Why does Putin have so many fanboys in the American right wing?

[CO. Hoosier]

Sure they are. COH is here for the jousting, while Crazy does a good job of articulating Con/Pub/Righty positions, mostly of the social issues variety. As infuriating as both can be (to me), they're valuable contributors.

If by jousting you mean provocative, I plead guilty. I often try to post in a manner that generates responses and discussions. The back and forth over an interesting issue, or even a contentious one, is informative and stimulating. Unfortunately many here become angry and eschew that in favor of name-calling. All that shows me is intellectual laziness and weakness.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

Sure they are. COH is here for the jousting, while Crazy does a good job of articulating Con/Pub/Righty positions, mostly of the social issues variety. As infuriating as both can be (to me), they're valuable contributors.

I'm not sure being here for the jousting equates to wanting an actual discussion. It's more about continuously moving the goal posts to ensure winning the debate. I probably shouldn't have included him since he isn't like some of the others. There are some I missed but main point was pointing out the double standard.

If I was a conservative, mcm would be liking my posts left and right. But since I'm a liberal, I get called "stupid" in the same convo as him saying the board needs to be cleaned up. I've had my share of posts that probably should have been deleted but the majority of them were in response to posts that should have also been deleted. I get threatened, called names and mcm is more likely to like their posts than see them for what they are, the exact same (or worse) as the posts he decries if they came from liberals.

 

[iuwclurker]

What do you believe honest discussion Is?

You can rest assured that every opinion I have ever posted on this board is an honest opinion, even those posted as a devil’s advocate. If you cant find honest discussion here, the problem is between your ears, not with the board.

There are a substantial number of posters, you included, who believe honest discussion is insults, put downs, and name calling. That is the problem with the board. I try to limit that, but I’m not always successful. But for those of you who think your insults and name calling mean any thing to me, know this: they don’t.

Honest discussion involves facts to the extent each of us knows them. I think what you mean by honest opinions is sincere opinions. What is “honest” about an opinion is the extent to which you base it on facts.

This leads to the difference between partisan hackery as rockfish liked to call it and dissembling. The “partisan hacks” here don’t try to conceal their motives here. Their posts are conspicuous and aggressive.

Speaking specifically of you since you posted a self-evaluation here, I find many of your posts to be thoughtful and adhering to honest discussion. What I have no respect for is when you seemingly dissemble. That is, you pretend to be having an honest discussion but you slip in non-facts, shall I call them. While that may be an important part of training for adversarial contexts, I don’t view that as conducive to honest discussion here on this forum. While we may have widely differing opinions on political, economic and social matters, we are all Americans, we are all brothers and sisters. Rational, honest discourse has a purpose of leading us forward together.

 

[cosmickid]

Honest discussion involves facts to the extent each of us knows them. I think what you mean by honest opinions is sincere opinions. What is “honest” about an opinion is the extent to which you base it on facts.

This leads to the difference between partisan hackery as rockfish liked to call it and dissembling. The “partisan hacks” here don’t try to conceal their motives here. Their posts are conspicuous and aggressive.

Speaking specifically of you since you posted a self-evaluation here, I find many of your posts to be thoughtful and adhering to honest discussion. What I have no respect for is when you seemingly dissemble. That is, you pretend to be having an honest discussion but you slip in non-facts, shall I call them. While that may be an important part of training for adversarial contexts, I don’t view that as conducive to honest discussion here on this forum. While we may have widely differing opinions on political, economic and social matters, we are all Americans, we are all brothers and sisters. Rational, honest discourse has a purpose of leading us forward together.

What I find strange is which posters are being criticized and by whom. Many of us agree that this board used to be a far more civil place, without the vitriol and downright nastiness. That's because many of us REMEMBER, by virtue of being around and being a part of things...

Now I'll use "circlejoe" as an example, since it seems strange to me that he has been (for some unfathomable reason) singled out for criticism as not adding to the conversation. But a little research uncovers the fact that "joe" has been around since 2001 (so presumably was one of the reasons this board used to be civil) and the people criticizing his posting are far more recent additions to the board, say 2019 for example...

Now I've been around since 2009, and Joe precedes me by nearly a decade. I never recall any issues with joe as some sort of disruptive force. He doesn't post a lot (hence his designation as All Big 10) where many folks who joined at that time are Hall of Famers. But not all "Hall of Famers" are created equal, and for some the upper designations are more a result of an inordinate amount of posts over a short time, rather than board longevity.

Whether or not all of those huge quantity of posts equate to quality is a matter of subjectivity. But I do think it's odd when a person like Joe who has been around for 20+ yrs (and hence was a member of the board when it was a more decent place) is somehow attacked as being "the problem"... The board which you chose to join was a more civil place before you were posting here, and a person like Joe who was here in better times is the reason the board is on life support?

