that was an awfully long response to something that had zero to do with my post.
when saying Biden needs vetted, it's not sex allegations i'm referring to.
if you think sexual misconduct accusations are what Pubs will go after Biden with, you need to rethink that.
Pretty sure when Obama was thinking of nominating Biden for VP-long before the public even had an inkling they THOROUGHLY VETTED him. In fact, numerous people who were Obama staffers at the time came out and said exactly that. You think if there were any rumours about a purported complaint (which we now know that even if it exists basically says that Biden made her feel "uncomfortable") that the people charged with getting the first Black American elected as POTUS wouldn't have at the very least scoured those UD archives?
YOU referenced those archives-
"Pubs would be idiots to unload what they have on Biden till after the convention, so for now they're being "relatively" easy on him compared to how they will be post convention.
and don't expect the U Delaware records to NOT come out one way or another after the convention, unless they are burned first.
if the DNC isn't doing a full vetting of Biden thinking the Pubs and Fox won't either, then they're deliberately throwing the election. (a much more plausible scenario than Dem voters nationally realize, who still haven't figured out just who is really running the DNC, and to what end)."- so I responded.
Now if you're alluding to the whole phoney Burisma/Hunter Biden nonsense Trump fabricated- my first response was I assumed you were SMARTER than Trump, or at least more intelligent than people stupid enough to believe an idiot like Trump. Do you think as a rule that if someone joins a company AFTER that company has gone thru a scandal or something like bankruptcy that the newly hired employee should be viewed as in any way responsible for events that
preceded his employment?
Because THIS whole attempt to link Hunter Biden to Burisma for an investigation of events that occurred BEFORE he was hired is Trump's version of pissing in the wind. What exactly is Trump accusing Burisma (a PRIVATE company, btw which also just happens to be the biggest threat to Putin's energy concerns in Eastern Europe/former Soviet Bloc countries) of? How exactly does Trump want us to believe that a Purported "investigation" into Burisma for events prior to Burisma hiring Hunter Biden somehow "involves" Hunter Biden? What exactly is Joe Biden's rationale for "protecting his son" from an investigation that does NOT involve his son?
I don't want to get in the weeds here since you obviously haven't gone beyond Trump's simplistic "analysis", but you did reference a "Burisma Scandal" and it's obvious you don't even know what the "Burisma scandal" is. Basically the owner of Burisma (Zlochevsky) was a minister during the Yanukovych/Manafort regime and was entwined in various "business ventures" with those 2 and others.
Once Yanukovych fell and reform elements tried to enact monetary reforms in Ukraine Zlochevsky tried to move some of those funds from things like overseas money-laundering operations to safe places like Cyprus. Authorities in the UK discovered his attempt to smuggle funds thru and out of England, and in response froze the funds in order to return them to rightful owners in Ukraine who Zlochevsky had basically swindled.
We are talking $$ MILLIONS,and both the IMF and UK authorities turned to the Prosecutor Generals Office (PGO) headed by Shokin for assistance. They needed corroborating evidence from the PGO to fight Zlochevsky's legal attempts to unfreeze the assets and move them on to Cyprus. Instead, elements within the PGO were paid off, the case collapsed and Zlochevsky was able to transfer the funds on to Cyprus, where they are untouchable...The US, the UK the IMF and everyone else was NOT happy, and the US made its displeasure known in a speech by US AMB to Ukraine (Geoffrey Pyatt) in a speech in Odesa on Sept 24, 2015. The relevant parts- discussing the Burisma/Zlochevsky "scandal"...
" We have learned that there have been times that the PGO not only did not support investigations
into corruption, but rather undermined prosecutors working on legitimate corruption cases.
For example, in the case of former Ecology Minister Mykola Zlochevsky, the U.K. authorities had
seized 23 million dollars in illicit assets that belonged to the Ukrainian people.
Officials at the PGO’s
office were asked by the U.K to send documents supporting the seizure.Instead, they sent letters to Zlochevsky’s attorneys attesting that there was no case against him. As a result, the money was freed by the U.K. court and shortly thereafter the money was moved to Cyprus.
The misconduct by the PGO officials who wrote those letters should be investigated, and those
responsible for subverting the case by authorizing those letters should – at a minimum – be
summarily terminated."
https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Remarks-by-US-Ambassador-Geoffrey-Pyatt-at-the-Odesa-Financial-Forum-on-September-24-2015-ukraine.pdf
THAT was a not too subtle hint that the US wanted Shokin to start doing his job and INVESTIGATE corruption. He was already very unpopular both within and outside Ukraine- the US viewed him as at best lazy and inefficient, and at worst as an actual corrupt holdover from the Yanukovych and even Soviet days.
