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Vaccine Shaming

The real problem with the unvaccinated are people living in blue cities, that's where we're seeing spikes. The Trumper's living out in the boonies aren't transmitting the virus. The National Review lays this out perfectly.


For example, as of this weekend, 41 percent of New York City residents were not vaccinated. Trump won 22 percent of the vote in NYC.
  • In Chicago, 43 percent of residents are not vaccinated. Trump carried 24 percent of the vote in Cook County.
  • In the city of San Francisco, about a quarter of residents are not vaccinated. Trump carried about 12 percent of the vote in the city last year.
  • In Los Angeles County, just under 30 percent of residents are not vaccinated; Trump won 26.8 percent in 2020.
  • In Maricopa County, Arizona, which includes Phoenix, 52 percent of residents are not vaccinated; Trump won 48 percent of the vote there in 2020.
  • In Harris County, Texas, which includes Houston, about 48 percent are not vaccinated; Trump won 43 percent in that county in 2020.
  • In Philadelphia, Pa., about 37 percent of residents are unvaccinated. Trump won 17.9 percent of the vote there in 2020.
  • In Multnomah County, which includes Portland, Ore., just under 63 percent have at least one dose, meaning that 37 percent are unvaccinated. Trump won under 18 percent in that county in 2020.
  • In Milwaukee County in Wisconsin, 61.6 percent have at least one dose, meaning 38.4 percent are unvaccinated. Trump won 29.4 percent of the vote in 2020.
  • Detroit has vaccinated just under 40 percent of its residents; Trump carried 5 percent of the vote in that city.
As convenient as it would be to lay this all at the feet of Tucker, Trump, etc. The numbers just 'aint there boys.
I think there is a significant flaw to this data / analysis. "Residents" does not equal "Voters".

In particular, "residents" also includes the sub-group of children under the age of 12. For example, from this site (https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data-vaccines.page), yes, 41 percent of New York City is not vaccinated (confirming the author's number), but that is the "all ages" demographic. If you click on the "adults" tab, it drops to 29%. Generally, children under age 12 are going to make up 10 to 15% of the population.

I suspect that is the case in all of the cities that are listed (I'm going out to dinner right now and do not have the time at this moment to check, but I will try later). While this does not necessarily invalidate your conclusion (if we really want to play the blame-game, we would need to have full data of those who voted in the last election and know their vaccination percentages), I suspect that it puts a damper on your assumption that it is an equal percentage of Republicans versus Democrats.
 
that's certainly how a blinkard would see it

That is how a normal person would see it when someone acts like anything that doesn't agree with their viewpoint is invalid.

I am sure if you liked the results of the poll, then you wouldn't care as much about not knowing all the details. When multiple polls come up with the same result, it is likely to be a good estimation.
 
Current COVID risk map:


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That is how a normal person would see it when someone acts like anything that doesn't agree with their viewpoint is invalid.

I am sure if you liked the results of the poll, then you wouldn't care as much about not knowing all the details. When multiple polls come up with the same result, it is likely to be a good estimation.
Polls predicated on incomplete data are absurd - and that’s without factoring in the endless variables that question their validity. That a “scientist” posts them is even more comical
 
I specifically mentioned who uses that type of term (are you a 20 or 30 something Twitter idiot?) and I would agree it is an offensive term. As far as not allowed here, lol. Search the word and you get 7 pages of hits where it is used. TMP is one poster in particular who is extremely fond of it.

As far as who you called stupid (or less smart) I will let your posts and subtext speak for you on that.

By the way, the CDC is ordering everyone (including the vaccinated) to mask up indoors again. Stuff like that is detrimental to the argument to get the vaccine.


Walensky should be fired and banned from future public discussions about this pandemic. The amount of harm and spreading so much baseless fearmongering as was done yesterday is ridiculous.

She took the worst claims from anti-vaxxers and suggested they were plausible under some misguided notion of scaring people into vaccinations. Her comments yesterday will have the exact opposite effect and are infuriating to those who have been trying to fight against misinformation.

Not saying I always agree with him, but you can't tell me that our whole approach wouldn't be a 1000 times better if we had put Scott Gotlieb in charge of the Covid-19 response and messaging.
 