I mean if the board has deteriorated from where it was in years past, shouldn't some of the newer members engage in a little honest reflection?

 

[mcmurtry66]

What I find strange is which posters are being criticized and by whom. Many of us agree that this board used to be a far more civil place, without the vitriol and downright nastiness. That's because many of us REMEMBER, by virtue of being around and being a part of things...

Now I'll use "circlejoe" as an example, since it seems strange to me that he has been (for some unfathomable reason) singled out for criticism as not adding to the conversation. But a little research uncovers the fact that "joe" has been around since 2001 (so presumably was one of the reasons this board used to be civil) and the people criticizing his posting are far more recent additions to the board, say 2019 for example...

Now I've been around since 2009, and Joe precedes me by nearly a decade. I never recall any issues with joe as some sort of disruptive force. He doesn't post a lot (hence his designation as All Big 10) where many folks who joined at that time are Hall of Famers. But not all "Hall of Famers" are created equal, and for some the upper designations are more a result of an inordinate amount of posts over a short time, rather than board longevity.

Whether or not all of those huge quantity of posts equate to quality is a matter of subjectivity. But I do think it's odd when a person like Joe who has been around for 20+ yrs (and hence was a member of the board when it was a more decent place) is somehow attacked as being "the problem"... The board which you chose to join was a more civil place before you were posting here, and a person like Joe who was here in better times is the reason the board is on life support?

I mean if the board has deteriorated from where it was in years past, shouldn't some of the newer members engage in a little honest reflection?

You are duped by partisanship. You're an idiot are the lion's share of Joe's posts and he will admit as much. How long anyone has been a member is meaningless. My membership started in 98 for what little that is worth. Most of those posters are long gone. Trover and the rest

 

[CO. Hoosier]

I'm not sure being here for the jousting equates to wanting an actual discussion. It's more about continuously moving the goal posts to ensure winning the debate.

A couple of things about goalposts.

First, often posters don’t know where the goalposts are in the first place, so whether they moved, escapes them. The thread i started about how fast the world came to support and show affection for Ukraine is a perfect example.

Second, in a larger sense, goalposts are irrelevant to many discussions. Discussions evolve. More and more hairs are split. Nuance becomes important. Frequently when I see a post about moving goalposts, I see a post that has gone astray.

 

[iuwclurker]

You are duped by partisanship. You're an idiot are the lion's share of Joe's posts and he will admit as much. How long anyone has been a member is meaningless. My membership started in 98 for what little that is worth. Most of those posters are long gone. Trover and the rest

I don’t remember you from anything but more recently but that’s not important. If you have been around that long then you may have seen Sope Creek’s legendary post about calling someone an asshole. Basically he was saying don’t beat around the bush, if you think someone’s being an asshole, tell him.

There’s a difference between high- and low-quality posting, in terms of both content and literary skills. Rockfish is a great example. Even his insults were high-quality and generally hilarious, to me anyway.

Low quality simply brings the board down to put it simply.

I recommend thicker skin for the low-quality posting. Either that or put it on Ignore.

 

[IUclover]

I am trying to get some things done that hopefully will improve this board. Waiting on some answers

If anything, please remove CRT from this board. My wife got mad when I called her a racist for marrying me, a white man.

 

[iuwclurker]

There's a difference between "That's idiotic and here's why" and "You're an idiot."

For some. Problem is, not for the idiots. (Joke)

 

[Lucy01]

If anything, please remove CRT from this board. My wife got mad when I called her a racist for marrying me, a white man.

Why would anyone get upset with the War in Ukraine ? It’s White people fighting White people!

 

[iuwclurker]

no. Everything I said is well documented.

That may be in one sense but you know full well what Trump did with respect to weapons when Zelensky wouldn’t do his bidding. Trump even got, ahem, impeached for this very issue. So the way you posted here is duplicitous. But you do you.

 

[DANC]

Analysis: Trump has been on Putin's side in Ukraine's long struggle against Russian aggression — CNN Politics

Americans rarely pay much attention to international events. Busy lives leave little time for distant events with unfamiliar protagonists.

apple.news

'Analysis'. lmao

 

[DANC]

Says the person that loves Trump who loves putin...

Ergo you must be a putin fan boy.

Name one Democrat that has said nice things about putin.

 

[DANC]

Sure they are. COH is here for the jousting, while Crazy does a good job of articulating Con/Pub/Righty positions, mostly of the social issues variety. As infuriating as both can be (to me), they're valuable contributors.

Thanks!

 

[DANC]

I'm not sure being here for the jousting equates to wanting an actual discussion. It's more about continuously moving the goal posts to ensure winning the debate. I probably shouldn't have included him since he isn't like some of the others. There are some I missed but main point was pointing out the double standard.

