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Would someone explain the science behind this?

It's never "in a very limited sense". I knew this shit would happen once we decided that I have to give up my liberty and personal responsibility over wearing a seat belt, because I MIGHT fly through the wind shield in an accident and harm someone else. OR I might require extra expense for medical care causing other people's insurance cost to go up.
I would like to see a comprehensive list, from the very beginning, of every "in a very limited sense" law that has taken away MUCH more than the very limited intent, of each specific law.
I think it would show that TODAY we are at the inflection point where generations of liberal BS and conservative's giving just "one more inch", totally ruin the greatest nation ever born to this earth. And we have set and allowed "in very limited sense" kill everyone of us.
Lib's, stop helping, it's killing us!

I recall Patrick Henry, give me no seatbelts or give me death. Stirring speech.
 
Well, he didn't have to deal with 5-minute shower restrictions, thermostats set by the government at 77 for summer and 62 for winter and caloric limits set at 1,400 per day for adults.
It is true, I saw that government bureaucrat slap that beer out of your hand for going over 1400 calories.

I get people hating water restrictions but look at Lake Powell and Lake Meade. Major parts of the country have critical problems.

The more people exist, the harder it is to swing one's elbows without hitting someone else.
 
It is true, I saw that government bureaucrat slap that beer out of your hand for going over 1400 calories.

I get people hating water restrictions but look at Lake Powell and Lake Meade. Major parts of the country have critical problems.

The more people exist, the harder it is to swing one's elbows without hitting someone else.

If they want to start a revolution all they have to do is start slapping beers out of hands.

I had to go out and get two different types of Oktoberfest beers after that crazy Bengals victory. If the football gods finally smiled on the Bengals it portends good things for the Hoosiers against stupid UC this coming Saturday. IU 35-20.
 
If they want to start a revolution all they have to do is start slapping beers out of hands.

I had to go out and get two different types of Oktoberfest beers after that crazy Bengals victory. If the football gods finally smiled on the Bengals it portends good things for the Hoosiers against stupid UC this coming Saturday. IU 35-20.
I thought we had blown the game, we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory just to have Minnesota put it back. After the recent Reds collapse, it was great. I thought the Reds had that second wildcard wrapped up
 
It's never "in a very limited sense". I knew this shit would happen once we decided that I have to give up my liberty and personal responsibility over wearing a seat belt, because I MIGHT fly through the wind shield in an accident and harm someone else. OR I might require extra expense for medical care causing other people's insurance cost to go up.
I would like to see a comprehensive list, from the very beginning, of every "in a very limited sense" law that has taken away MUCH more than the very limited intent, of each specific law.
I think it would show that TODAY we are at the inflection point where generations of liberal BS and conservative's giving just "one more inch", totally ruin the greatest nation ever born to this earth. And we have set and allowed "in very limited sense" kill everyone of us.
Lib's, stop helping, it's killing us!
Screw covid…you’ve got the vapors.
 
I thought we had blown the game, we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory just to have Minnesota put it back. After the recent Reds collapse, it was great. I thought the Reds had that second wildcard wrapped up

If I were a Vikings fan I might be a tad upset with that "fumble" call. Those always go against the Bengals and the Hoosiers.

Reds need to look in the MLB rule book, where it says you're required to have a bullpen and it's against league policy to have four batters in a line-up hitting under .200.
 
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If I were a Vikings fan I might be a tad upset with that "fumble" call. Those always go against the Bengals and the Hoosiers.

Reds need to look in the MLB rule book, where it says you're required to have a bullpen and it's against league policy to have four batters in a line-up hitting under .200.
I lost the coverage before that fumble so I was back to game tracker. But I saw that the Minnesota people tweeting were upset.

I thought the trades would help the bullpen, alas, no. The batting average we knew would be a problem.
 
If they want to start a revolution all they have to do is start slapping beers out of hands.

I had to go out and get two different types of Oktoberfest beers after that crazy Bengals victory. If the football gods finally smiled on the Bengals it portends good things for the Hoosiers against stupid UC this coming Saturday. IU 35-20.


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I take the vaccine because it protects me. Having it on board permits me to live more or less normally. If my vaccine protects you, that’s a bonus, but it’s not the primary reason I took it. My granddaughter is not vaxed and she attends in person school, rides a bus, etc. i don’t alter my behavior around her, don’t wear a mask, don’t make her wear a mask, etc. I’m perfectly comfortable around her because I am vaxed. I’m very comfortable going places and being around people because I am vaxed. I don’t understand why more people don’t feel similarly. I don’t understand why Biden went the direction he went with his vaccine speech. That was wrong on many levels.
Well of course I took the vaccine to protect myself BUT I also took it to protect other people. I'd hate to think that I infected someone and they ended up dying. You can say "Well they chose not to get vaccinated" and that is true in some cases but the vaccine is not available to all. To me the people that refuse even to consider getting vaccinated are mostly self centered and don't care if they infect someone else. I have a 17 month old granddaughter... we are very careful before we head there to visit (TX) because we sure don't want to transmit it to her.
 


