Ha ha ha ha. The next post you make with any details, facts, and support will be your first. Vegas has it 75-1 that it will never happen because if you look for facts you might discover how wrong you are.
Trump CNN round table thread
- Thread starter UncleMark
- Start date
You mean this?
"A King Tide is a higher-than-normal tide that typically lasts about 3 hours. King Tides occur annually and predictably; in September through November in Miami. King Tides may cause residents to experience "sunny day flooding" where a street or other areas will temporarily become flooded when it is not raining."
What a load of bollocs. Yeah, Trump is all for appeasement when he called for a strengthened NATO and less European reliance on Russian energy and stopping Nord Stream 2.
Nord Stream 2: Trump approves sanctions on Russia gas pipeline
The Trump administration fears the Nord Stream 2 project will increase Russia's influence in Europe.www.bbc.com
Even better, he just won re-election last year so trump can’t do anything about him.
Huge props to Young on this one. Where many bent the knee out of either fear or stupidity (the Boeberts/MTGs), young is showing himself to be a leader and able to think strategically.
This from someone who has not always agreed with Young
He said he didn’t know her. Didn’t say he never met her. How many people over the past 40 years have you bumped into and said a word or two too for a seconds? Probably thousands. Remember them all?Keep in mind, Trump has never met E Jean Carroll!
Hell, I can’t remember the people I went to high school with! People that are against Trump are for Communism and Mob rule.
Young is no profile in courage. He held his tongue regarding Trump last year.
Braun is growing a spine as well. His decision to not run next year has absolutely nothing to do with it.
If America pulled out of NATO while Trump was the so-called president, it would have strengthened NATO.
Will you also worry about cigarettes causing cancer only when you start seeing people drop dead on the sidewalk with a cigarette in their mouth?
A
anon_mya1phvcpf5x4
Guest
He won't care if rich conservatives start selling their beachfront property apparently.
Wrong on both points. News flash - Trump actually was the president. And second, Europe is so fragmented one cannot even call it one cannot even call it a society. Remember that England was okay with Germany only taking over Poland at the beginning of world war II. France fought with the Germans before they didn't. Italy fought with the Germans before they did it. Ireland was neutral for the whole war. Same with Switzerland. Same with Sweden. Same with Denmark. Same with Norway. NATO is kind of like taxes. Everybody is for unless they have to pay for it. But somebody has to pay for it.
Language is still a big barrier in Europe. NATO could crumble if the US was out.
There is a discussion about the president ordering or authorizing. In sending troops to Bama, Kennedy signed Executive ORDER 11111 which says "authorized AND directed".
Authorization is telling someone they CAN do something, they don't have to do anything.
But if Trump wanted them there, when he had the phone call on Jan 5 and plans for Jan 6 were discussed, why did he not question that only 340 were called up and assigned to traffic control, crowd control, and logistics. Even assuming 200 were called to crowd control (they weren't), 200 unarmed guardsmen wouldn't be nearly enough against a much larger, determined force. The media was told in advance what was happening:
www.dvidshub.net
Here is another article from Jan 5 that specifically says 340 guardsmen and lists their duties.
www.popville.com
How did these sites know that 340 guardsmen were all that was appearing but not Trump? Heck, ABC even knew they were unarmed:
abcnews.go.com
If Trump wanted the guard there, when he was told they weren't there why did he not order them there? Pence did:
www.militarytimes.com
Notice the wording, Pence didn't just say "you can go if you want". He said to get down there. That is much more an order than an authorization.
Pence was forced to make the call even after McCarthy called screaming at the President. Again, if Trump wanted the guard there, why wasn't he finding out why his demands were not being followed?
www.cnn.com
To believe Trump, he wanted the Guard there, but somehow missed ALL THE SIGNALS that only 340 unarmed guard for traffic control were going to be sent. On Jan 6, he somehow didn't know the Capitol was under attack and breached or he never bothered to call anyone to find out where his 10,000 guardsmen were. But he managed to tell McCarthy those people just cared more about the election than McCarthy.
His supporters say he was a strong president, if so, wouldn't he be calling people to find out why his demands were not followed? Hours wouldn't have went by under the watch of a strong president who wanted the situation contained to begin with. Instead, at 2:24 he tweeted about Mike Pence not having courage. 24 minutes after the Capitol was breached. Seriously, no one by that time had told him what was happening? He had no news on the TV, or reading news websites?
WHEREAS on June 11, 1963, I issued Proclamation No. 3542, pursuant in part to the provisions of section 334 of Title 10, United States Code; and
WHEREAS the commands contained in that Proclamation have not been obeyed, and the unlawful obstructions of justice and combinations referred to therein continue:
NOW, THEREFORE, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and laws of the United States, including Chapter 15 of Title 10 of the United States Code, particularly sections 332, 333 and 334 thereof, and section 301 of Title 3 of the United States Code, it is hereby ordered as follows:
Section 1.