If I was a conservative, mcm would be liking my posts left and right. But since I'm a liberal, I get called "stupid" in the same convo as him saying the board needs to be cleaned up. I've had my share of posts that probably should have been deleted but the majority of them were in response to posts that should have also been deleted. I get threatened, called names and mcm is more likely to like their posts than see them for what they are, the exact same (or worse) as the posts he decries if they came from liberals.

Poor Scarecrow.....

 

[ORG]

Why does Putin have superfans among the US right wing? | Vladimir Putin | The Guardian

The Russian leader is an autocrat with a homophobic and misogynistic worldview. No wonder he is admired by so many Republicans, writes Arwa Mahdawi

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What? Do you expect trump to have fanboys in the American left Wing?

 

[DANC]

A couple of things about goalposts.

First, often posters don’t know where the goalposts are in the first place, so whether they moved, escapes them. The thread i started about how fast the world came to support and show affection for Ukraine is a perfect example.

Second, in a larger sense, goalposts are irrelevant to many discussions. Discussions evolve. More and more hairs are split. Nuance becomes important. Frequently when I see a post about moving goalposts, I see a post that has gone astray.

Usually when people complain about 'goalposts' moving, they're losing the argument and can't come back with a logical response.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

This thread pretty much sums up this board.

The level of objectivity is as low as i have ever seen. There is just no reason to post.

 

[mcmurtry66]

This thread pretty much sums up this board.

The level of objectivity is as low as i have ever seen. There is just no reason to post.

Agreed

 

[Lucy01]

This thread pretty much sums up this board.

The level of objectivity is as low as i have ever seen. There is just no reason to post.

But yet, here you are!

 

[Courtsensetwo]

But yet, here you are!

Read my post. Not joining the mindless food fight.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Agreed

I used to come here and engage, but now I just look at the skid marks they call threads and leave.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I used to come here and engage, but now I just look at the skid marks they call threads and leave.

Yup. It's about that time

 

[DANC]

This thread pretty much sums up this board.

The level of objectivity is as low as i have ever seen. There is just no reason to post.

Why? No anti-vaxers to ridicule?

 

[DrHoops]

What? Do you expect trump to have fanboys in the American left Wing?

Whoops! I miswrote the thread title. It’s been fixed now. Thank you.

 

[UncleMark]

Serious question: if I was a Mod I'd lock this thread. What would your reaction be?

 

[DrHoops]

This may be the worst Cooler thread ever

You’re not required to participate. Hit the road.

 

[outside shooter]

Why would anyone get upset with the War in Ukraine ? It’s White people fighting White people!

Don't you hate seeing white kids die?

 

[Lucy01]

Don't you hate seeing white kids die?

Yes I do!

 

[Lucy01]

Serious question: if I was a Mod I'd lock this thread. What would your reaction be?

Your mod position has went to your head.

 

[stollcpa]

The board is on life support

This board is dead. Leave it for the libs to have a giant circle jerk every day.

 

[UncleMark]

Your mod position has went to your head.

It's not happening. You're safe. Lucy.

 

[Lucy01]

It's not happening. You're safe. Lucy.

I thought you were asking for honest feedback.

 

[UncleMark]

I thought you were asking for honest feedback.

I was, but it was a hypothetical. I'm curious as to how the posters here, no matter their political persuasion, would react to the board being moderated and gave a specific example of what could be done in a particular situation.

 

[Lucy01]

I was, but it was a hypothetical. I'm curious as to how the posters here, no matter their political persuasion, would react to the board being moderated and gave a specific example of what could be done in a particular situation.

I could have been more diplomatic and said you were flexing your muscles too much.

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

You’re not required to participate. Hit the road.

Enjoy the midterms.

 

[twenty02]

Exactly. And you and Coh and Marv and a few others are good at ignoring it. I'm not. Many here aren't; so if we get a bit of moderating and try to police ourselves and each other a bit things will improve. Otherwise F it. Delete the account and do something else. I'll go back to finding people to sext and unravel again

I've had promises made that changes are coming!

 

[T.M.P.]

I don't know one conservative who goes ga ga over a communist. That is a Democrat phenomenon. Who was that woman during the Obama Administration who said she respected Mao. What about the Democrats who keep talking about how the Chinese,"get things done". Putin is KGB 100%. Thus He is always and will be a communist at heart.

The last communist was Marx.

Read a book.

 

[T.M.P.]

This board is dead. Leave it for the libs to have a giant circle jerk every day.

Keep your homo erotic fantasies to yourself...

NTTAWWTOC but time and place ...

 

[twenty02]

Serious question: if I was a Mod I'd lock this thread. What would your reaction be?

Flush it like the turd that it is.