Tucker Carlson 1/6 tapes
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TL/DR. In practice it basically is Andrew Breitbart's "**** you. War."
I frequent many conservative bloggers and media and have for 2 decades now. They have always tsked tsked the behavior we saw at Stanford recently where the conservative judge was shouted down or the college students basically rioting because Charlie Kirk showed up at their school. If we would have an example of "conservatives gone wild" they would argue that "we are above that" and that we can't act like the left acts. Why? Because they (correctly) believed that was a terrible way to have civic disagreement. I think there was always this hope that if the high road was taken that the left would see that we are agreeable blokes and they would moderate. They thought that the reasonable left would be interested in maintaining civilization and that they would want these people punished like the right has generally moved to punish "conservatives gone wild". They haven't. They have gotten worse.
The poor behavior is institutionalized. At Stanford the DEI admin provided moral and logistical support to the hecklers veto. In the Summer of Love, Democratic politicians verbally supported and called for monetary support of people rioting across the country. They were springing their bail. "Progressive" prosecutors won't prosecute gun crimes, theft, robbery, etc. let alone the black clad assholes who show up to vandalize, harass, attack, etc. whenever something does not go their way politically.
I believe this occurs because there are no similar repercussions to the left. So what does this look like in my opinion? MAD. They show up to shout down and intimidate at colleges. They get punched in the mouth. They show up to block people with pepper spray and umbrellas. The right brings a bat. They drop a Planned Parenthood in your neighborhood or city and you don't like it, well, see what the people Garland can't find to prosecute did to crisis pregnancy centers. And if you are a conservative prosecutor, you treat them like the people labeled "antifa" get treated when they are arrested. Slap on the wrist and back out on the streets to cause more havoc the next time they are needed.
And I fully agree that this in insanity but I don't believe that a major portion of the political left takes any of those things seriously because it never touches them. The conservative movement is generally not made of people who want to rock the boat and get in trouble. There is a small? but significant, vocal, and physical segment of the left that is willing to engage in that behavior regularly. Because of their willingness to become intimidating and violent, they chase conservatives out of areas we absolutely need to be making arguments in. We have asked nicely for decades for the "reasonable" left to police their own. They haven't. We should stop being nice until such point where we can ALL be reasonable again.
So in effect, I would love to see a portion of the right develop that operates exactly like the political action and antifa groups on the left. Then when some boilerplate left leaning speaker gets run out of a speaking engagement I can say how terrible that was and then not care one iota that nothing was done about it because I don't agree with that speaker anyway. Kind of like the type of lefties who post on this board do when they talk about, "Well I never said I didn't want them to get in trouble, they should be prosecuted or something...." Yep, totally agree and I will prioritize fixing the level of discourse just like they all have for 20 or 30 years.
We shouldn't be trying to convince people like this anymore. We should be kicking their ass.
They aren't what I am looking for. Too much racial overtones. I am looking for more of the "Punch a Socialist" type and it can't be a one summer thing. It has to be widespread and regularly occurring.
Every left leaning speaker that shows up on a college campus should face what conservative speakers do.
And the thing is, I agree with you that it is totally insane but it happens almost every other weekend on one college campus or another and the insanity is just accepted. You don't give a flying **** that Ben Shapiro or Charlie Kirk have people riot when they show up on a college campus to speak. It is just the norm. Their speech is violence to some of the people who ally with you politically. You wouldn't do that behavior but Charlie Kirk is an asshole, so meh.
So that is all I want. People on the right who are the exact equivalent of those lefty groups. Not any racial elements, strictly along the lines of your politics suck. The words you use are literally violence. And therefore any violence used to shut your voice down is completely legitimate.
"Bash a fash" (which they got to define) should be met with "sock a sosh" (which we also get to define).
And you know that the point I am making is true. There is an accepted level of violence on the left that is ingrained into the movement and is expected, tolerated, coddled, and accepted and despite incidences of "conservatives behaving badly" those groups come no where close to the size and activeness of their counterparts on the left.
Actually, I do, and it's unfair of you to proclaim I don't. I think these protesters are wrong-headed and demeaning the entire purpose of an institute of higher education.
But I also care that you get to feel superior by dismissing the bad guys on your side because "it's too racial" or whatever. It is too racial, but that's part of what you guys have going on right now. You want us to deal with our assholes? Deal with yours, too.
