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Nice!
Do we have any legit shot at Curry?
Keep in mind, not all CB picks are the same. He made a CB pick with confidence of 8 for Hoover, and a CB pick with confidence of 4 for Cooper.Whenever Wiltfong picks a CB I am very confident that it will happen.
And Hoover has committed to IU....... more to come, LEO !Keep in mind, not all CB picks are the same. He made a CB pick with confidence of 8 for Hoover, and a CB pick with confidence of 4 for Cooper.
From his offer sheet he would be a good pickup.We've got CB pix for Carter Smith too(I think he's committing tommorrow), but...how in the HELL can he only be a 5.5 on Rivals? He has offers from EVERYone, & is a high 3* on TOS.
Perhaps they haven't had a chance to see him in person and have given him a modest rating with the expectation of correcting it in the future. He does have an impressive offer list.We've got CB pix for Carter Smith too(I think he's committing tommorrow), but...how in the HELL can he only be a 5.5 on Rivals? He has offers from EVERYone, & is a high 3* on TOS.
OL is almost always a crapshoot just because you're so often dealing with outliers all across the country. There are only so many 6'5" 275 lb kids running around so it's hard to evaluate when they're not lining up against similar sized kids each week.I think OL ratings tend to not be as accurate.
Seems like a lot of our best OL were the ones rated the lowest.
In that instance they shouldn't assign any ranking until they evauate him. Imo, anyway.Perhaps they haven't had a chance to see him in person and have given him a modest rating with the expectation of correcting it in the future. He does have an impressive offer list.
In that instance they shouldn't assign any ranking until they evauate him. Imo, anyway.
It's not a big deal ultimately on the field, but it matters in certain circles, otherwise there wouldn't be any player & team recruiting class rankings.It could be a old rating as well.
The ratings will get a chance to be revised a couple times before signing day, for those that care.
It's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.
It's not a big deal ultimately on the field, but it matters in certain circles, otherwise there wouldn't be any player & team recruiting class rankings.
Ask the players & coaches if they care about rankings. I bet you my house they do for the most part--players especially. A lot of coaches might say they don't care, but they do. They all see the same rankings we do. That doesn't mean they select players based upon their ranking, but I can guarandamntee of the players they select they would prefer they be ranked as highly as possible. It all has to do with the perception of the program--it's part of success & reputation to recruit well. Not to mention there are politics involved in these rankings. Why do you think the mysterious bumps & dumps happen after a player commits someplace? Those schools have pull. One way or the other.It matters in fan circles that go on websites like this.
Coaches don't base offers on them and players don't pick teams based on how many four and five star kids a team has.
Ask the players & coaches if they care about rankings. I bet you my house they do for the most part--players especially. A lot of coaches might say they don't care, but they do. They all see the same rankings we do. That doesn't mean they select players based upon their ranking, but I can guarandamntee of the players they select they would prefer they be ranked as highly as possible. It all has to do with the perception of the program--it's part of success & reputation to recruit well. Not to mention there are politics involved in these rankings. Why do you think the mysterious bumps & dumps happen after a player commits someplace? Those schools have pull. One way or the other.
Again--if it doesn't matter, then why rank them? Why not just base the rankings entirely off of offer lists? & also again, if they haven't seen a player for over a year, then they should not assign any ranking to the player. That's just common sense. We can go 'round & 'round & keep saying the same things over & over again, but the bottom line is--I know it's somehow cool for some to pretend to they don't care about the rankkings, but I'm not stupid. I know that a lot of them do. Not saying you do, or anyone specifically, but they are thwre for reasons beyond fan entertainment. & of course they aren't the be all end all, or decide who gets offered-but coaches in general do care, & would prefer their kids be ranked well as opposed to not, but of course it's not what determines ofers.I can guarantee you 100% that Tom Allen isn't on rivals looking up Carter Smith's rating saying, man, he should be a 5.7 rated 3 star.
These coaches are looking at film and seeing if they will fit their system. They are bringing them on campus and seeing if they will fit with the culture. I will guarantee you that if a 5 star and a high 3 star come on a visit at the same time and the 3 star fits our team and culture and the 5 star is all about himself, we're passing on the 5 star and taking the 3 star every time.
The rankings are cool for fans and to building excitement for the fanbase, but they don't do anything once they get on campus. Remember David Kenney? How about Tim Gardner or Dominique Booth? More recently Rashawn Williams was a 4 star that didn't pan out for us.
Offer lists are generally a better indicator for a player to me. A player with offers from Auburn and Florida probably has a higher ceiling than a player with offers from Boston College or the MAC.
