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IU has always treated basketball as the piller sport in the Big Ten while the rest of the conference understands that football is the top dog.

Given the decades of neglect that the Administration has shown to football & the B10's postion of sticking the historically weakest team in the toughest football sub-conferrence, there is little chance of us ever getting over the hump. OSU, Michigan, Penn State and MSU alone present a challenge which will never be overcome ie. a successful turn around is reaching the middle of the conference pack. Ugh..
Leaving the Big Ten and joining the ACC should be considered for the following reasons:

- It is more of a BB conference then a FB conference
- The ACC has a good compliment of sports
- It would help FB recruiting; it would allow us to offer southern kids a chance to play closer to home & give northern kids a chance to play in a more southern conference
- Gives us a fresh start in FB. No years of losing history playing the same teams.
- Logistically, with the addition of Louisville & ND, it is not a streach.
- The ACC has its own TV network. Eventually, the TV money will be there.
- We could still schedule Purdue as non-conference games.
- The BB riveral's would be just as good if not better - UNC, Duke, NC State etc..
- With schools repositioning themselves all over the country, leaving the B10 would not be that big a deal..
 
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IUFANMI said:
IU has always treated basketball as the piller sport in the Big Ten while the rest of the conference understands that football is the top dog.

Given the decades of neglect that the Administration has shown to football & the B10's postion of sticking the historically weakest team in the toughest football sub-conferrence, there is little chance of us ever getting over the hump. OSU, Michigan, Penn State and MSU alone present a challenge which will never be overcome ie. a successful turn around is reaching the middle of the conference pack. Ugh..
Leaving the Big Ten and joining the ACC should be considered for the following reasons:

- It is more of a BB conference then a FB conference
- The ACC has a good compliment of sports
- It would help FB recruiting; it would allow us to offer southern kids a chance to play closer to home & give northern kids a chance to play in a more southern conference
- Gives us a fresh start in FB. No years of losing history playing the same teams.
- Logistically, with the addition of Louisville & ND, it is not a streach.
- The ACC has its own TV network. Eventually, the TV money will be there.
- We could still schedule Purdue as non-conference games.
- The BB riveral's would be just as good if not better - UNC, Duke, NC State etc..
- With schools repositioning themselves all over the country, leaving the B10 would not be that big a deal..
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As much as I hate to think about it, I tend to agree. When IU inexplicably agreed to the realignment in football I was hopeful that it was based on the promised addition of two eastern schools in one or two years moving IU into the west where it stood a chance of being competitive. That was evidently not the case and now we are probably screwed permanently.

If Maryland, Rutgers, and PSU are now our "rivals" I really don't see how changing conferences is such a historical violation. The ACC really is a better fit for us athletically at this point. If they would take us, why not? I would add that it would also be beneficial for our baseball program and our women's sports would be more competitive as well.
 
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oldcougar77 said:
As much as I hate to think about it, I tend to agree. When IU inexplicably agreed to the realignment in football I was hopeful that it was based on the promised addition of two eastern schools in one or two years moving IU into the west where it stood a chance of being competitive. That was evidently not the case and now we are probably screwed permanently.

If Maryland, Rutgers, and PSU are now our "rivals" I really don't see how changing conferences is such a historical violation. The ACC really is a better fit for us athletically at this point. If they would take us, why not? I would add that it would also be beneficial for our baseball program and our women's sports would be more competitive as well.
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IU would never leave the Big Ten voluntarily. Never. It's not remotely a possibility.
 
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Iudanapoint said:
IU would never leave the Big Ten voluntarily. Never. It's not remotely a possibility.
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I think you are probably correct about that. More wishful thinking on my part than reality.

In general, I think Fred Glass has been good for IU athletics but agreeing to the football realignment that placed us in our current division at a time when we were finally making a commitment to football was a real head-scratcher for me. He needed his ass kicked for that if he had any control over the decision whatsoever. Trying to build a winning program when you are effectively guaranteed four conference losses in your division each year is like trying to scale a skyscraper with nothing but your bare hands.
 