Or....the left starts to take seriously the idea that the way these idiots act is wrong enough that there should be left based peer pressure to shut them down.
You know, the polite return to discourse that most of the right has been requesting for decades now. I don't actually think what I suggested is a reasonable way to approach discourse, but enough people on the left do to make it something I see regularly. And if that is the case, the right is stupid to allow that hecklers veto to be a one way street.
I've been in jails but not as an inmate.
I've also spent considerable time in a psychiatric hospital, but not as a patient. I had a manual labor job in a psychiatric facility one summer when I was 18. I grew up more that summer than in my first 17 years combined. Some of the stuff is forever seared in my memory. I could write a book. I know things are much better today.
I don’t know anything about that study but, as a demographic, Twitter users tend to skew younger and more liberal. That’s always been the case and that was my point. If you want to believe they post more conservative stuff or that Twitter is steering everyone in a conservative direction, that’s on you.You may want to re-think that (see below), at least with respect to Twitter. Lol indeed.
From the Penn source:
"Most of the sources being shared on Twitter as [progressive] events unfolded lead to right-leaning domains. You don't have an equivalent on the left. And it's not only about number of messages containing URLs; that's one measure we use, showing that there are more URLs pointing to right-leaning domains. It is also about engagement. Users reacted more frequently to right-leaning sources."
From the IU source:
"In this era of political polarization, many accuse online social media platforms such as Twitter of liberal bias, intentionally favoring and amplifying liberal content and users while suppressing other political content. But a new Indiana University study finds this is not the case. Political biases, the researchers found, stem from the social interactions of our accounts - - we receive content closely aligned with whatever our online friends produce, especially our very first online friends. Also, political biases on Twitter favor conservative content."
We see it here. The vast majority of Twitter content posted here is from the far-right. As discussed in these articles, it tends to be low-credibility content. There are others who post here who don't provide Twitter links but it's clear they're singing from the same song sheet, are heavily influenced by social media and are exposed primarily or even solely to content that simply affirms their biases. As the IU study reflects, "Online influence is affected by the echo-chamber characteristics of the social network. Drifters following more partisan news sources received more politically aligned followers, becoming embedded in denser echo chambers. To avoid getting stuck in online echo chambers, users must make extra efforts to moderate the content they consume and the social ties they form . . ." It's probably way too late for some of our friends here.
Twitter gives conservative news greater visibility than liberal content | Penn Today
This bias held even in the context of a social justice movement with left-leaning goals, according to research from Sandra González-Bailón of the Annenberg School for Communication and colleagues.penntoday.upenn.edu
Bias on Twitter comes from users, not platform, says IU study
IU researchers deploy neutral social bots on Twitter to probe biases emerging from platform mechanisms versus user interactions.research.impact.iu.edu
10 percent of Twitter users create 92 percent of the tweets.
Of that 10 percent, 69 percent identify as democrat/lean democrat while only 26 percent identify as republican/lean republican.
I didn't say anything about shooting. He sure as hell quit kicking on my door. Cops knowing people are armed definitely slows them down. Just look at Christopher Dorner or the kill dozer guy.
I wouldn't call it stealing. The unit and garrison commanders that sided with the south simply kept what was under their command. Things aren't as secure as you would think. There is also a shitload of military surplus out there. It wouldn't be that hard to aquire stuff.
How many times were you mistaken for a patient ?
Every day. I'm kind of a Randle McMurphy guy. I think of you as more of a Martini type. (Look it up).
Not necessary as I read Ken Kesey's book. Did you ever think of checking yourself in ?
Thank God for Google - - right, dude?! After you actually read the book, you should watch the movie. Nicholson and Louise Fletcher were amazing. And Danny DeVito, long before Jersey Mike's, was great as Martini.
I left you with an easy layup and your threw up an air ball. When I said "I'm kind of a Randle McMurphy guy," you should have responded with "before or after the lobotomy?" Much more clever than your lame comeback. But, hey, @DANC liked it - - the guy who insists he doesn't read my posts. Too funny.
Poor baby, you didn't even know who is Ken Kesey was that's what set you back on your heels. You just watched a movie and yes there was a book.
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