for the people to vote it in. And that is what we did. We also voted to make Liquor illegal. But then we changed our mind and repealed the 18th amendment with the 21st. See, our system works.
It was stupid to say. What you say is, America has never been as great as it could have been, if only at some point racism, marginalization of women, and lack of compassion for the downtrodden had all been relegated to the dustbin of history.
But that's a mouthful, not a soundbite.
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2020 is a long way away, but I currently have my eye on Kirsten Gillibrand. There will be lots of options, though. I'll make decisions when I have to.
Gillibrand is easy to keep an eye on, because out of all the potentials, she's the one that is most obviously, definitely, without a doubt, running. She's been working on her 2020 campaign since at least November 9, 2016.
I still think the right route for the Dems is a blue collar Midwest guy. But the party doesn't seem to be leaning that direction at the moment.
It'll be a wide open race.....going to be a huge field.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...where-do-centrist-democrats-turn-in-2020.html
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...where-do-centrist-democrats-turn-in-2020.html
Speaking as just one Democrat, Biden isn't in keeping with the times. I think he'd get slaughtered, and since I think he'd think that, I think he won't run.
That said, I loves me some Joe Biden.
I can't decide. Those are both fabulous. The Onion hit Joe Biden out of the park every single time it touched him. And I still like Joe Biden. Just like I think The Onion does.
I suspect Joe himself would laugh at each of those articles.
The Onion version of Biden is awesome! “Diamond Joe”!!!
It’s funny, even my conservative friends love Biden. Let’s face it...he’s just a great guy!
It’s funny, even my conservative friends love Biden. Let’s face it...he’s just a great guy!
When was American great? I’ll show you...
One of these guys was convinced that this used to be a hell-uv-a good country. This can't possibly be the same "you can't handle the truth" guy who said that could it?
0l' George Hanson in the movie was stressing his theory right up until the time those cowardly good ol' southern gentlemen executed their own version of a "code red" by going yard with Louisville Sluggers upside his melon.Well, then, going by the OP’s standards Trump isn’t with America.
Como himself likely regrets what he said. Hell, it made Stephen Colbert cringe. Not a good soundbite at all.
Can neither one of you spell "slight"? Jeez. What scholars.
Well, which Cuomo statement do you agree with now that he's reversed himself 180 degrees. Yesterday you agreed with him and defended his position - some of you, but no leftis condemned him. Today? You'll agree with him also because he's a leftie and lefties agree with anything their comrades do.
Andrew Cuomo Backpedals: ‘America Has Always Been Great’
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New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo walked back his claim that the United States “was never that great” in a Friday conference call, describing the comments as “inartful” and asserting that he believes the opposite of what he said.
The embattled New York state Governor has faced mass public backlash after deriding President Donald Trump’s “Make America Great Again” message. “We’re not going to make America great again,” he said during a speech in New York City. “It was never that great.”
“The expression I used the other day was inartful, so I want to be very clear,” Cuomo told press on Friday’s call. “Of course America is great, and of course America has always been great.”
Cuomo seemed to become flustered when CBS News political reporter Grace Segers asked him about Trump daring him to make a run at the oval office in 2020. “Let me catch my breath for a minute before you goad me with your question,” he said, eventually admitting that he has “no plans to run for president.”
Still, he had strong words for the commander-in-chief. Cuomo called Trump “vindictive and petty and small,” declaring “as governor of New York, I believe it’s my role to point out and fight this president and fight his agenda. It hurts New Yorkers,”
“He wants to put his personal values above the law of the land,” he concluded. “We didn’t elect a king, we elected a president. And he has to get his ego in check and remember he was an elected servant of the people.”
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"An alternative strategy for those who most fear a Bernie Sanders nomination would be to lend support to a noncentrist candidate who represents something to the right of democratic socialism. The most obvious possibilities include those like Booker and Gillibrand who may be tacking left but who have spent some time in party circles where the current progressive wave has aroused at best mixed enthusiasm. Another option would be to give Warren another long look. She is, after all, closely associated with the “New Brandeis” movement of antitrust activists who prefer reforming capitalism to restore its competitive elements to any socialistic reliance on government in areas beyond basic public services".