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So it appears at least one of the studies the CDC used to justify their guidance was rejected by a peer review and was based on a vaccine not even used in the United States. Brilliant stuff.

I'm sure they will take care of that rejected status.

I looked at the India study. It's based on 100 (??) healthcare workers in India using a vaccine not approved in the U.S.

Even worse, the study doesn't even say what they claimed. It compares viral loads between variants, not against unvaccinated.

They used this to justify the claim that vaccinated people can have viral loads exceeding those of unvaccinated.
 
We should compare that to the electoral college map. Curious what similarities we would see.
Last weeks data was posted in another thread and the maps are nearly identical. I unfortunately don’t have the time to look for it right now.

Draw your own conclusions.
 

here is a link to the study
 
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"CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said recent studies had shown that those vaccinated individuals who do become infected with Covid have just as much viral load as the unvaccinated"

This is insane. This quote was on NBC News and will be passed around by every anti-Vax person on social media. The study it is based on does not include any unvaccinated subjects....


Citation 96 in their guidance, only study they cite to defend that point

"Studies from India with vaccines not authorized for use in the United States have noted relatively high viral loads and larger cluster sizes associated with infections with Delta, regardless of vaccination status."
 
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Fauci made the same claim about viral loads, which is sourced to a study that doesn't support it. Congress should drag him and Walensky in front of them and make them cite exactly what study justifies the claim.
 
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Fauci made the same claim about viral loads, which is sourced to a study that doesn't support it. Congress should drag him and Walensky in front of them and make them cite exactly what study justifies the claim.
I'm getting the impression that Delta is different in kind as well as quality. It's almost as if we were dealing with a new virus.
 
I'm getting the impression that Delta is different in kind as well as quality. It's almost as if we were dealing with a new virus.
The study that is cited doesn't justify their claim.
Some of us at work and on this site have called out and corrected vaccine skeptics on our "side". We have tried to correct misinformation. The misinformation from the CDC does so much harm because it validates the vaccine skeptics. Just infuriating.
 
I'm getting the impression that Delta is different in kind as well as quality. It's almost as if we were dealing with a new virus.

To Spartan's point, yes the Delta variant can still get vaccinated people infected, but in the vast majority of cases they are asymptomatic or have very mild symptoms.

See Gottlieb:


Which is LITERALLY one of the two reasons why you should get vaccinated in the first place.
 
We should compare that to the electoral college map. Curious what similarities we would see.
It really is hickorynut . Just coincidence or maybe who made up the map has something to do with it? We know dems would never lie about anything would they.
 
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Show scientific studies indicating that large numbers of people have "died from the jab" or STFU.

You can't, but I'm betting you still won't STFU.
Is there any data anywhere showing numbers of breakthrough cases of people who have already had the virus and have natural immunity? It seems that all the data coming in is on two groups of people. One group being those who have been vaccinated and the other group being those who have not. What about the 34,000,000+ people who have had it? What is their reinfection rate? Are they going to the hospital on reinfections? What is the death rate of reinfection? It seems like this would be good data to know.
 
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The CDC Director is currently among the biggest sources of Covid misinformation in the country.

In the last few days, Walensky suggested:

1) Serious risk of the virus mutating beyond vaccine protection
2) Two out of every twenty vaccinated could get reinfected.
3) Viral loads among vaccinated exceed viral loads among unvaccinated.

All of these are contradicted by public data.

There is no scientific basis for any of those claims. Certainly not substantial evidence to justify a leading public health official to be promoting them.

I really don't understand why more of the media are not finding this to be outrageous.
 
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The CDC Director is currently among the biggest sources of Covid misinformation in the country.

In the last few days, Walensky suggested:

1) Serious risk of the virus mutating beyond vaccine protection
2) Two out of every twenty vaccinated could get reinfected.
3) Viral loads among vaccinated exceed viral loads among unvaccinated.

All of these are contradicted by public data.

There is no scientific basis for any of those claims. Certainly not substantial evidence to justify a leading public health official to be promoting them.

I really don't understand why more of the media are not finding this to be outrageous.
The lies are okay because they know better. This lady let the teachers unions write their own guidance, she’s a complete hack.

If you want to look for a culprit for vaccine hesitancy. How about the idiotic public health officials we’ve been forced to suffer through with the last two administrations.

