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Why the left can't let go of racism

I never said I supported intellectual property law, even though I heard it can pay well ;)

My good friend's daughter making a lot of money in Australia in this area of law. She's moving to
London in September with a new firm and plans on making much more money. I don't want her and WSJ after me.
 
My good friend's daughter making a lot of money in Australia in this area of law. She's moving to
London in September with a new firm and plans on making much more money. I don't want her and WSJ after me.

Lol the WsJ wouldn't come after you
 
Lol the WsJ wouldn't come after you

This young lady a real ambulance chaser. They search the internet for possible cases and then go in for the kill. Lol. I learned my dickishness from her dad. He says she's better than him. Plus she's 5'9" or so and drop dead gorgeous. I only got the dick part from him.
 
This young lady a real ambulance chaser. They search the internet for possible cases and then go in for the kill. Lol. I learned my dickishness from her dad. He says she's better than him. Plus she's 5'9" or so and drop dead gorgeous. I only got the dick part from him.

I don't know Aussie law but what law r u breaking here? Distribution gets targeted, but I've never heard of consumer getting punished.
 
My good friend's daughter making a lot of money in Australia in this area of law. She's moving to
London in September with a new firm and plans on making much more money. I don't want her and WSJ after me.

No one gives a crap how much $ she is making, although you appear to be obsessed with how much $ people make. Are you one of those types who judges success based upon $?
 
No one gives a crap how much $ she is making, although you appear to be obsessed with how much $ people make. Are you one of those types who judges success based upon $?

I was just confirming there's money in that type of law.
 
No one gives a crap how much $ she is making, although you appear to be obsessed with how much $ people make. Are you one of those types who judges success based upon $?


He's a capitalist pig CPA, what do you expect? I can't believe people still count $ as a level of success in life. I'd put him on ignore if I were you.
 
He's a capitalist pig CPA, what do you expect? I can't believe people still count $ as a level of success in life. I'd put him on ignore if I were you.

See my previous response. I was confirming Jamie statement about intellectual property law. I would say I am a capitalist CPA. Definitely not a socialist. So you're anti capitalist?
 
He's a capitalist pig CPA, what do you expect? I can't believe people still count $ as a level of success in life. I'd put him on ignore if I were you.
Yeah those damn weathly people. They are the bastards that hire people and create jobs. Punish them all until there are no jobs and no taxes collected. Then we can all be on the same level. Better yet just take their wealth and give it to those that so deserve it. The lazy,the unmotivated and the illegals.
 
Yeah those damn weathly people. They are the bastards that hire people and create jobs. Punish them all until there are no jobs and no taxes collected. Then we can all be on the same level. Better yet just take their wealth and give it to those that so deserve it. The lazy,the unmotivated and the illegals.

Amazing response from Joe. Capitalist Pig CPA. Glad he didn't call me a socialist Pig CPA. My feelings would have been hurt.
 
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Yeah those damn weathly people. They are the bastards that hire people and create jobs. Punish them all until there are no jobs and no taxes collected. Then we can all be on the same level. Better yet just take their wealth and give it to those that so deserve it. The lazy,the unmotivated and the illegals.
Maybe people would take you seriously if you presented any inkling of knowing your stuff, but of course you don't.

Start with this: try to explain the difference between marginal propensity to save vs marginal propensity to consume.

Then once you've graduated, explain how private sector Trump created jobs by licensing his brand to developers. Show your work. Otherwise, piss off.
 
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Good question!





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I don't think the point here is that racism of this kind no longer exists -- but that it's been marginalized from mainstream American society and subsequently magnified by some who, for whatever reason, don't want to recognize that....or, more precisely, don't want others to recognize it.

Morons like these get media coverage (particularly lately) that is very disproportionate to their actual popular representation.
 
Morons like these get media coverage (particularly lately) that is very disproportionate to their actual popular representation.
Wrong. Data supports more fringe right wing violent deaths since 2001 than caused by jihadis.

