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What a piece of trash CMP is. What did he gain by saying those things? Hope it causes pause for future recruits going there. Sure as hell won't inspire any.
I can understand why a coach would be upset because some kids leave. You put a lot of time and effort into these players and then they take off.Personally, I found myself nodding a lot during that interview. Yeah, there were a couple comments that smelled a bit like sour grapes regarding Haarms and Eastern. But his general thrust — that most players want to get to the NBA but few are willing to put in the extra work to get there and then conclude that they’ll have a better chance at a different program probably has a lot of hard truth to it. One thing he pointed out was how few transfers end up getting drafted - which is interesting considering the high number of transfers these days.
I suspect most high-level college coaches would at least agree with those general sentiments, leaving aside the specific cases of Haarms and Eastern.
Of course, having a better shot at the pros isn’t always going to be the primary reason somebody transfers. He mentioned that Haarms got beat out by Williams for the starting spot. Any coach would hope that a kid would respond to that by upping their effort to win it back. But not every kid will react that way, especially in Haarms’ situation where he could transfer without a year in street clothes. Peyton Ramsey just did the same thing, and who can blame him?
I give kudos to Painter for being so candid on this subject. It’s always refreshing to hear a coach move beyond the bounds of empty coach-speak platitudes.
Personally, I found myself nodding a lot during that interview. Yeah, there were a couple comments that smelled a bit like sour grapes regarding Haarms and Eastern. But his general thrust — that most players want to get to the NBA but few are willing to put in the extra work to get there and then conclude that they’ll have a better chance at a different program probably has a lot of hard truth to it. One thing he pointed out was how few transfers end up getting drafted - which is interesting considering the high number of transfers these days.
I suspect most high-level college coaches would at least agree with those general sentiments, leaving aside the specific cases of Haarms and Eastern.
Of course, having a better shot at the pros isn’t always going to be the primary reason somebody transfers. He mentioned that Haarms got beat out by Williams for the starting spot. Any coach would hope that a kid would respond to that by upping their effort to win it back. But not every kid will react that way, especially in Haarms’ situation where he could transfer without a year in street clothes. Peyton Ramsey just did the same thing, and who can blame him?
I give kudos to Painter for being so candid on this subject. It’s always refreshing to hear a coach move beyond the bounds of empty coach-speak platitudes.
I give kudos to Painter for being so candid on this subject. It’s always refreshing to hear a coach move beyond the bounds of empty coach-speak platitudes. I agree with this. Talk to me, no PC silliness. Give credit where it is due.Personally, I found myself nodding a lot during that interview. Yeah, there were a couple comments that smelled a bit like sour grapes regarding Haarms and Eastern. But his general thrust — that most players want to get to the NBA but few are willing to put in the extra work to get there and then conclude that they’ll have a better chance at a different program probably has a lot of hard truth to it. One thing he pointed out was how few transfers end up getting drafted - which is interesting considering the high number of transfers these days.
I suspect most high-level college coaches would at least agree with those general sentiments, leaving aside the specific cases of Haarms and Eastern.
Of course, having a better shot at the pros isn’t always going to be the primary reason somebody transfers. He mentioned that Haarms got beat out by Williams for the starting spot. Any coach would hope that a kid would respond to that by upping their effort to win it back. But not every kid will react that way, especially in Haarms’ situation where he could transfer without a year in street clothes. Peyton Ramsey just did the same thing, and who can blame him?
I give kudos to Painter for being so candid on this subject. It’s always refreshing to hear a coach move beyond the bounds of empty coach-speak platitudes.
I thought CMP was GREAT yesterday.What a piece of trash CMP is. What did he gain by saying those things? Hope it causes pause for future recruits going there. Sure as hell won't inspire any.
Totally agree. Painter has a culture and these guys decided that they weren’t willing to be a part of it. If you listen to what he said, there’s nothing offensive about it. It’s actually pretty refreshing. He won’t pay any price for this.I give kudos to Painter for being so candid on this subject. It’s always refreshing to hear a coach move beyond the bounds of empty coach-speak platitudes. I agree with this. Talk to me, no PC silliness. Give credit where it is due.
I kind of thought so yesterday until I see where Eastern ended up. Painter probably knew what was happening when he spoke to Dakich. I would be pissed too at both Eastern and Michigan. If he went outside the conference that is one thing but what looks like possible tampering since he just went into the portal on Monday makes me think Painter was very polite.What a piece of trash CMP is. What did he gain by saying those things? Hope it causes pause for future recruits going there. Sure as hell won't inspire any.
