US now has the highest number of reported cases of Coronavirus in the World
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Not disputing that we need more tests. Obviously we do. But does anybody really believe China at this point in time? It is like there cases just one dat stopped.
Its called two months lockdown. You cannot leave your building. In cities which do not have a lockdown, they HAVE to wear masks when they are outdoors. LAW.
The economy basically had been in lockdown for over two months. Its starting to flow a bit now.
As I said earlier, they left it too late, the local mayor, provincial authorities fecked up and have paid the price for it.
The longer you wait on containment, the more draconian the measures you need to apply. The degree of the draconian measures is reflective of the delays. People don't seem to have understood what containment is supposed to be. Only fast-tracking into mitigation which is mightly expensive to do.
On that note, here is an article about Kentucky (who took an aggressive approach towards distancing, and under a Democratic governor) vs TN and Indiana who were late for the bus under Republican leadership. TN and IN have 3 times as many Coronavirus cases as Kentucky.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...g-leader-in-flattening-the-curve-on-covid-19/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...g-leader-in-flattening-the-curve-on-covid-19/
Problem is that virus don't recognise state lines, race, political, religious affliction.
Speaking of ... there was a huge Islamic conference in Kuala Lumpur like three weeks ago. Some 20,000 people attended. And you know the rest...
Now that has spread to multiple countries and their respective local clusters. All mosques here have been closed for a few weeks now.
You need to know about tests per thousand in the clusters. The cases are not evenly distributed across the population.
.....i think god has shit on those people enough...they deserve a break once in awhile
Can you catch the coronavirus twice? We don’t know yet
We don’t have enough evidence yet to know if recovering from covid-19 induces immunity, or whether any immunity would give long-lasting protection against the coronavirus
SAY you have caught covid-19 and recovered – are you now immune for life, or could you catch it again? We just don’t know yet.
In February, reports emerged of a woman in Japan who had been given the all-clear after having covid-19 but then tested positive for the SARS-CoV-2 virus a second time. There have also been reports of a man in Japan testing positive after being given the all-clear, and anecdotal cases of second positives have emerged from China, too.
This has raised fears that people may not develop immunity to the virus. This would mean that, until we have an effective vaccine, we could all experience repeated rounds of infection.
But the science is still uncertain. “There is some anecdotal evidence of reinfections, but we really don’t know,” says Ira Longini at the University of Florida. It may be that the tests used were unreliable, which is a problem with tests for other respiratory viruses, says Jeffrey Shaman at Columbia University in New York.
Early signs from small animal experiments are reassuring. A team from the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences in Beijing exposed four rhesus macaques to the virus. A week later, all four were ill with covid-19-like symptoms and had high virus loads. Two weeks later, the macaques had recovered and were confirmed to have antibodies to the virus in their bloodstream.
The researchers then tried to reinfect two of them but failed, which suggests the animals were immune (bioRxiv, doi.org/ggn8r8). “That finding is very encouraging, as it suggests that it is possible to induce protective immunity against the virus,” says Alfredo Garzino-Demo at the University of Maryland School of Medicine.
But that doesn’t necessarily mean long-term immunity. There are other coronaviruses circulating among humans and although they induce immunity, this doesn’t last. “Some other viruses in the coronavirus family, such as those that cause common colds, tend to induce immunity that is relatively short-lived, at around three months,” says Peter Openshaw at Imperial College London.
“Because [the virus] is so new, we do not yet know how long any protection generated through infection will last. We urgently need more research looking at the immune responses of people who have recovered from infection to be sure,” says Openshaw.
Other immunologists agree. “Immunity to SARS-CoV-2 is not yet well understood and we do not know how protective the antibody response will be in the long-term,” says Erica Bickerton at the Pirbright Institute in the UK.
“For ordinary coronavirus infections, you do not get lasting immunity,” says Longini. “You can be infected over and over, and we really don’t know for this novel coronavirus if that’s also true.”
Other infectious disease specialists are more optimistic. “The evidence is increasingly convincing that infection with SARS-CoV-2 leads to an antibody response that is protective. Most likely this protection is for life,” says Martin Hibberd at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine. “Although we need more evidence to be sure of this, people who have recovered are unlikely to be infected with SARS-CoV-2 again.”