Fred Glass has been a second tier AD since he's been at IU. We should have spent big money and gone for someone with more athletic experience. Many years ago, we had the chance to hire a relatively inexperienced AD named Tom Jurich. Under Jurich, U of L has expanded its athletic program by leaps and bounds. We need to boot Glass and find the next Jurich.
 
oldcougar77 said:
As much as I hate to think about it, I tend to agree. When IU inexplicably agreed to the realignment in football I was hopeful that it was based on the promised addition of two eastern schools in one or two years moving IU into the west where it stood a chance of being competitive. That was evidently not the case and now we are probably screwed permanently.

If Maryland, Rutgers, and PSU are now our "rivals" I really don't see how changing conferences is such a historical violation. The ACC really is a better fit for us athletically at this point. If they would take us, why not? I would add that it would also be beneficial for our baseball program and our women's sports would be more competitive as well.
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I think we would fit in in the Big 12 because all of there teams has good offenses but can't play any defense so we would fit right in
 
And Jurich has seemingly turned a blind eye to a lot of shenanigans and improprieties that may end up costing his school some serious penalties and maybe his job. If the price of success is slime like Petrino and Pitino running your marquee programs and making a complete mockery of the concept of student-athlete, then no thanks. I don't like feeling like I need to take a shower every time I watch my team play. That was the case with the thugs Sampson brought here, even though the guy was a terrific basketball coach and easily the best coach in either of our headline programs in the past 15 years.

I'm an alum first, and a fan second. I'm proud of our history of players and coaches being expected to do things the right way. While we aren't perfect in that regard, we have always made the effort to remove players and coaches who don't respect that. I'm not sure Jurich gets or cares about that side of college athletics.
 
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oldcougar77 said:
I think you are probably correct about that. More wishful thinking on my part than reality.

In general, I think Fred Glass has been good for IU athletics but agreeing to the football realignment that placed us in our current division at a time when we were finally making a commitment to football was a real head-scratcher for me. He needed his ass kicked for that if he had any control over the decision whatsoever. Trying to build a winning program when you are effectively guaranteed four conference losses in your division each year is like trying to scale a skyscraper with nothing but your bare hands.
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It's not ideal, that's for sure, but nothing lasts forever. I wouldn't be surprised if they realign in the near future due to either expansion or a desire for greater competitive balance.
 
Drop Football and just play Basketball and Baseball and Soccer as major sports.
 
Marquette doesn't have a football team. But it has won National Title in basketball.
 
People are not going to IU Football games to see them lose every year. Even the Cubs are good now. But not IU Football.
 
IUFANMI said:
IU has always treated basketball as the piller sport in the Big Ten while the rest of the conference understands that football is the top dog.

Given the decades of neglect that the Administration has shown to football & the B10's postion of sticking the historically weakest team in the toughest football sub-conferrence, there is little chance of us ever getting over the hump. OSU, Michigan, Penn State and MSU alone present a challenge which will never be overcome ie. a successful turn around is reaching the middle of the conference pack. Ugh..
Leaving the Big Ten and joining the ACC should be considered for the following reasons:

- It is more of a BB conference then a FB conference
- The ACC has a good compliment of sports
- It would help FB recruiting; it would allow us to offer southern kids a chance to play closer to home & give northern kids a chance to play in a more southern conference
- Gives us a fresh start in FB. No years of losing history playing the same teams.
- Logistically, with the addition of Louisville & ND, it is not a streach.
- The ACC has its own TV network. Eventually, the TV money will be there.
- We could still schedule Purdue as non-conference games.
- The BB riveral's would be just as good if not better - UNC, Duke, NC State etc..
- With schools repositioning themselves all over the country, leaving the B10 would not be that big a deal..
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Maybe later - after BTN $$ dries up.
 
How can Duke and Northwestern be better than IU in Football? With their tough academic requirements?
 
I say drop football AND basketball. Basketball had some history but it's a 7th place has-been in the conference most years. Anybody who has hope in that program under Clappy is dreaming. Real schools like Michigan State and Wisconsin do just fine in both sports. Meanwhile, IU is a trainwreck.
 