I've also made the argument on here several times that Water Cooler Islamophobes that like to quote Majad Nawaaz's Concentric Circles argument regarding how many jihadi sympathizers there are don't get to drop that ball when it comes to far right extremists. While those that don a Klan robe or a Nazi armband may be a small number of the actual population - those that share many of their beliefs is going to be exponentially higher and the guy for whom you voted has (perhaps inadvertently if I'm feeling generous) given them a voice and has not vociferously told them to STFU. But hey, you got Gorsuch so I guess your conscious is clear? After all, what can possibly affect you in rural Indiana?

http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf#page34
 


If you read the actual article no one is saying racism doesn't exist. The White Nationalist, KKK and Nazis are a very small minority. I have no idea of the numbers but the racists in your pictures don't amount to many folks. Some people on the left are using these small numbers of idiots to divide the country and whip up the frenzy we have going on now of seeing how many statues we can destroy. Now that we're here we have to figure out a reasonable way to take down the ones local folks decide are offensive. When this dies down the race baiters on both sides will find something else to cause trouble.
 
I don't think the point here is that racism of this kind no longer exists -- but that it's been marginalized from mainstream American society and subsequently magnified by some who, for whatever reason, don't want to recognize that....or, more precisely, don't want others to recognize it.

Morons like these get media coverage (particularly lately) that is very disproportionate to their actual popular representation.

The question for me isn't that racism, it's the Archie Bunker racism. I suspect it is far more prevalent and hard to measure. There are various tests, one where they have photos of people, each subject sees the same people but their skin tone is altered. So you might see a white and I might see a very dark-skinned black. Again, it is the same person. And the subject is asked to use a word to describe that person. Those studies show the lighter the skin, the more positive the descriptor. Can I prove that the people who use the more negative descriptor for darker skinned individuals are less likely to hire said darker skinned individual? No, I haven't seen that data. But it isn't crazy to think this would be the case.

They have done resume tests with people having names that sound "African-American". Identical resumes, one named Jane Smith and one named Lakisha Washington, and Jane gets interviews and Lakisha does not. One source.

For some reason the idea that this sort of discrimination exists either is denied, or used to blame the minority with a "they should just try harder" response. The appropriate response is how can we end this sort of discrimination.

The role of the KKK and the nazis is to make Archie Bunker feel better about himself. The Archie Bunker thinks his brand of racism is OK because he has a much worse evil to compare it to. I was raised by Archie Bunker, in a neighborhood of Archie Bunkers. I'm not convinced there are fewer of them today.
 
Let me also add, Trump voters actually believe whites are discriminated against more than blacks. I cannot imagine a study that would show that. Is there anyone here who firmly believes that, and what evidence is there?
 
The question for me isn't that racism, it's the Archie Bunker racism. I suspect it is far more prevalent and hard to measure.

The role of the KKK and the nazis is to make Archie Bunker feel better about himself. The Archie Bunker thinks his brand of racism is OK because he has a much worse evil to compare it to. I was raised by Archie Bunker, in a neighborhood of Archie Bunkers. I'm not convinced there are fewer of them today.

I too was raised in a community of Archie Bunkers. I believe even that type is dying out. Most of the ones still out there are old men sitting at home that are afraid to utter any racist thoughts in public.

Call me naive.
 
Wrong. Data supports more fringe right wing violent deaths since 2001 than caused by jihadis.

Assuming this is even true, how exactly does it disprove my contention that these people get a disproportionate amount of media attention? The report you linked cited 62 incidents and 102 victims in 15 years. In a nation of 320 million people over a 15 year period, I'd say an average of 4 incidents a year qualifies as rare.

My point was that these people exist on the fringe of American society -- and that the coverage they get (particularly of late) inflates their social gravity. The point of the piece he linked was that there's a purpose to this....and I'd guess that's correct.

I've also made the argument on here several times that Water Cooler Islamophobes that like to quote Majad Nawaaz's Concentric Circles argument regarding how many jihadi sympathizers there are don't get to drop that ball when it comes to far right extremists.

First of all, the concentric circles explanation of the relationship between the jihadists and the broader Muslim world actually comes from Sam Harris. Nawaaz references it a lot. But I think Harris originated it and she generally cites that.

That said, have you seen the Pew polling data on support for such things as suicide bombings among Muslims populaces around the world? Are you saying that we could poll a large swath of white Americans and find some similar level of support for, say, lynching?

I mean, you may certainly be right that there's more latent sympathy for white supremacy (let alone violence against minorities) than those who actually demonstrate it in public. But I seriously doubt that it has any level of purchase that a reasonable person would deem it "mainstream" or on a par with the level of sympathy in the Muslim world for Islamist ideas and tactics.
 