We don’t have enough evidence yet to know if recovering from covid-19 induces immunity, or whether any immunity would give long-lasting protection against the coronavirus
SAY you have caught covid-19 and recovered – are you now immune for life, or could you catch it again? We just don’t know yet.
In February, reports emerged of a woman in Japan who had been given the all-clear after having covid-19 but then tested positive for the SARS-CoV-2 virus a second time. There have also been reports of a man in Japan testing positive after being given the all-clear, and anecdotal cases of second positives have emerged from China, too.
This has raised fears that people may not develop immunity to the virus. This would mean that, until we have an effective vaccine, we could all experience repeated rounds of infection.
But the science is still uncertain. “There is some anecdotal evidence of reinfections, but we really don’t know,” says Ira Longini at the University of Florida. It may be that the tests used were unreliable, which is a problem with tests for other respiratory viruses, says Jeffrey Shaman at Columbia University in New York.
Early signs from small animal experiments are reassuring. A team from the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences in Beijing exposed four rhesus macaques to the virus. A week later, all four were ill with covid-19-like symptoms and had high virus loads. Two weeks later, the macaques had recovered and were confirmed to have antibodies to the virus in their bloodstream.
The researchers then tried to reinfect two of them but failed, which suggests the animals were immune (bioRxiv, doi.org/ggn8r8). “That finding is very encouraging, as it suggests that it is possible to induce protective immunity against the virus,” says Alfredo Garzino-Demo at the University of Maryland School of Medicine.
But that doesn’t necessarily mean long-term immunity. There are other coronaviruses circulating among humans and although they induce immunity, this doesn’t last. “Some other viruses in the coronavirus family, such as those that cause common colds, tend to induce immunity that is relatively short-lived, at around three months,” says Peter Openshaw at Imperial College London.
“Because [the virus] is so new, we do not yet know how long any protection generated through infection will last. We urgently need more research looking at the immune responses of people who have recovered from infection to be sure,” says Openshaw.
Other immunologists agree. “Immunity to SARS-CoV-2 is not yet well understood and we do not know how protective the antibody response will be in the long-term,” says Erica Bickerton at the Pirbright Institute in the UK.
“For ordinary coronavirus infections, you do not get lasting immunity,” says Longini. “You can be infected over and over, and we really don’t know for this novel coronavirus if that’s also true.”
Other infectious disease specialists are more optimistic. “The evidence is increasingly convincing that infection with SARS-CoV-2 leads to an antibody response that is protective. Most likely this protection is for life,” says Martin Hibberd at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine. “Although we need more evidence to be sure of this, people who have recovered are unlikely to be infected with SARS-CoV-2 again.”
Have you been to Kentucky? The backwater way they do things does not lead me to think these numbers are correct. My relative who lives near Kentucky lake (very secluded as most of Ky is) is convinced that he, his wife and 12 year old son had the virus 2-3 weeks ago but never were tested and are now fine. All his symptoms match up and he said even his pharmacist (maybe he is an expert, DWS) said it sounds as so.
Point is there are 3 potential cases not reported and I would bet there are many more in Kentucky that fall way under the radar especially if they do not happen in Louisville, Lexington, Covington or Bowling Green.
Brascher has done a great job of promoting himself (kudos to him and his marketing team) through all of this, lets hope when this all clears he can come through with his bold promise to restore the teachers pension and get all teachers in Kentucky a raise? Should be interesting.
Well your previous governor was calling the current governor “chicken little” when he closed the schools. Your state and it’s citizens are is much better hands with this self-promoting Democrat as opposed to the nutter you had.
And the inbred are elected. The House is having to fly back because of one Republican from Kentucky.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinnati.com/amp/2924579001
Well since I don't live there I guess that works. My point (until you turned it into something it wasn't which I'm seeing is pretty common when you comment) was that I don't think Kentucky's numbers should be held as complete truth and to compare them to Indiana is not the best comparison. I have no idea about Tennessee so I won't comment there. The previous Governor made some last minute mistakes in the campaign that cost him, along with a promise from the existing Governor that eventually turned the tide. I don't mind Brascher, but then again he has zero bearing on me, I hope he works out for Kentucky as nothing has the past several decades whether being ran by Dems or Republicans.
The state of Kentucky has run a deficit for years and years so I don't anticipate that to change. If Illinois wasn't in such a shambles then Kentucky might get more press about its budget and such here in the Midwest, that is my opinion.