Just goes to show how stupid "experts" are-the goof gives example after example of STATE & LOCAL mandates being OK, states SPECIFICALLY that The Const DOES NOT include this in the enumerated powers, and yet he STILL concludes a federal mandate via an unconstitutional Executive Order will be allowed by the Supreme Court.

He must live in Bizarro World....This is why our legal system is so effed up.

While any mandate requiring THIS vax is NOT supported by the science, a mandate legislated by Congress via normal channels would be constitutional, if we analyze it logically and not with prejudice based on politics.

Executive orders-- intended to take care of minor details of legislation, like naming post office buildings or declaring National Hot Dog Day-- have come to be grossly abused since BO avoided the wishes of Congress on immigration matters. Trump followed suit (no pun intended), and now The Chinese Ambassador to the US is starting the cycle again with his own dictatorial moves.

Biden admitted himself that his moves were "probably unconstitutional."...Having sworn to uphold the Constitution, isn't that cause for impeachment by his own admission?
 
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Well of course I took the vaccine to protect myself BUT I also took it to protect other people. I'd hate to think that I infected someone and they ended up dying. You can say "Well they chose not to get vaccinated" and that is true in some cases but the vaccine is not available to all. To me the people that refuse even to consider getting vaccinated are mostly self centered and don't care if they infect someone else. I have a 17 month old granddaughter... we are very careful before we head there to visit (TX) because we sure don't want to transmit it to her.
i get annual flu shots, I got both the old and new versions of shingles shots, I got the pneumonia shot, i get tetanus shots, I took both polio vaccines, I got the COVID shots, and my PCP even gave me childhood disease booster because im old. I can say 100% of the time I took those to protect me. As I said, protecting others is a nice bonus, but that isn’t part of my calculus. I think thinking about COVID and dying is the way they want us to think, but I don’t go there. Somebody posted a link where making COVID seem more scary was a deliberate effort. I’ve thought that for more than a year now.
 
i get annual flu shots, I got both the old and new versions of shingles shots, I got the pneumonia shot, i get tetanus shots, I took both polio vaccines, I got the COVID shots, and my PCP even gave me childhood disease booster because im old. I can say 100% of the time I took those to protect me. As I said, protecting others is a nice bonus, but that isn’t part of my calculus. I think thinking about COVID and dying is the way they want us to think, but I don’t go there. Somebody posted a link where making COVID seem more scary was a deliberate effort. I’ve thought that for more than a year now.
There's old and new versions of the shingles shots? I did not know that. How long have the new ones been out? I got mine about 3 years ago, and I do NOT want to get shingles. My mom had it, and it was terrible.
 
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There's old and new versions of the shingles shots? I did not know that. How long have the new ones been out? I got mine about 3 years ago, and I do NOT want to get shingles. My mom had it, and it was terrible.
I think you have the new one. The old version probably 10+ years ago.
 
Well of course I took the vaccine to protect myself BUT I also took it to protect other people. I'd hate to think that I infected someone and they ended up dying.

Well that's because you are a bleeding heart liberal/socialist/commie.
 
There's old and new versions of the shingles shots? I did not know that. How long have the new ones been out? I got mine about 3 years ago, and I do NOT want to get shingles. My mom had it, and it was terrible.
I would guess that you have the new one.., it's a lot more effective than the old one ... 90% vs 50% if I recall correctly. Sure as heck made my arm sore.
 
As long as you don't know if you killed anyone then good to go. Tell us about how you are pro life again.

I have been reading World War 2 at Sea. The author just discussed early 42 where the Germans sent numerous Uboats to the US east coast and they scored big. Even though there were blackout laws, locals refused to enforce it. Submarines out to see easily could spot ships backlit by lights.

I am sure those people never realized they led to ships being sunk and people dying. But I am not sure it made it right, even if I am sure they would argue having their lights on was a right.

The Germans were amazed.
 
I have been reading World War 2 at Sea. The author just discussed early 42 where the Germans sent numerous Uboats to the US east coast and they scored big. Even though there were blackout laws, locals refused to enforce it. Submarines out to see easily could spot ships backlit by lights.

I am sure those people never realized they led to ships being sunk and people dying. But I am not sure it made it right, even if I am sure they would argue having their lights on was a right.