First of all, Ramsey is not better than Penix. That's ludicrous. Second, the only way we could play NW would be in the conference title game, so I could probably live with that.Look, as a fan of the game sure you can nod your head and agree with everything he said. I have no issue with the coach for even thinking it. It is completely different for him to come out and say it, no less with the audience he had when saying it.
So, let me get this straight, the coach is slamming him for not putting in the work but started him for a good portion of three years and when he wasn't starting he was getting off the bench pretty quick and still getting large minutes. So he is not putting in the work but yet CMP rewards him by giving him the minutes he did? Whose fault is that?
It is total sour grapes on his behalf and there is a reason we don't yet know why these players are transferring. There are ways to be candid and honest without calling out teenagers to early 20's, these are still kids. Kids that he recruited. Kids that he built a relationship with and their families.
As far as Ramsey goes, I feel for that kid because IMO he's better than Penix and don't blame him for transferring. Hope he doesn't show up in a big way and beat us.
Look, as a fan of the game sure you can nod your head and agree with everything he said. I have no issue with the coach for even thinking it. It is completely different for him to come out and say it, no less with the audience he had when saying it.
So, let me get this straight, the coach is slamming him for not putting in the work but started him for a good portion of three years and when he wasn't starting he was getting off the bench pretty quick and still getting large minutes. So he is not putting in the work but yet CMP rewards him by giving him the minutes he did? Whose fault is that?
As far as Ramsey goes, I feel for that kid because IMO he's better than Penix...
I can understand why a coach would be upset because some kids leave. You put a lot of time and effort into these players and then they take off.
Reminds me of when Jason Collier and Luke Recker faxed their intentions to leave to Knight instead of telling him personally. If you have made up your mind to leave their probably is no easy way for you to handle-it doesn't make it right but understandable.My question would be why would not one, but two different seniors leave without even telling their coach ahead of time? Doesn’t say much about the culture.
It’s not really understandable. There’s a clear lack of maturity if you’re not willing to go look the guy in the eye and tell him you’re leaving. We know for sure that both left without telling Painter? If so, that’s cowardly and reflects poorly on the players. Purdue has such a good culture that this can be considered addition by subtraction.Reminds me of when Jason Collier and Luke Recker faxed their intentions to leave to Knight instead of telling him personally. If you have made up your mind to leave their probably is no easy way for you to handle-it doesn't make it right but understandable.
As far as Ramsey goes, I feel for that kid because IMO he's better than Penix and don't blame him for transferring. Hope he doesn't show up in a big way and beat us.
Anyone who ever played a sport has no trouble seeing it.Did Pee-You's good culture start after Kelsey Barlow departed?
It’s not really understandable. There’s a clear lack of maturity if you’re not willing to go look the guy in the eye and tell him you’re leaving. We know for sure that both left without telling Painter? If so, that’s cowardly and reflects poorly on the players. Purdue has such a good culture that this can be considered addition by subtraction.
Provided that he actually spoke with him, then I have no problem with it. Another poster said he left without telling Painter. That would be cowardly, wouldn’t you agree?Kind of tough to look your coach in the eye and tell him when you're quarantined at home multiple hours from campus. By all accounts he texted Painter the night before and said he needed to talk to him the next day and told him then. No easy way to do it given the current climate we're in.
Him and Haarms both told Painter they were leaving, what they didn’t do is discuss it with him before deciding.Provided that he actually spoke with him, then I have no problem with it. Another poster said he left without telling Painter. That would be cowardly, wouldn’t you agree?
Provided that he actually spoke with him, then I have no problem with it. Another poster said he left without telling Painter. That would be cowardly, wouldn’t you agree?
Him and Haarms both told Painter they were leaving, what they didn’t do is discuss it with him before deciding.
And that’s bad form, too. The guy who came to you and offered you a chance to play, on scholarship, in college is entitled to that kind of consideration.Him and Haarms both told Painter they were leaving, what they didn’t do is discuss it with him before deciding.
You can’t call him or spend ten minutes chatting via video? There are ways to do it.Optics are different given the current climate. Students have been on campus for nearly 2 months. There’s not a perfect way of doing this.