Big Red Crimson Buffalo said:
I say drop football AND basketball. Basketball had some history but it's a 7th place has-been in the conference most years. Anybody who has hope in that program under Clappy is dreaming. Real schools like Michigan State and Wisconsin do just fine in both sports. Meanwhile, IU is a trainwreck.
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Usually the loudest complainers are people who are the least supportive of the program. I doubt you attend games much or give anything. Your "donation" is to complain and second guess everything.
 
Actually, I do attend all of it....was there last night in disbelief. Really, nothing surprises me with IU anymore. It's complete amateur hour but highly expected at IU. It has potential but considering the brain trust running the joint, nothing will change.
 
oldcougar77 said:
I think you are probably correct about that. More wishful thinking on my part than reality.

In general, I think Fred Glass has been good for IU athletics but agreeing to the football realignment that placed us in our current division at a time when we were finally making a commitment to football was a real head-scratcher for me. He needed his ass kicked for that if he had any control over the decision whatsoever. Trying to build a winning program when you are effectively guaranteed four conference losses in your division each year is like trying to scale a skyscraper with nothing but your bare hands.
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Rutgers fan here, not trying to flame but curious - would Indiana fans feel better about the football divisions if Michigan State were moved to the west and Purdue to the east.
 
IUFANMI said:
IU has always treated basketball as the piller sport in the Big Ten while the rest of the conference understands that football is the top dog.

Given the decades of neglect that the Administration has shown to football & the B10's postion of sticking the historically weakest team in the toughest football sub-conferrence, there is little chance of us ever getting over the hump. OSU, Michigan, Penn State and MSU alone present a challenge which will never be overcome ie. a successful turn around is reaching the middle of the conference pack. Ugh..
Leaving the Big Ten and joining the ACC should be considered for the following reasons:

- It is more of a BB conference then a FB conference
- The ACC has a good compliment of sports
- It would help FB recruiting; it would allow us to offer southern kids a chance to play closer to home & give northern kids a chance to play in a more southern conference
- Gives us a fresh start in FB. No years of losing history playing the same teams.
- Logistically, with the addition of Louisville & ND, it is not a streach.
- The ACC has its own TV network. Eventually, the TV money will be there.
- We could still schedule Purdue as non-conference games.
- The BB riveral's would be just as good if not better - UNC, Duke, NC State etc..
- With schools repositioning themselves all over the country, leaving the B10 would not be that big a deal..
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"pillAr" For God's sake.
 
IUFANMI said:
IU has always treated basketball as the piller sport in the Big Ten while the rest of the conference understands that football is the top dog.

Given the decades of neglect that the Administration has shown to football & the B10's postion of sticking the historically weakest team in the toughest football sub-conferrence, there is little chance of us ever getting over the hump. OSU, Michigan, Penn State and MSU alone present a challenge which will never be overcome ie. a successful turn around is reaching the middle of the conference pack. Ugh..
Leaving the Big Ten and joining the ACC should be considered for the following reasons:

- It is more of a BB conference then a FB conference
- The ACC has a good compliment of sports
- It would help FB recruiting; it would allow us to offer southern kids a chance to play closer to home & give northern kids a chance to play in a more southern conference
- Gives us a fresh start in FB. No years of losing history playing the same teams.
- Logistically, with the addition of Louisville & ND, it is not a streach.
- The ACC has its own TV network. Eventually, the TV money will be there.
- We could still schedule Purdue as non-conference games.
- The BB riveral's would be just as good if not better - UNC, Duke, NC State etc..
- With schools repositioning themselves all over the country, leaving the B10 would not be that big a deal..
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I'm a huge traditionalist, but I actually agree with this.

You make a compelling argument.
 
Never gonna happen, never should happen. The big ten is about more than sports. It is a community of like minded prestigious institutions. Every big ten school, I believe, is a member of the American Association of Universities, save Nebraska which was in the AAU but got kicked out shortly after they joined the big ten. The AAU is an exclusive, invitation only group of Universities that promote ideals and goals, share research and resources for the betterment of our country and all its institutions. Only 3 schools from the SEC belong to my knowledge. Within the first decade of the AAU Big Ten Universities were in the forefront with the IVY League in starting the effort, including our Indiana University, with only a handful of members. We are tied to our big ten members by far more than athletics.
 