As the months passed and Shokin continued to just play lipservice to reform, the US grew more unhappy. Biden was the main proponent of aid to Ukraine and had pushed for several US and IMF "loan Guarantees" for the fledging reform Govt. But the US wanted Shokin replaced- and someone who would actually go after the inherent corruption installed. The US wanted someone like Vitalyi Kasko who Pyatt had noted in his speech to take more of a prominent role. More on Kasko at the end...
Anyway it's that continuing displeasure of the US with Shokin as a PGO that leads to the events Biden discusses in the heavily edited,out of context tape that Trump has pushed...
So in Dec 2015 Biden makes another trip to Ukraine- I think he was supposed to address the Duma. And after his speech he decides to again press Poroshenko to replace Shokin, possibly with Kasko. As incentive Biden threatens to withhold the newest set of loan guarantees which he was basically there to deliver. Biden really embellishes the story here,as it was basically an empty threat...
Poroshenko and Shokin are former schoolmates and Shokin is a relic from the Communist days who still wears his KGB-like overcoat each day. Poroshenko refuses and Biden who was not authorized to deny the loan guarantees delivers them and flies home. But it is an example of the US's continued dissatisfaction with Shokin,and his continued inability to do his job. Shokin holds on for about 3 more months,which involves the US Senate Committee on Ukraine (bi-partisan) actually sending a letter in Feb 2016 expressing continued concern over corruption in Ukraine. During the next 3 mos or several pro-Western/reform minded ministers/prosecutors resign, rather than work with Shokin. Then Kasko resigns, and seals Shokin's fate...
It's interesting to note that the final nail in Shokin's coffin when he was eventually fired in March 2016 was Kasko's public resignation and denouncing of Shokin as an "agent of corruption" on live Ukraine tv in Feb 2016. From the Reuters account of events of Feb 16, 2016...
“Today, the General Prosecutor’s office is a brake on the reform of criminal justice, a hotbed of corruption, an instrument of political pressure, one of the key obstacles to the arrival of foreign investment in Ukraine,” Deputy General Prosecutor Vitaliy Kasko said in a televised statement.
Kasko’s move follows the exit of Economy Minister Aivaras Abromavicius, who accused vested interests, including a close ally of President Petro Poroshenko, of meddling in his ministry and trying to siphon off state funds.
Kasko’s accusation that there was merely a facade of change in the prosecution service is damaging to Poroshenko, who has resisted pressure to fire General Prosecutor Viktor Shokin."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...orruption-as-government-teeters-idUSKCN0VO1II
The key thing to remember here is NONE of this has ANYTHING to do with Hunter Biden. After Zlochevsky's legal issues Burisma's standing in the West took a hit not based on anything connected to Burisma but based solely on the fact that the company was owned by Zlochevsky.
In an effort to rehab their reputation, the BOD of Burisma took on a more international orientation, and that is when they hired people like a former Bush Admin official, the former President of Poland and a few US Citizens (like Hunter Biden) to join the BOD in a PR capacity. None of these people had any experience or relation to energy- in the case of Biden he was a lawyer and consultant who had been a lobbyist and had served and built various firms. His term of employment was set to run till 2019, at which time he could decide whether he wanted to continue on or retire from the Board. Basically-an example of Capitalism in the Corporate world...
There wasn't any "scandal" to investigate or any reason for Joe to "protect him". People work for major corporations all over the world- Burisma is a profitable entity and pays their Executives accordingly.
He was paid by a PRIVATE company, not the Govt of Ukraine. He's an experienced lawyer with degrees from Georgetown and Yale- is $50,000/mo salary exorbitant? Again it's a private corporation, not anything to do with US Taxpayers. Personally,I'm a lot more upset to discover that in the 3.5 yrs that DJT has been POTUS, the Committee to Elect Donald J Trump has spent over $16 MILLION dollars in lodging and service costs paid DIRECTLY to Trump Properties. Not sure that's what the folks who sent their $25 donations to trump "fundraising campaigns" thought their $$ were going to do- end up in Trump's pockets...
I guess as far as this issue is concerned people who base their vote on it are going to come down on 1 side of an outrage choice. Outrage over Hunter being paid $600,000 yr for serving on the BOD of a Private foreign Company, or outrage over DJT enriching himself in a single aspect of his Business earning over $$20 MILLION just in payments from Committees related to him and the GOP in general.