Eventually people just tune these charlatans out and get on with their lives.
 
The lies are okay because they know better. This lady let the teachers unions write their own guidance, she’s a complete hack.

If you want to look for a culprit for vaccine hesitancy. How about the idiotic public health officials we’ve been forced to suffer through with the last two administrations.

Eventually people just tune these charlatans out and get on with their lives.
Where are the hearings concerning the cdc’s Covid response
 
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The lies are okay because they know better. This lady let the teachers unions write their own guidance, she’s a complete hack.

If you want to look for a culprit for vaccine hesitancy. How about the idiotic public health officials we’ve been forced to suffer through with the last two administrations.

Eventually people just tune these charlatans out and get on with their lives.
Walensky should have "resigned" months ago.

She's been a disaster since the start. CDC has had to release statements contradicting her claims within hours on several occasions. There is no excuse to keep her in that position.
 
Where are the hearings concerning the cdc’s Covid response
The CDC director is currently promoting some of the most baseless anti-vaccine theories as if they are plausible in a backwards attempt to scare people. She's actively misinforming the public and should be forced to resign.
 
Where are the misinformation reporters that spend their time searching Reddit threads and demanding social media bans?

Any concern about a leading public official spreading this nonsense and every outlet repeating it? Have they talked to any virologists to check if it's true?

The media sucks.
 
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To Spartan's point, yes the Delta variant can still get vaccinated people infected, but in the vast majority of cases they are asymptomatic or have very mild symptoms.

See Gottlieb:


Which is LITERALLY one of the two reasons why you should get vaccinated in the first place.
I just want one reporter to send Walensky's claims to Gottlieb or any other leading health official or virologist that has been closely following Covid-19 and ask them if they agree with them or think they are supported by available data.
 
The lies are okay because they know better. This lady let the teachers unions write their own guidance, she’s a complete hack.

If you want to look for a culprit for vaccine hesitancy. How about the idiotic public health officials we’ve been forced to suffer through with the last two administrations.

Eventually people just tune these charlatans out and get on with their lives.

The blow back is coming and it will come hard. Look at Europe and Australia. People are done. The Emperor has no clothes.
 
A younger woman in my wife's office got Covid after refusing to be vaccinated. Pretty nasty case by her own account. Never gave a reason for not being vaccinated. Was just adamant that she didn't want to be vaccinated. She took some time off to escort visiting relatives from California around the city...and yes, she got Covid.

Any way, after being sick, the firm told her not to come un until the following week. No one (all the others, most who were vaccinated) wanted to be around her. There are people with elderly parents and even one person with a parent who is terminally ill. It was as a costly decision for the young woman who had used up all her PTO and sick time. I guess the moral is, the choices you make have consequences. And yes, She told my wife that she now wishes she had been vaccinated.
 
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The blow back is coming and it will come hard. Look at Europe and Australia. People are done. The Emperor has no clothes.
our mask mandate from our moronic county exec lasted a day until the council voted 5-2 to rescind it and the state sued the county. trying to get these kids in masks for schools will lead to immense blowback.
 
Hell, I know people who have had car wrecks after getting the shot.
Those should definitely be counted as vaccine-related since they would be classified as Covid deaths or hospitalizations if they participants had the virus.
 
our mask mandate from our moronic county exec lasted a day until the council voted 5-2 to rescind it and the state sued the county. trying to get these kids in masks for schools will lead to immense blowback.
Our school board walked out last night. They were trying to appoint a new head of the libraries and they were confronted about the sexual content of some of the books. They could not force the conversation where they wanted so they bolted. School starts next Wednesday and they have several parents that are now extremely in tune with what is being taught and enforced at the schools. I expect the fall to get ugly.
 
Covid isn't less dangerous than the flu and elementary schools would just be a petri dish for spreading covid as no young kids can get vaccinated
You are clueless. Kids are at virtually no risk for the virus. My granddaughter has gone to her daycare since before the virus arrived. No kids or teachers wear masks.

There have been 2 instances of a kid even having the virus. The place didn't close down, the rooms were cleaned, and there was no spreading of the virus.

All you have to do is look at the statistics, but morons like you only believe what you're told.

I know it's useless to provide this to you, but you might want to have someone explain it to you:
 
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