47567burg said:
Never gonna happen, never should happen. The big ten is about more than sports. It is a community of like minded prestigious institutions. Every big ten school, I believe, is a member of the American Association of Universities, save Nebraska which was in the AAU but got kicked out shortly after they joined the big ten. The AAU is an exclusive, invitation only group of Universities that promote ideals and goals, share research and resources for the betterment of our country and all its institutions. Only 3 schools from the SEC belong to my knowledge. Within the first decade of the AAU Big Ten Universities were in the forefront with the IVY League in starting the effort, including our Indiana University, with only a handful of members. We are tied to our big ten members by far more than athletics.
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UChicago is still part of the B1G is still part of the CIC so it's not unheard of to leave and keep the academic ties
 
University of Chicago withdrew Big Ten membership in 1946 and now plays Div. III football. They dropped football all together for a while. So it is not unheard of. But we are more than sports, and the big ten is very selective of the schools it asks to join. All recent members invites were AAU members when they joined. We all have a higher calling in our conference affiliation.
 
47567burg said:
University of Chicago withdrew Big Ten membership in 1946 and now plays Div. III football. They dropped football all together for a while. So it is not unheard of. But we are more than sports, and the big ten is very selective of the schools it asks to join. All recent members invites were AAU members when they joined. We all have a higher calling in our conference affiliation.
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Norte Dame was invited repeatedly and they aren't a member. Nebraska was technically a member when they were invited but they were already told they were getting dropped by the AAU. When they joined they were trying to appeal, but the B1G had to know that winning the appeal was highly unlikely.

The AAU is nice but tv market share is what really matters.
 
Big Red Crimson Buffalo said:
Actually, I do attend all of it....was there last night in disbelief. Really, nothing surprises me with IU anymore. It's complete amateur hour but highly expected at IU. It has potential but considering the brain trust running the joint, nothing will change.
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If IU sports make you so miserable why put the time on money into it and make yourself so miserable. Life is to short to live your life with this much misery and unhappiness so maybe you should find something else to occupy your time.
 
IU Scott said:
If IU sports make you so miserable why put the time on money into it and make yourself so miserable. Life is to short to live your life with this much misery and unhappiness so maybe you should find something else to occupy your time.
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The same could be said about you posting on this forum. You normally do as much complaining as anyone, except with you it's complaining about you fellow posters instead of the actual games
 
ezluke said:
The same could be said about you posting on this forum. You normally do as much complaining as anyone, except with you it's complaining about you fellow posters instead of the actual games
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I am not the one saying that IU should drop football and basketball and IU sport don't ruin my every day life like it appears with this poster.
 
IU Scott said:
I am not the one saying that IU should drop football and basketball and IU sport don't ruin my every day life like it appears with this poster.
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No but negative posts on this board send you on the same rants and tantrums. I was simply suggesting you take the advice you gave him, if it makes you unhappy or bothers you don't do it. And the negativity on this board most certainly bothers you

I directed a post to you about you, this board and the affect it has on you...you replied with an unrelated rant about dropping sports. Even though I said you don't complain about the games you felt the need to repeat it back to me,

You think people can't stand to hear your "different opinions" but the issue is really you are unable to stay on point
 
ezluke said:
No but negative posts on this board send you on the same rants and tantrums. I was simply suggesting you take the advice you gave him, if it makes you unhappy or bothers you don't do it. And the negativity on this board most certainly bothers you

I directed a post to you about you, this board and the affect it has on you...you replied with an unrelated rant about dropping sports. Even though I said you don't complain about the games you felt the need to repeat it back to me,

You think people can't stand to hear your "different opinions" but the issue is really you are unable to stay on point
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I thought you said the other day you was not going to respond to anymore of my post but yet you are still replying.
 
IU Scott said:
I thought you said the other day you was not going to respond to anymore of my post but yet you are still replying.
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Yep I should've taken my own advice I knew better, it's my fault. I know you can't help it and I did it anyway, to ignore you go
 
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