The Secretary of Defense is authorized and directed to take all appropriate steps to remove obstructions of justice in the State of Alabama, to enforce the laws of the United States within that State, including the orders of the United States District Court for the Northern District of Alabama referred to in the said Proclamation, and to suppress unlawful assemblies, combinations, conspiracies and domestic violence which oppose or obstruct the execution of the laws of the United States or impede the course of justice under those laws within that State.
Sec. 2.
In furtherance of the authorization and direction contained in section 1 hereof, the Secretary of Defense is authorized to use such of the Armed Forces of the United States as he may deem necessary.
Sec. 3.
I hereby authorize and direct the Secretary of Defense to call into the active military service of the United States, as he may deem appropriate to carry out the purposes of this order, any or all of the units of the Army National Guard and of the Air National Guard of the State of Alabama to serve in the active military service of the United States for an indefinite period and until relieved by appropriate orders. In carrying out the provisions of section 1, the Secretary of Defense is authorized to use the units, and members thereof, called into the active military service of the United States pursuant to this section.
Sec. 4.
The Secretary of Defense is authorized to delegate to the Secretary of the Army or the Secretary of the Air Force, or both, any of the authority conferred upon him by this order.
Authorization is telling someone they CAN do something, they don't have to do anything.
But if Trump wanted them there, when he had the phone call on Jan 5 and plans for Jan 6 were discussed, why did he not question that only 340 were called up and assigned to traffic control, crowd control, and logistics. Even assuming 200 were called to crowd control (they weren't), 200 unarmed guardsmen wouldn't be nearly enough against a much larger, determined force. The media was told in advance what was happening:
D.C. National Guardsmen to provide traffic control and crowd management during D.C. demonstrations
Staff Sgt. Marcus Robinson, mechanic with the 273rd military police company DC national guard, thumbs up a driver in Washington, D.C on January 5, 2021. The District of Columbia National Guard activated several hundred personnel to support the city government during expected demonstrations.
Here is another article from Jan 5 that specifically says 340 guardsmen and lists their duties.
“D.C. National Guardsmen to provide traffic control and crowd management during D.C. demonstrations” - PoPville
Photo by Tech. Sgt. Arthur Wright via District of Columbia National Guard From the D.C. National Guard: "The District of Columbia National Guard (DCNG) is activating several hundred personnel today to support the city government during expected demonstrations this week. Capital guardsmen have...
www.popville.com
Approximately 340 personnel will support the city government Jan. 5 to 7 by providing crowd control at several Metro stations and assist police with street closures at multiple intersections to provide safety in and around pedestrian areas.
Notice that 340 was requested by the Mayor specifically.How did these sites know that 340 guardsmen were all that was appearing but not Trump? Heck, ABC even knew they were unarmed:
DC National Guard activated ahead of protests
The Pentagon has approved the activation of the D.C. National Guard to help local law enforcement ahead of protests.
If Trump wanted the guard there, when he was told they weren't there why did he not order them there? Pence did:
Pence — not Trump — asked Guard troops to help defend Capitol on Jan. 6, panel says
The accusation was among multiple findings from the panel charged with investigating the lead-up and response to the attempted insurrection.
www.militarytimes.com
The statements were backed up with testimony from Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley, who said that Pence told Pentagon leaders to “get the Guard down here, put down this situation."
Notice the wording, Pence didn't just say "you can go if you want". He said to get down there. That is much more an order than an authorization.
Pence was forced to make the call even after McCarthy called screaming at the President. Again, if Trump wanted the guard there, why wasn't he finding out why his demands were not being followed?
New details about Trump-McCarthy shouting match show Trump refused to call off the rioters
In an expletive-laced phone call with House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy while the US Capitol was under attack, then-President Donald Trump said the rioters cared more about the election results than McCarthy did.
www.cnn.com
To believe Trump, he wanted the Guard there, but somehow missed ALL THE SIGNALS that only 340 unarmed guard for traffic control were going to be sent. On Jan 6, he somehow didn't know the Capitol was under attack and breached or he never bothered to call anyone to find out where his 10,000 guardsmen were. But he managed to tell McCarthy those people just cared more about the election than McCarthy.
His supporters say he was a strong president, if so, wouldn't he be calling people to find out why his demands were not followed? Hours wouldn't have went by under the watch of a strong president who wanted the situation contained to begin with. Instead, at 2:24 he tweeted about Mike Pence not having courage. 24 minutes after the Capitol was breached. Seriously, no one by that time had told him what was happening? He had no news on the TV, or reading news websites?