That's nice.... and he's dragging the entire House back to Washington just so he can do so? Fk him. What a piece of human excrement
Read your post. You were taking an angle. I pushed back.
I guess I misconstrued where you lived. I incorrectly assumed you were from Kentucky. My apologies.
I think the bill should pass so I'm not defending him. On the other hand, surely the house knew there would be legislation to vote on.
They planned to just do a voice vote...as long as nobody objected...... they sent almost all home after several House members tested positive. This is total nonsense by a 1st rate asshole.... he's got a GOP primary opponent that is going to wake up flush with cash tomorrow. Trump even blasting him on Twitter and wants him expelled from the party.
You're way to defensive of your political side. I honestly have zero angle with the state of Kentucky it sucks no matter who is in charge.
I couldn't tell you what either Bevin or Brasher look like in a line-up. I have read that Brasher's is coming front and center every night at 5pm (couldn't validate this one way or another as I don't watch our local TV stations) which is a great marketing scheme. The Republican mayor at the closest city I live to, does the same thing and it is well know he does it to be front and center and loves the attention. Brasher is no different, many Governors and individuals with political influence have made great decisions during this and do not get on TV nightly.
I hope Brasher does a great job, I live close enough to Louisville and have friends who's kids teach in Jefferson County so I'm on their side. Like I said I hope Brasher can deliver on his promise, for the teachers sake and his come time for re-election.
He's essentially the Rand Paul of the House. Once again I'm not defending this move as I think it's not the correct thing to do.
That being said, I would just as soon have Massie keep his seat.
He's a grandstanding piece of shit. Donated to his primary challenger this morning.
According to what I saw on MSNBC, Nancy has a bulletproof workaround in place, so it's just going to delay things for minutes. But his threat to object to the initial call for unanimous consent has forced enough House members to travel to DC to make up a quorum, endangering themselves and all they come into close proximity to.
Just announced that it passed. A quorum call was asked for, the count was sufficient, and it was immediately passed via voice vote. (At least I think that's what I caught them saying.)
He's was basically told to STFU in the most bipartisan manner ever. He should next be stripped of all committee assignments and relegated to basement toilet duty.
Had it been a Democrat, I think Nancy would have done just that. Not sure if McCarthy will have to stones to bring down the hammer that hard.
It's hard to imagine how someone, no matter how "principled", would be willing to literally endanger lives by pulling that kind of stunt. He needs to be shunned and reviled by every one of his House colleagues.
China does not have shit under control.
If they did, there would be no need to shut down cinemas and there would be no reason that anyone would want to block people from Hubei Province (home of Wuhan) from entering their province.
The only thing the Chinese government has a hold on is propaganda and lies. Nothing new for them.
Have you been to Tennessee? I don’t think it’s all that different from Kentucky. Tennessee has a larger population, but their population density is almost identical to Kentucky. 16th (Tennessee) vs 18th (Kentucky). That’s why it’s a pretty decent apples to apples comparison. They’re also numbers 10 and 9 on the worst states in which to live (Indiana is #6), so again. Alabama is #1, naturally.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/11/americas-10-worst-states-to-live-in-2017.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/11/americas-10-worst-states-to-live-in-2017.html
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I have been to Tennessee but didn't pay much attention to the population density, I'm assuming their density is strictly because of the Eastern part of the state.
I live very close to KY (overlooking the Ohio), I can't image those rankings to be too correct, many from Jefferson Co are moving over to Indiana to get away from the higher cost of living (Louisville is stupid high for real estate) as well as the pathetic public school system. I can tell you I would never move to Kentucky over where I reside.
That article might help alleviate the feelings which drive your demand for more tests.
Why would we not want to test more sick people?
Many communities don’t have tests available to test persons who should be tested. We have no idea how many people have Coronavirus. Without knowledge we can’t make good decisions.
China says it has had only one new domestic case in 3 days.
Why would we believe this?
You would have to believe the number that China is reporting. Put me down as saying they are not being truthful.
I don't know why we care at this point. We should be focused on doing the right thing to protect the people here, not whining about China's government.
Yah man. I am not even sure they are real. Paid Asian looking actors running around the country. I swear they looked more Muslim the last time I saw it on TV.
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