Amazing response from Joe. Capitalist Pig CPA. Glad he didn't call me a socialist Pig CPA. My feelings would have been hurt.


C'mon man, you know dang good and well I am 100% R, never look at the other side, only vote straight ticket and that is anything against D's.

Well there I go again! lol..

Yes I was being sarcastic. Kinda like SHF from the other side.
 
Assuming this is even true, how exactly does it disprove my contention that these people get a disproportionate amount of media attention? The report you linked cited 62 incidents and 102 victims in 15 years. In a nation of 320 million people over a 15 year period, I'd say an average of 4 incidents a year qualifies as rare.

My point was that these people exist on the fringe of American society -- and that the coverage they get (particularly of late) inflates their social gravity. The point of the piece he linked was that there's a purpose to this....and I'd guess that's correct.



First of all, the concentric circles explanation of the relationship between the jihadists and the broader Muslim world actually comes from Sam Harris. Nawaaz references it a lot. But I think Harris originated it and she generally cites that.

That said, have you seen the Pew polling data on support for such things as suicide bombings among Muslims populaces around the world? Are you saying that we could poll a large swath of white Americans and find some similar level of support for, say, lynching?

I mean, you may certainly be right that there's more latent sympathy for white supremacy (let alone violence against minorities) than those who actually demonstrate it in public. But I seriously doubt that it has any level of purchase that a reasonable person would deem it "mainstream" or on a par with the level of sympathy in the Muslim world for Islamist ideas and tactics.
I agree the Concentric Circles argument is likely not going to yield apples to apples results at the same strength of the Islamic nations' support for jihadist activity. But, yes, I'd bet my entire net worth that a well-engineered survey would yield that at least 20% of GOP voters are Archie Bunker-style racists and are sympathetic to KKK and neoNazi ideology.

And you don't get to do media coverage both ways. You don't get to state that coverage of white nationalism is disproportionally skewed from their actions when your elected President talked about Islamist actions at a rate ten times that of the media and white nationalism.
 
If you read the actual article no one is saying racism doesn't exist. The White Nationalist, KKK and Nazis are a very small minority. I have no idea of the numbers but the racists in your pictures don't amount to many folks. Some people on the left are using these small numbers of idiots to divide the country and whip up the frenzy we have going on now of seeing how many statues we can destroy. Now that we're here we have to figure out a reasonable way to take down the ones local folks decide are offensive. When this dies down the race baiters on both sides will find something else to cause trouble.

Wow. That's not it. At all. Rock posted articles that show what those monuments represent. They were essentially a way to further Jim Crow laws, or to flout the growing civil rights movement. They have zero to do with protecting "heritage".

The left can't let go of racism, because it still exists and shouldn't exist. And with an enabler of white nationalists like Trump in office, the vocal minority is screaming. There's no good reason for an uptick in white nationalism, except for Trump enabling those folks.

The ONLY reason this is a bigger issue now is because of Trump and his actions. Period.

Your blindness in this area is showing stoll. Just because it doesn't affect you directly doesn't mean it doesn't affect others. Put another way, I'm damn sure seeing one of these monuments (which represent the confederacy/slavery) doesn't affect me in near the same way as it does my wife (she's African American). Sure, they piss me off, but for her, it goes to a much deeper level. And rightly so. There's no good reason to continue to glorify a horrible part of our history- at least not in the open as a public monument. Take the monuments to a museum, so they can be viewed in it proper context.

It saddens me that we are taking steps backwards in this area. And that folks still see this as a "local" issue. It's much deeper than that- and if you'd think outside of your experience, you'd be able to see it. Put the shoe on the other foot, and imagine if whites were the ones enslaved, and a bunch of monuments were erected during periods of racial strife (1890's-1930 or so and right before the civil rights movement in the 50's and early 60's) to remind you of that era.

I can assure you that you would feel differently than you do now.
 
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Wrong. Data supports more fringe right wing violent deaths since 2001 than caused by jihadis.

http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf#page34
The GAO doesn't say that. On page 3 of their report it says, "from September 12, 2001 through December 31, 2016, attacks by domestic or "homegrown" violent extremists in the United States resulted in 225 fatalities, according to the ECDB. Of these, 106 were killed by far right violent extremists in 62 separate incidents, and 119 were victims of radical Islamist violent extremists in 23 separate incidents."