The Germans were amazed.
That’s different from the book I read about the same events. I read that we didn’t order blackouts until the Germans began to pick off coastal shipping. In 1942, we were totally unprepared for war. Coastal blackouts was a part of that.
 
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I have been reading World War 2 at Sea. The author just discussed early 42 where the Germans sent numerous Uboats to the US east coast and they scored big. Even though there were blackout laws, locals refused to enforce it. Submarines out to see easily could spot ships backlit by lights.

I am sure those people never realized they led to ships being sunk and people dying. But I am not sure it made it right, even if I am sure they would argue having their lights on was a right.

The Germans were amazed.

I guess at least being self centered isn't a new thing..
 
That’s different from the book I read about the same events. I read that we didn’t order blackouts until the Germans began to pick off coastal shipping. In 1942, we were totally unprepared for war. Coastal blackouts was a part of that.
Maybe I will find other info, first look had this from the Wiki:

Along the Atlantic coast, the lack of a coastal blackout served to silhouette Allied shipping and thus expose them to German submarine attack. Coastal communities resisted the imposition of a blackout for amenity reasons, citing potential damage to tourism. The result was a disastrous loss of shipping, dubbed by German submariners as the "Second Happy Time".[13] Blackouts were held in cities, and along the coastal areas long after any enemy threat existed; the primary purpose was psychological motivation of the civilian population which saw blackouts as a patriotic duty.


One thing I see elsewhere of interest, Seattle began blackout drills in March of 41. That is planning.
 
Maybe I will find other info, first look had this from the Wiki:

Along the Atlantic coast, the lack of a coastal blackout served to silhouette Allied shipping and thus expose them to German submarine attack. Coastal communities resisted the imposition of a blackout for amenity reasons, citing potential damage to tourism. The result was a disastrous loss of shipping, dubbed by German submariners as the "Second Happy Time".[13] Blackouts were held in cities, and along the coastal areas long after any enemy threat existed; the primary purpose was psychological motivation of the civilian population which saw blackouts as a patriotic duty.


One thing I see elsewhere of interest, Seattle began blackout drills in March of 41. That is planning.
We also had very limited defense to the costal slaughter. U boats would operate on the surface in daylight starting in Januray 1942 and we had few air, sea, or coastal assets to counter them during January, February, or March. We could only defend small areas leaving most of the coast undefended.

The navy did not order a blackout until April. Before that blackouts were haphazard with haphazard complance. I think the tourism issue was valid. That is different from the individual vaccine resistance.

The west coast was totally different in every way imaginable, including the internment. Locals would throw rocks at street lights to knock them out.

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i get annual flu shots, I got both the old and new versions of shingles shots, I got the pneumonia shot, i get tetanus shots, I took both polio vaccines, I got the COVID shots, and my PCP even gave me childhood disease booster because im old. I can say 100% of the time I took those to protect me. As I said, protecting others is a nice bonus, but that isn’t part of my calculus. I think thinking about COVID and dying is the way they want us to think, but I don’t go there. Somebody posted a link where making COVID seem more scary was a deliberate effort. I’ve thought that for more than a year now.

You are right to think that because the reality is, no matter how bad this virus may be, they consistently are caught being untruthful about it.
 
Maybe I will find other info, first look had this from the Wiki:

Along the Atlantic coast, the lack of a coastal blackout served to silhouette Allied shipping and thus expose them to German submarine attack. Coastal communities resisted the imposition of a blackout for amenity reasons, citing potential damage to tourism. The result was a disastrous loss of shipping, dubbed by German submariners as the "Second Happy Time".[13] Blackouts were held in cities, and along the coastal areas long after any enemy threat existed; the primary purpose was psychological motivation of the civilian population which saw blackouts as a patriotic duty.


One thing I see elsewhere of interest, Seattle began blackout drills in March of 41. That is planning.
I find it interesting that the WW II blackouts led to two opposite reactions at different times that both appear wrong, and each reaction motivated by a concern other than the effectiveness of the blackout.

Is that going on today with COVID, masks, and vaccines?
 
I find it interesting that the WW II blackouts led to two opposite reactions at different times that both appear wrong, and each reaction motivated by a concern other than the effectiveness of the blackout.

Is that going on today with COVID, masks, and vaccines?
Marv uses his broad knowledge of WWII history to dramatize his posts. I call it "Pearl (Harbor) Clutching."
 
Marv uses his broad knowledge of WWII history to dramatize his posts. I call it "Pearl (Harbor) Clutching."
I think in this situation that this is a really interesting comparison, given the opposite reactions at the beginning and at the end.
 
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