I neither shat nor clutched anything. The only people blowing a gasket are you and your fellow MAGABots. The rest of us were having a perfectly fine conversation, including about how the new information changed our perceptions of what happened. Please go back to your cesspool. Thanks.
Nah, you just haughtily proclaimed that the heartland of America is happily raising an entire generation of bigots, based on a snippet of video from an unknown source on an unvetted website.
Yeah, you just can't read, apparently.Nah, you just haughtily proclaimed that the heartland of America is happily raising an entire generation of bigots, based on a snippet of video from an unknown source on an unvetted website.
That seemed measured and reasonable.
This is someone's son. I wonder what his father thinks. I'd be thinking I was a failure.
More people in this very thread have said the opposite of that area. I would think that alone would give you pause, or maybe at least think to yourself “maybe I’m letting my biases cloud my judgement on this”.
I'll let Zeke and Rock defend themselves, but as for me, you're way off. The quote you found from me doesn't remotely claim what I'm being accused of; in fact it explicitly says the opposite.
Indicting college campuses and universities as you try to do above is truly vile and serves as a good reminder that shutting down campuses and closing off debate is at the core of the authoritarian agenda. Just an awful post on your part.
Your post worries about what some people said on campus...but if we are really agreed then our shared concern is about what can't be said.
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I have admitted I was wrong on that, along with nearly the entire nation. You, as a now career .125 hitter after that double want to thump your chest? Have at it. Congratulations.
Nothing I’ve seen or heard has changed my opinion on how the MAGA Hats acted. The only pertinent added information was that the Black Hebrew group acted even worse. If you think kids jumping up and down tomahawking is respectful, that’s your perogative. If you think MagaHats yelling to high school girls about rape and calling them sluts is being responsible , again good for you. The only things that changed my opinion was the added information about the Black Hebrews. Then MagaHats got a good pr firm and somehow turned these poor innocents into saints. My biggest concern from the beginning continues after the information we have received. Where were the adults?
My takeaways from all this.
Wearing a MAGA hat does NOT definitively show that the person is sympathetic to white nationalism. That's a gigantic leap. I have seen black people wearing them, by the way. Only a few personally, but I've seen them in the news now and then - usually because they're being harassed by others for wearing them. You can Google and see this for yourself. Anyway, think these black people are sympathetic to white nationalism? Maybe they're just Trump supporters for whatever reason that might be. While you and I might think they're wrong for supporting Trump, it's entirely unfair to claim that wearing a MAGA had shows that they are "sympathetic to white nationalism."
I am accurately reporting what I think we saw. I have also discussed at great length the biases all of us have and how that might color our different perceptions. You are telling me you think my perceptions are off. How do you know? Because they differ from yours that you take as accurate.
You’re off because it’s wildly off base to make the blanket statement that wearing a MAGA hat shows they are sympathetic to white nationalism. That’s objectively unfair and false.I am accurately reporting what I think we saw. I have also discussed at great length the biases all of us have and how that might color our different perceptions. You are telling me you think my perceptions are off. How do you know? Because they differ from yours that you take as accurate.
On another note...I hadn't expected IU to be unable to score points.
I don't mean to speak for att, but I think you are not understanding him correctly. If he's saying what I think he's saying - and I agree with him if I interpret this correctly - it's not that MAGA hats are indicators that the people wearing them necessarily are sympathetic to white nationalism, but rather that the act of wearing a MAGA hat signals to (some) others that the person holds such sympathies. This signal may or may not be intentional, and it may or may not actually accurately reflect whether those sympathies are present, but I don't think it's even in question that such signalling happens, as the response by so many to the mere fact that these kids were wearing those hats aptly demonstrates.
If sympathy for white nationalism and/or male privilege were a crime I wouldn't convict someone on the basis of wearing a magahat. But if someone is wearing a magahat my best guess about how to interpret that signal is as signal of sympathy for white nationalism and/or male privilege.
You’ve just described stereotyping. Why is it ok to do so in ANY situation?
I think that is helpful...if I am not saying that then perhaps that is what I ought to mean to say. The thing you add is that the wearers know or ought to know that the magahats will be interpreted as sympathy for white nationalism and/or male privilege. That makes the choice to wear the hat more revealing. But, in Aloha's favor, puerile types enjoy being transgressive/rebellious or not "politically correct" as a way to try and establish some individual agency. It might very well be the case that racist and sexist crap isn't really about racism or sexism at all but just developmental acting out. This is age appropriate in 15 year olds too. But behaviorally (meaning from the perspective of those who have to deal with it) it really doesn't matter whether the racism and sexism are the products of puerility or authentic racism and sexism.