A
anon_6hv78pr714xta
Guest
Can we play this out then? NATO crumbles and we are out of NATO. Russia invades Ukraine. Ukraine fights back. We don't help. What does Russia do then? What do the European nations do? Russia's military would not become stronger or more adept or be supplied with better weaponry if we withdrew, right? So if Russia ever made a move on Poland, for example, what do we see the outcome as?
In other words, maybe we are holding Europe back, like a helicopter parent, by acting as its protector.
I'm not wed to these thoughts. Just wanted to see how they work with your idea that Europe is now fractured.
A
anon_mya1phvcpf5x4
Guest
There is a discussion about the president ordering or authorizing. In sending troops to Bama, Kennedy signed Executive ORDER 11111 which says "authorized AND directed".
WHEREAS on June 11, 1963, I issued Proclamation No. 3542, pursuant in part to the provisions of section 334 of Title 10, United States Code; andWHEREAS the commands contained in that Proclamation have not been obeyed, and the unlawful obstructions of justice and combinations referred to therein continue:NOW, THEREFORE, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and laws of the United States, including Chapter 15 of Title 10 of the United States Code, particularly sections 332, 333 and 334 thereof, and section 301 of Title 3 of the United States Code, it is hereby ordered as follows:
Section 1. The Secretary of Defense is authorized and directed to take all appropriate steps to remove obstructions of justice in the State of Alabama, to enforce the laws of the United States within that State, including the orders of the United States District Court for the Northern District of Alabama referred to in the said Proclamation, and to suppress unlawful assemblies, combinations, conspiracies and domestic violence which oppose or obstruct the execution of the laws of the United States or impede the course of justice under those laws within that State.
Sec. 2. In furtherance of the authorization and direction contained in section 1 hereof, the Secretary of Defense is authorized to use such of the Armed Forces of the United States as he may deem necessary.
Sec. 3. I hereby authorize and direct the Secretary of Defense to call into the active military service of the United States, as he may deem appropriate to carry out the purposes of this order, any or all of the units of the Army National Guard and of the Air National Guard of the State of Alabama to serve in the active military service of the United States for an indefinite period and until relieved by appropriate orders. In carrying out the provisions of section 1, the Secretary of Defense is authorized to use the units, and members thereof, called into the active military service of the United States pursuant to this section.
Sec. 4. The Secretary of Defense is authorized to delegate to the Secretary of the Army or the Secretary of the Air Force, or both, any of the authority conferred upon him by this order.
Authorization is telling someone they CAN do something, they don't have to do anything.
But if Trump wanted them there, when he had the phone call on Jan 5 and plans for Jan 6 were discussed, why did he not question that only 340 were called up and assigned to traffic control, crowd control, and logistics. Even assuming 200 were called to crowd control (they weren't), 200 unarmed guardsmen wouldn't be nearly enough against a much larger, determined force. The media was told in advance what was happening:
D.C. National Guardsmen to provide traffic control and crowd management during D.C. demonstrations
Staff Sgt. Marcus Robinson, mechanic with the 273rd military police company DC national guard, thumbs up a driver in Washington, D.C on January 5, 2021. The District of Columbia National Guard activated several hundred personnel to support the city government during expected demonstrations.
Here is another article from Jan 5 that specifically says 340 guardsmen and lists their duties.
“D.C. National Guardsmen to provide traffic control and crowd management during D.C. demonstrations” - PoPville
Photo by Tech. Sgt. Arthur Wright via District of Columbia National Guard From the D.C. National Guard: "The District of Columbia National Guard (DCNG) is activating several hundred personnel today to support the city government during expected demonstrations this week. Capital guardsmen have...
Approximately 340 personnel will support the city government Jan. 5 to 7 by providing crowd control at several Metro stations and assist police with street closures at multiple intersections to provide safety in and around pedestrian areas.Notice that 340 was requested by the Mayor specifically.
How did these sites know that 340 guardsmen were all that was appearing but not Trump? Heck, ABC even knew they were unarmed:
DC National Guard activated ahead of protests
The Pentagon has approved the activation of the D.C. National Guard to help local law enforcement ahead of protests.
If Trump wanted the guard there, when he was told they weren't there why did he not order them there? Pence did:
Pence — not Trump — asked Guard troops to help defend Capitol on Jan. 6, panel says
The accusation was among multiple findings from the panel charged with investigating the lead-up and response to the attempted insurrection.
The statements were backed up with testimony from Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley, who said that Pence told Pentagon leaders to “get the Guard down here, put down this situation."
Notice the wording, Pence didn't just say "you can go if you want". He said to get down there. That is much more an order than an authorization.
Pence was forced to make the call even after McCarthy called screaming at the President. Again, if Trump wanted the guard there, why wasn't he finding out why his demands were not being followed?