And like I said before, these kids hadn't been seen in person for over a year, so these rankings should be taken with a grain of salt. Kids have improved since then, so does it really matter in the first place?
Again--if it doesn't matter, then why rank them? Why not just base the rankings entirely off of offer lists? & also again, if they haven't seen a player for over a year, then they should not assign any ranking to the player. That's just common sense. We can go 'round & 'round & keep saying the same things over & over again, but the bottom line is--I know it's somehow cool for some to pretend to they don't care about the rankkings, but I'm not stupid. I know that a lot of them do. Not saying you do, or anyone specifically, but they are thwre for reasons beyond fan entertainment. & of course they aren't the be all end all, or decide who gets offered-but coaches in general do care, & would prefer their kids be ranked well as opposed to not, but of course it's not what determines ofers.
As I said twice already--if they have reason to not know how to properly rank a kid--then DON'T RANK THEM!! That's already what they do when they haven't evaluated a player, so...what gives? & if it's a case that they evaluated a previously & he's clearly a different player worthy of a different ranking then I'm sure there are ways to affect that change rather than going with an old, obsolete ranking.Rivals is a business that has been rating kids for as long as its been around. Why wouldn't they rate kid? It's there business model. It's not there fault recruiting got shut down for a entire year. They did the best they could, just like everyone else in the industry. You act like they had some say in what was going on in the world. They couldn't go out and scout kids.
Did you forget what was going on last year?
As I said twice already--if they have reason to not know how to properly rank a kid--then DON'T RANK THEM!! That's already what they do when they haven't evaluated a player, so...what gives? & if it's a case that they evaluated a previously & he's clearly a different player worthy of a different ranking then I'm sure there are ways to affect that change rather than going with an old, obsolete ranking.
No, not a BIG deal, but that goes both ways--why not do it right, or better? That applies to...every endeavor in life(imo). This is what they do--this is their specialty. Why not try to do it better & more accurately? How much more effort would it take? That's just my philosophy though, trying to be a perfectionist, apparently.I've already pointed out that there will be a couple ranking changes before signing day, so this really isn't a big deal in the first place.
No, not a BIG deal, but why not do it right, or better? That applies to...every endeavor in life(imo). This is what they do--this is their specialty. Why not try to do it better & more accurately? How much more effort would it take? That's just my philosophy though, apparently.
? You yourself said he should a be a 5.7? & that his ranking will change everntually--did you not say that? There are some instances in which that is the case(opinions varying). I don't believe this is one of them.This isn't an exact science though.
Who says they are wrong? It's their opinion vs yours. They thought he deserved a three star. Also, most of Carter Smith's big offers came at the end of March, so a little context is needed here.
It's not like he's had them for a year.
? You yourself said he should a be a 5.7? & that his ranking will change everntually--did you not say that? There are some instances in which that is the case(opinions varying). I don't believe this is one of them.
With Rashawn Williams, wasn’t that due to some academic work that needed to be sorted through, thus the JUCO route?The rankings are cool for fans and to building excitement for the fanbase, but they don't do anything once they get on campus. Remember David Kenney? How about Tim Gardner or Dominique Booth? More recently Rashawn Williams was a 4 star that didn't pan out for us.
Offer lists are generally a better indicator for a player to me. A player with offers from Auburn and Florida probably has a higher ceiling than a player with offers from Boston College or the MAC.
And like I said before, these kids hadn't been seen in person for over a year, so these rankings should be taken with a grain of salt. Kids have improved since then, so does it really matter in the first place?
These coaches are looking at film and seeing if they will fit their system. They are bringing them on campus and seeing if they will fit with the culture. I will guarantee you that if a 5 star and a high 3 star come on a visit at the same time and the 3 star fits our team and culture and the 5 star is all about himself, we're passing on the 5 star and taking the 3 star every time.
With Rashawn Williams, wasn’t that due to some academic work that needed to be sorted through, thus the JUCO route?
Yes - knew that he was here for a semester. .He was already here, redshirted and then transfered out to a juco.
He was a qualifier out of high school.
In all reality, college recruiting for most sports is a lot about the players marketing themselves now (typically through a paid recruiting service). Some players get “found” but many, especially in a sport like football without a robust club/aau system reach out to coaches with their own highlight tapes, or their HS coach makes calls on their behalf, or they go to camps at the colleges they are interested in.A lot of it is probably just a matter of getting the attention of the recruiting services. If you play for a big school, a school that has a lot of top players or play against stronger competition, then your chances of being found are likely greater.