106 is less than 119, of course. ;)
 
The question for me isn't that racism, it's the Archie Bunker racism. I suspect it is far more prevalent and hard to measure. There are various tests, one where they have photos of people, each subject sees the same people but their skin tone is altered. So you might see a white and I might see a very dark-skinned black. Again, it is the same person. And the subject is asked to use a word to describe that person. Those studies show the lighter the skin, the more positive the descriptor. Can I prove that the people who use the more negative descriptor for darker skinned individuals are less likely to hire said darker skinned individual? No, I haven't seen that data. But it isn't crazy to think this would be the case.

They have done resume tests with people having names that sound "African-American". Identical resumes, one named Jane Smith and one named Lakisha Washington, and Jane gets interviews and Lakisha does not. One source.

For some reason the idea that this sort of discrimination exists either is denied, or used to blame the minority with a "they should just try harder" response. The appropriate response is how can we end this sort of discrimination.

The role of the KKK and the nazis is to make Archie Bunker feel better about himself. The Archie Bunker thinks his brand of racism is OK because he has a much worse evil to compare it to. I was raised by Archie Bunker, in a neighborhood of Archie Bunkers. I'm not convinced there are fewer of them today.

But that's not who RBB89 pointed to, is it? Nor is it the kind that garners the media attention I'm referring to.

FTR, I actually do think there are fewer Archie Bunkers than there were 20 years ago -- just as 20 years ago there were fewer than 20 years before that. And I think there will be fewer 20 years from now than there are today.

Still, if we want to talk about quiet racial prejudice, then let's do so. But I'm not the one conflating them here. Rather, I was simply pointing out that the groups that get all the attention are quite clearly on the fringes of our society...and not worth the media attention they get. And, like the author of the piece linked above, I don't think that's any sort of accident.
 
The GAO doesn't say that. On page 3 of their report it says, "from September 12, 2001 through December 31, 2016, attacks by domestic or "homegrown" violent extremists in the United States resulted in 225 fatalities, according to the ECDB. Of these, 106 were killed by far right violent extremists in 62 separate incidents, and 119 were victims of radical Islamist violent extremists in 23 separate incidents."

106 is less than 119, of course. ;)
You're right. I pulled the "more" from an article covering it which narrowed the timeframe.

The point remains that if jihad is an existential threat to Americans as Trumpers would have you believe, clearly so is white nationalism.
 
I agree the Concentric Circles argument is likely not going to yield apples to apples results at the same strength of the Islamic nations' support for jihadist activity. But, yes, I'd bet my entire net worth that a well-engineered survey would yield that at least 20% of GOP voters are Archie Bunker-style racists and are sympathetic to KKK and neoNazi ideology.

Well, I don't know. Has such a study been done? And what exactly qualifies as "KKK and neoNazi ideology", anyway? Does Marvin's example above of an employer who would call Jane Smith but not Lakisha Washington qualify somebody as being sympathetic with the Klan?

Moreover, why are you limiting this to just Republicans? You ever hang around any trade unionists? I do...and (a) precious few of them are Republicans, and (b) they are about as Archie Bunkerish as people come, in my experience.

And you don't get to do media coverage both ways. You don't get to state that coverage of white nationalism is disproportionally skewed from their actions when your elected President talked about Islamist actions at a rate ten times that of the media and white nationalism.

Oh, I think jihadism warrants the coverage. And it has nothing to do with how many (or few) people have been killed by jihadist attacks. It has to do with the nature of what it is, why they're doing it, and where they intend to go with it.

I've never been worried about redneck racists acquiring a nuke and detonating it in Detroit. Have you?
 
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You're right. I pulled the "more" from an article covering it which narrowed the timeframe.

The point remains that if jihad is an existential threat to Americans as Trumpers would have you believe, clearly so is white nationalism.

This is just naive, INRanger.

Whether or not something poses an existential threat -- or a threat that leans in that direction, anyway -- has nothing to do with how many lives they've claimed. It has to do with what drives them, what lengths they're willing to go to in order to accomplish their mission, their ability to sidestep security measures, how organized they are, etc. etc.

Could you ever envision a group of 19 Bubbas pulling off something like 9/11 in the service of advancing their racist ideology? I couldn't. And in a world where the proliferation of WMDs is almost certainly still heading in the wrong direction, those questions above are very important in assessing just how much attention we ought to pay to a particular threat.
 
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