New details about Trump-McCarthy shouting match show Trump refused to call off the rioters
In an expletive-laced phone call with House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy while the US Capitol was under attack, then-President Donald Trump said the rioters cared more about the election results than McCarthy did.
To believe Trump, he wanted the Guard there, but somehow missed ALL THE SIGNALS that only 340 unarmed guard for traffic control were going to be sent. On Jan 6, he somehow didn't know the Capitol was under attack and breached or he never bothered to call anyone to find out where his 10,000 guardsmen were. But he managed to tell McCarthy those people just cared more about the election than McCarthy.
His supporters say he was a strong president, if so, wouldn't he be calling people to find out why his demands were not followed? Hours wouldn't have went by under the watch of a strong president who wanted the situation contained to begin with. Instead, at 2:24 he tweeted about Mike Pence not having courage. 24 minutes after the Capitol was breached. Seriously, no one by that time had told him what was happening? He had no news on the TV, or reading news websites?
They've spent 2 years trying to put lipstick on a pig. Facts don't matter...what you can get your followers to believe is all that matters.
They aren't the ones pushing policies that will increase the costs of living.
No. Not sure how that equates.
How can you take someone who preaches reducing your carbon footprint but lives lavishly seriously?
A
anon_mya1phvcpf5x4
Guest
Yea, those tax breaks for the wealthy have no effect
When kids generations from now ask why the world has gone to shit from climate change, they can say because ignoramuses didn't care.
So are dems to blame for worldwide inflation?
Dems to blame for ukraine war?
I'm sure dems are to blame for pretty much everything under the sun from your viewpoint
Britain was OK with Czeckloslavakia being taken. Poland was the bright line, they declared war 56 hours or so after the invasion after delivering an ultimatum about 48 hours after. That's not bad for any sort of democracy. It takes time to get the wheels moving.
A
anon_mya1phvcpf5x4
Guest
how can we take any conservative politician seriously when they say we shouldn't raise the federal minimum wage while they themselves are making 6 figures
Inflation has many factors.Yea, those tax breaks for the wealthy have no effect
When kids generations from now ask why the world has gone to shit from climate change, they can say because ignoramuses didn't care.
So are dems to blame for worldwide inflation?
Dems to blame for ukraine war?
I'm sure dems are to blame for pretty much everything under the sun from your viewpoint
I think it's pompous for humans to think we significantly affect the climate or that we can change anything. To earth we are parasites. We will go extinct eventually.
A
anon_mya1phvcpf5x4
Guest
If you raise the minimum wage then costs of all goods and services will increase also.how can we take any conservative politician seriously when they say we shouldn't raise the federal minimum wage while they themselves are making 6 figures
Look around, hardy anywhere pays minimum wage anymore. So it really isn't necessary.
What's funny is that I am not arguing Trump called for the riot, planned for the riot, wanted the riot. I am arguing that the US was not prepared and if the president really wanted guardsmen there, they would either be there or generals would be sacked. Neither happened.
I didn't say we didn't affect the world. Pollution of our environment, food and water supply is a problem.
An minor increase in global temp is arguably better and not influenced significantly by human behavior.
A
anon_mya1phvcpf5x4
Guest
When the polar ice caps are melting, damaging storms have gotten worse/more frequent and sea levels have risen, we should be hoping it's not too late to make changes...not closing our eyes and acting like it's no big deal.
It's one thing to favor Trump's policies. Quite another to cheer and clap when Trump called the interviewer "nasty".
MAGA lovers are the lowlifes of the world.
MAGA lovers are the lowlifes of the world.
Storms are weather events not climate.
The volume of water on earth is relatively static. It just changes forms between solid, gas, and liquid. If it all melts then I guess we'll be flooded.
The volume of water on earth is relatively static. It just changes forms between solid, gas, and liquid. If it all melts then I guess we'll be flooded.
A
anon_mya1phvcpf5x4
Guest
Because there's no cause and effect between climate and weather. (sarcasm)
So you would rather spend the billions dealing with flooding... reactive over proactive. got it.
You can't counter order from the McD's by me anymore. Wendy's is talking about using AI to take orders. $15 an hour for those jobs is a tipping point for quite a few places.
I know Aloha and my money is on him between the two of you.
You have some real a$$holes on your team. We have some on my team too but they aren't turning on others on our team.
A
anon_6hv78pr714xta
Guest
The notion of teams in this arena sucks. The notion that there are only two sucks worse. Booo teams in politics.You have some real a$$holes on your team. We have some on my team too but they aren't turning on others on our team.
Ain't nobody turning on nobody. We can question each other without turning. Well at least my side anyway.You have some real a$$holes on your team. We have some on my team too but they aren't turning on others on our team.
This is true, but only by definition.
Agreed. So if the solid water (ice) melts will the oceans be more salty or less?
Similar threads