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those who fear Bernie the most, would be big healthcare and Wall St.
as for Warren being an "antitrust activist", that would put her in the cross hairs of Comcast and AT&T (MSNBC, NBC, CNBC, CNN), who's entire business models are dependent on being unregulated monopolies, duopolies, and in a few cases oligopolies, who both used their ownership of cable news to fight Bernie with all their might in favor of on the take Hilary, once Bernie looked like an actual threat. (i thought Chris Mathews was going to start wearing a "vote Hilary-screw Bernie" button during his show).
same with big healthcare, which also is a de facto monopoly in practice.
as for "democratic socialism", that's what we've all had in the US our entire lives.
politicians want to define 12 yrs of public supported school as pure democracy, and 13 yrs of it as pure communism.
i would love to see Bernie define and put some parameters on his free college thing to make his candidacy more viable, but don't fail to see the hypocrisy in labeling govt funded advanced education as socialistic or communistic, while not with 12 grades of it.
as for healthcare coverage that is doled out by your employer, is that capitalist socialism?
on a side note, what is a "centrist".
to me, a "centrist" defines someone incapable of thinking or decision making for themselves, so they split the difference of those doing the thinking for them.
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A centrist means that you generally like where things are.....and don't desire drastic changes in either direction. You also prefer bipartisan compromises to large issues...rather than partisan cram downs. For me...it also means setting tax policy that comes close to covering the bill for your spending policy. The current regime has failed laughably at that last point.
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Thank you, guy named Stuffshot. I will be more vigilant over my iOS autocorrects.
sorry, that's not what "centrist" means.
it means exactly what i said it means above.
embracing status quo and bi partisanship may be a side effect of splitting the difference between other's views, but it isn't the same as.
Don’t have a clue what he said. I’d read his posts if he didn’t post like a grammar challenged teenage bonehead twit on Twitter. He might even have posted something worth reading, but very few people are willing to risk a headache trying to decipher those posts.
Yes, Ladobossiergreentree...Andrew Cuomo just DESPISES America!!! God, grow up.
Well, which Cuomo statement do you agree with now that he's reversed himself 180 degrees. Yesterday you agreed with him and defended his position - some of you, but no leftis condemned him. Today? You'll agree with him also because he's a leftie and lefties agree with anything their comrades do.
Andrew Cuomo Backpedals: ‘America Has Always Been Great’
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AP Photo/Andrew Harnik
17 Aug 20181,168
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo walked back his claim that the United States “was never that great” in a Friday conference call, describing the comments as “inartful” and asserting that he believes the opposite of what he said.
The embattled New York state Governor has faced mass public backlash after deriding President Donald Trump’s “Make America Great Again” message. “We’re not going to make America great again,” he said during a speech in New York City. “It was never that great.”
“The expression I used the other day was inartful, so I want to be very clear,” Cuomo told press on Friday’s call. “Of course America is great, and of course America has always been great.”
Cuomo seemed to become flustered when CBS News political reporter Grace Segers asked him about Trump daring him to make a run at the oval office in 2020. “Let me catch my breath for a minute before you goad me with your question,” he said, eventually admitting that he has “no plans to run for president.”
Still, he had strong words for the commander-in-chief. Cuomo called Trump “vindictive and petty and small,” declaring “as governor of New York, I believe it’s my role to point out and fight this president and fight his agenda. It hurts New Yorkers,”
“He wants to put his personal values above the law of the land,” he concluded. “We didn’t elect a king, we elected a president. And he has to get his ego in check and remember he was an elected servant of the people.”
You guys should really try out the ignore function. My online time is so much more enjoyable since implementing it.Yes, Ladobossiergreentree...Andrew Cuomo just DESPISES America!!! God, grow up.
I consider the ignore function sort of cowardly. I like to actively ignore instead.
I used to feel the same way. Exactly. Thought it was cowardly. But now I realize it's just convenient. These are people I wanted to ignore anyway, so now rivals does it for me.
I have ignored people who never have anything worthwhile to say...like Lucy and Iwannalargefarva or whatever it’s name is. Other than that, I like reading people’s posts. I even enjoy reading Aloha’s posts.
